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Spousal Rape - Crime of Rape, or Not ?????

Can a man be criminally/legally charged with raping his wife?

  • Yes. Absolutely.

    Votes: 57 71.3%
  • No. Definitely not.

    Votes: 4 5.0%
  • Case-by-case basis. Not that black & white.

    Votes: 17 21.3%
  • Other- please explain

    Votes: 2 2.5%

  • Total voters
    80

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Good news for Virginians living in the 13th district who think that husbands should be allowed to rape their wives: State Senator Richard “Dick” Black has fought for your right to do so. And now he’s running for Congress.

The rabidly conservative Republican was one of the state delegates who argued against criminalizing spousal rape in 2002, asking his fellow assemblymen, “How on earth you could validly get a conviction of a husband-wife rape when they’re living together, sleeping in the same bed, she’s in a nightie, and so forth, there’s no injury, there’s no separation or anything.”

So there it is.

Man and woman are married.

Can a man rape his wife? Can he be charged with the crime of rape? Sentenced and sent to jail?
That kind of rape.

Is there such a thing as spousal rape?

Does no mean no in a marriage?

Or is DICK Black's view reasonable and valid?
 
Rape is rape and no means no. It's as simple as that.

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Dick Black disagrees.

I'm wondering how many out there agree with him.

He's running for public office.

Than I hope that his ignorance is lifted in some sort if nontraumatic way and realizes that he is wrong. Attitudes like his create a pathway for social acceptance of barbarism and physical and emotional harm.

I would ask he volunteer in a woman's anti abuse charity for a while to see what spousal abuse does to people. I have seen it and been part of rescue efforts. It's a heart breaking thing.

Abuse ****s with people's heads.
 
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I remember when this topic was being debated in the '80's.

Rape is rape, and "No" means NO.
 
Any sort of grey area MUST err on the side of caution. If we consider set A to be the set of sexual acts that are clearly consensual, C to be the ones that are clearly nonconsensual, and B to be the ones where it's not clear what the status is, then we must treat the set of acts in set B with the same scorn as those in set C. Trivializing set B is a key component of rape culture.
 
This is kind of a silly question. We know that domestic violence is real. Nobody thinks it should be OK to beat your wife. Rape within a marriage is a form of domestic violence.
 
The huge problem with spousal rape is that the law isn't homogeneous on the subject. Get the law straight and inform people.

But really, if the spouse says no to sex there's the possibility of grounds for divorce (alienation of affection, also considered domestic abuse), depending on how often they say no. Quite simply, rather than steam ahead anyway the path is to talk of course, separate legally if necessary and then divorce.
 
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So there it is.

Man and woman are married.

Can a man rape his wife? Can he be charged with the crime of rape? Sentenced and sent to jail?
That kind of rape.

Is there such a thing as spousal rape?

Does no mean no in a marriage?

Or is DICK Black's view reasonable and valid?

Oh, Jesus. This reminds me of the court ruling that decided that a woman couldn't have been raped because she was wearing jeans. See, removing jeans is really hard, so how could it have been rape if she had to go through the effort of removing her jeans?
 
All non-consensual sex is rape, married or not.
 
So what happens when there's a domestic squabble and she says she got raped even when that wasn't the case? The DNA is going to be there. It will be her word against his and he'll have one hell of a time proving he's innocent.
 
Lots of what ifs here. Technically having sexual contact with someone who is asleep is rape, but waking up to that morning blowjob is a treat for married men, but if one wakes up and objects is it rape?
 
If there's one slogan that doesn't get old or annoying to me, it's the truth that "rape is rape". Not really up for debate, at least not for any decent human being.
 
So what happens when there's a domestic squabble and she says she got raped even when that wasn't the case? The DNA is going to be there. It will be her word against his and he'll have one hell of a time proving he's innocent.

You don't have to prove your innocence though to not be convicted.
 
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So there it is.

Man and woman are