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Is the US perceived as weaker under the Obama administration?

Is the US perceived as weaker in influence under Obama?


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I have a feeling you're one of those US Conservatives that would damn him whatever he did. If he determined and achieved the deposition of Assad, you'd condemn him for kow-towing to the Saudis and being a secret AQ supporter.

Not really. I wanted him out of there, like I wanted him out of Libya.
But he stayed-and allowed AQ to kill 4 Americans there as well.
 
Hmm, the day of his election various countries released statements along the lines of "We are pleased to see that we can work with the US again." So yeah, i think GW managed to isolate the country with such polarizing tactics as "You're with us or against us" and "freedom fries."

Kindly link to these, please. Lefty blogs dont count.
 
One thing that I've always wondered about that is that if it was Clinton's fault, Why did G.W. Bush take a dump in his pants when it happened ?

Bush seriously lost it that day, and it's all on tape.


Because his nation was under attack? I dont think he lost it-but lets see whats "on tape". :roll:

Imagine if Al Gore or even worse Obama had been in power. :doh
 
There is a difference between being tough and talking tough. Obama leads through leadership...George W. "Bring it on" Bush was a trash talking cowboy wannabe. The world has much more respect for the US today than they did under the previous administration.

How is Obama leading?

He is punked diplomatically, and even the democrats in congress have difficulty working with him. He leads from behind, piss poorly.
 
Well I have to be careful, don't want to get infracted or receive a warning for using a link that requires a subscription like Time magazine does.

I can swear I provided a link to International Business Times. Let's see how I can do this.

Here's Times magazine original story from April 26, 2012 with a link to the full story for those who are subscribers. -> The Last Days of Osama bin Laden | TIME.com

Here's the link to International Business Times who are subscribers to Time magazine just like Infowars and many other news websites are.

CIA Memo Released: Obama Relied On Admiral Bill McRaven To Kill Bin Laden [TRANSCRIPT]
CIA Memo Released: Obama Relied On Admiral Bill McRaven To Kill Bin Laden [TRANSCRIPT]

Now it you look at IBTimes and Infowars articles posted on 27th of April, they almost look identical.
Each is opinionated.
>" The memo also shows that Obama was not in charge of operation strategy as the mission was being carried out. Panetta noted that the timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven's hands..."<



But the best source are the Navy SEAL's who were on the raid. Their story doesn't even come close to Obama's or the Obama White House story. And what was their biggest concerned ? That they don't like Obama being their CnC and might have helped get Obama reelected.
Why of course a military operation, set in to motion and ordered by the President of the United States of America,(Chief Executive Officer.) would be in the hands of a top brass officer; you wouldn't think that the President is going to be with them to lead would you?

The way infowars had it wrote up, Obama was using Admiral McRaven as a scapegoat; wrong, he was the highly competent leader of that group taking orders from the President to basically stay on the mission. Note:

Memo for the Record - April 29, 2011 10:35 AM.

Received phone call from Tom Donilon who stated that the president made a decision with regard to AC1. The decision is to proceed with the assault. The timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven's hands. The approval is provided on the risk profile presented to the president. Any additional risks are to be brought back to the president for his consideration. The direction is to go in and get Bin Laden and if he is not there, to get out. Those instructions were conveyed to Admiral McRaven at approximately 10:45 a.m.

Leon Panetta, CIA


Points:

1. Point clear in the memo: "If he is not there to get out."
2.Any additional risks are to be brought back to the President for his consideration. (Meaning anything that strays from those orders are to brought to the Chief Executive Officer's attention)

Any military operation that the President is directly involved with or it is just in the military's hands are carried out through something known as orders; it's just the way it has always been handled. No one is trying to hide because they're embarrassed over what they're doing; and, for that overweight blowhard that had the audacity to show one story where there was dishonor involved --just in case it failed--or that the whole thing was just a fabrication, and expect people to see both stories at that site and try to see some kind of credibility in that smut, does not show to well on Mr. Jones' integrity, now does it?

Now in the article you proposed in the above quote, where does it state that President Obama tried to hide behind Admiral McRaven just in case this thing didn't work out right? It seems to me that infowars didn't copy that part down right.

And those Seals? They're selling books. :roll:
 
Why of course a military operation, set in to motion and ordered by the President of the United States of America,(Chief Executive Officer.) would be in the hands of a top brass officer; you wouldn't think that the President is going to be with them to lead would you?

Not Obama, he was on the golf course when the Navy SEAL's were already in the air.

Obama was out of the loop. He was informed that the mission was in process while playing golf.

All you have to do is look at the photo op in the White House situation room. Everyone in the room looks clueless on what was happening including Obama except for Gates and the Air Force officer sitting in the CnC chair in the situation room.

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Not Obama, he was on the golf course when the Navy SEAL's were already in the air.

Obama was out of the loop. He was informed that the mission was in process while playing golf.

All you have to do is look at the photo op in the White House situation room. Everyone in the room looks clueless on what was happening including Obama except for Gates and the Air Force officer sitting in the CnC chair in the situation room.

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Well I guess you must want him to be on that plane personally leading? Seriously? Which one is worse? A President playing golf waiting for the special forces to get to their destination, or the USA being under attack while you keep on reading a book in an elementary school? Puzzled by that?

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Don't worry. You can't be as puzzled as Bush was.
 
Not Obama, he was on the golf course when the Navy SEAL's were already in the air.

Obama was out of the loop. He was informed that the mission was in process while playing golf.

All you have to do is look at the photo op in the White House situation room. Everyone in the room looks clueless on what was happening including Obama except for Gates and the Air Force officer sitting in the CnC chair in the situation room.

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Note how Obama sat in the room. He sure does NOT look like a leader.
 
I'm not sure I'd call that a good interpretation of the data.

The "global medians" chart you posted earlier shows 7% up in approval and 9% down in disapproval from 2008 (Shrub) to 2012 (Obama).

The "Europe medians" chart shows approval 18% up and disapproval 32% down for the same period.
Whatever the British think it's obviously not reflected in the rest of Europe - but what can we expect from a country who jumped in bed with Shrub to go to war on a trumped up charge?

U.S. Leadership Earning Lower Marks Worldwide


So much for "appreciating your disclosure" - more like recognizing your lies and half-truths. :roll:

The more I look, the more derision Obama come under from foreign leaders.

This all the way back in 2009:
“While US President Barack Obama is very intelligent and charismatic, he is “not always at his best when it comes to decisions and efficiency… He has only been elected for two months and has never managed a ministry in his life.” Previous reports including a controversial comment that “Obama is an empty suit.. and has an immature Iranian policy” alledged to have been made by Sarkozy as published in the Israeli publication

Today the liberal press is again touting another marvel in world diplomacy that President Obama shook hands with Venezuelan dictator, Hugo Chavez, who had this to say about President Obama less than a month ago “”He goes and accuses me of exporting terrorism: the least I can say is that he’s a poor ignoramus; he should read and study a little to understand reality”

Is Obama building respect for American leadership or ridicule? Are other world leaders really seeing Obama as a true world leader or do they see him as a manipulatable clown that is always ready to be the first to compromise as he did with the recent lifting of some sanctions on Cuba when there are no guarantees of reciprocal action such as releasing political prisoners. I was always taught that respect is a two-way street.
Do World Leaders Respect Obama?

"manipulatable clown", "always ready to be the first to compromise" Direct quotes from world leaders that's not sounding like respect to me.

In compiling this list I have picked the five presidential addresses by President Obama that represent the antithesis of the kind of leadership that Ronald Reagan demonstrated in confronting the Soviet Empire and winning the Cold War. These are all speeches that show either staggering naïveté or have gone out of their way to apologize for American power or America’s past, humiliating the United States in the process.

Here is my list, in descending order:
  • United Nations General Assembly Speech, New York, September 23, 2009
  • Strasbourg Speech, April 3, 2009
  • Cairo University Speech, June 4, 2009
  • Prague Speech, April 5, 2009
  • National Archives Speech, Washington, DC, May 21, 2009
Barack Obama

Embarrassing speeches in foreign lands in front of foreign leaders. Sure to win respect.

No, I really don't think that Obama is respect in international leadership circles.

As a contrast, not that I'm a Bush supporter other than wanting him to be treated fairly, note the differences as perceived by:
Nile Gardiner is a Washington-based foreign affairs analyst and political commentator. A former aide to Margaret Thatcher, Gardiner has served as a foreign policy adviser to two US presidential campaigns. He appears frequently on American and British television, including Fox News Channel, BBC, and Fox Business Network.
. . . .
I’ve outlined below ten areas where George W. Bush’s international leadership was considerably smarter than that of his successor. As I noted in an article at the end of the Bush presidency, ten or twenty years from now, historians will view Bush's actions on the world stage in a more favourable light. President Bush, like Ronald Reagan, understood that American global leadership rests heavily upon the projection of hard power as well as diplomacy, and the United States can only lead effectively if it is willing to aggressively confront its enemies and defeat them.
  • Bush never apologised for his country
  • Bush identified and confronted evil
  • Bush made the advance of freedom a key component of his agenda
  • Bush defended national sovereignty
  • Bush believed in the Special Relationship
  • Bush cultivated key allies
  • Bush understood the importance of missile defence
  • Bush believed in fighting a global war
  • Bush did not compromise US security
  • Bush did not send mixed messages in the face of the enemy
10 reasons why George W. Bush was a smarter world leader than Barack Obama – Telegraph Blogs

So, no, I really don't think that Obama is respect in international leadership circles.
 
Well I guess you must want him to be on that plane personally leading? Seriously? Which one is worse? A President playing golf waiting for the special forces to get to their destination, or the USA being under attack while you keep on reading a book in an elementary school? Puzzled by that?

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Don't worry. You can't be as puzzled as Bush was.

Why not post the video for all. G.W. Bush wasn't even reading the book. In fact look at the book, it's upside down. His face shows great concern. Now look at Obama's face in the W.H. photo op, he looks clueless. His only concern is getting reelected. He's not even sitting in the chair he's suppose to be sitting in.

Obama never issued an order. Obama just signed off on the raid. That memo is just that, a memo. If you have served in the military you would know what a directive looks like and what an order looks like. They aren't hand written. They all look like they came from a teletype machine. All upper case letters.

Then after the raid, Obama ignored the chain of command for his own political gain. Obama went on national television before the SEAL's could be debriefed and before an "After Action Report" could have been typed up and worked it's way up through there chain of command. Ignoring the chain a command is a big no no from a low ranking private to the Commander in Chief.

FYI:
When dealing with the military, POTUS is the Commander in Chief not the "Chief Executive Officer." Executive Officers in the military chain of command aren't the Commanding Officers. They are usually second in command.

There's the Executive Branch of Government that President Obama is suppose to be responsible for. In the real world if Obama were a CEO in the private sector, the Board of Directors would have fired Obama as CEO for being incompetent, probably around June of 2009.

It's Navy SEAL's, it's an acronym for Sea, Air, and Land. All upper case letters.
 
Note how Obama sat in the room. He sure does NOT look like a leader.

As the photo shows, Obama wasn't even sitting in the commander's chair.

Have you ever been on a Navy warship ? Unless the Navy has been dumbed down, the only person who could ever sit in the Captain's chair on the bridge was the captain.
 
Note how Obama sat in the room. He sure does NOT look like a leader.
He's in the situation room being briefed and he's leaning forward like he's actually paying attention to what's being said. Yes, I can understand where Shrub lovers could misinterpret that. I doubt Georgie Porgie ever paid real attention to anything except his beer or his Bible.
 
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The more I look, the more derision Obama come under from foreign leaders.
Yes, I'm sure you can find a virtually unlimited number of sites taking words out of context to smear the President. Shrub didn't and doesn't need words out of context, he's an idiot and always was an idiot. I'm glad he went slinking back to his village after starting a fake war, turning most of the world against us, and killing the economy in his final act of the play.
 
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Yeah, there's some quality entertainment for you! No doubt you HAD to use The Telegraph twice.

Those "references" are worth 3/3 for being objective and representative of their respective countries ...

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Why not post the video for all. G.W. Bush wasn't even reading the book. In fact look at the book, it's upside down. His face shows great concern. Now look at Obama's face in the W.H. photo op, he looks clueless. His only concern is getting reelected. He's not even sitting in the chair he's suppose to be sitting in.

Obama never issued an order. Obama just signed off on the raid. That memo is just that, a memo. If you have served in the military you would know what a directive looks like and what an order looks like. They aren't hand written. They all look like they came from a teletype machine. All upper case letters.

Then after the raid, Obama ignored the chain of command for his own political gain. Obama went on national television before the SEAL's could be debriefed and before an "After Action Report" could have been typed up and worked it's way up through there chain of command. Ignoring the chain a command is a big no no from a low ranking private to the Commander in Chief.

FYI:
When dealing with the military, POTUS is the Commander in Chief not the "Chief Executive Officer." Executive Officers in the military chain of command aren't the Commanding Officers. They are usually second in command.

There's the Executive Branch of Government that President Obama is suppose to be responsible for. In the real world if Obama were a CEO in the private sector, the Board of Directors would have fired Obama as CEO for being incompetent, probably around June of 2009.

It's Navy SEAL's, it's an acronym for Sea, Air, and Land. All upper case letters.
That's fine. I'll let you continue believing what Alex Jones is spewing. :yawn:
 
Yeah, there's some quality entertainment for you! No doubt you HAD to use The Telegraph twice.

Those "references" are worth 3/3 for being objective and representative of their respective countries ...

:lamo :lamo :lamo

As if one could get any honesty about the topic from the Biased Lame Stream Media.

So your position is that Obama is adored and respected in international leadership? Prove it.
 
As if one could get any honesty about the topic from the Biased Lame Stream Media.

So your position is that Obama is adored and respected in international leadership? Prove it.
Adored? No clue. Respected? One way or another, yes. If nothing else he's the leader of the biggest gorilla on the block.


You've already proved it. You're the one that convinced me with our evidence. - the Gallop poll you, yourself, posted as a reference. And obviously you accept that source or you wouldn't have posted it in the first place. Here, I'll post that reference one more time:

Obama's U.S. Leadership Marks Better Than Bush's | Gallop Poll
 
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As the worlds superpower, this is a question worth being asked.

Internationally are we declining in influence on the world stage?

Do our enemies, rivals, and allies see us as weaker now?

Are we seen as stronger for having Obama as POTUS or are we seen as weaker since Bush's Presidency?

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Yes, we talk of little else.
 
He's in the situation room being briefed and he's leaning forward like he's actually paying attention to what's being said. Yes, I can understand where Shrub lovers could misinterpret that. I doubt Georgie Porgie ever paid real attention to anything except his beer or his Bible.

Its a staged photo-Obama has his own personal photographers take staged photos-and then he releases them to the media if he wants to.
 
As the photo shows, Obama wasn't even sitting in the commander's chair.

Have you ever been on a Navy warship ? Unless the Navy has been dumbed down, the only person who could ever sit in the Captain's chair on the bridge was the captain.

Obama isn't in charge, he leads from behind.
 
Its a staged photo-Obama has his own personal photographers take staged photos-and then he releases them to the media if he wants to.
So first it was a Big Deal because he didn't look right and he was in the wrong chair and so on and so forth.

But now it's a "staged photo" because my explanations are rational?!? I haven't seen a shift that fast since they quit using manual clutches for the drag strip.
That's another 3/3 ... :lamo :lamo :lamo
 
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So first it was a Big Deal because he didn't look right and he was in the wrong chair and so on and so forth.

But now it's a "staged photo" because my explanations are rational?!? I haven't seen a shift that fast since they quit using manual clutches for the drag strip.
That's another 3/3 ... :lamo :lamo :lamo

Everything he puts out is propaganda. What do you think that photo is?

Yes, he's a chump.
 
Everything he puts out is propaganda. What do you think that photo is?

Yes, he's a chump.
You're the one that was going on and on about the photo, not me. You certainly didn't act like it was a "publicity shot" when you posted your first comment about it.


But that's OK, I'm used to rhetoric and direction change from Republican lap dogs.
 
You're the one that was going on and on about the photo, not me. You certainly didn't act like it was a "publicity shot" when you posted your first comment about it.


But that's OK, I'm used to rhetoric and direction change from Republican lap dogs.

He think it paints him in a certain light-probably thinking liberals would see it as a sign of strength or something.
 
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As the worlds superpower, this is a question worth being asked.

Internationally are we declining in influence on the world stage?

Do our enemies, rivals, and allies see us as weaker now?

Are we seen as stronger for having Obama as POTUS or are we seen as weaker since Bush's Presidency?

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With a cowardly ***** like Obama in charge, it is not a perception but an absolute reality. Because it is a reality and not a perception and your question was perception, I had to go with "certainly not".
 
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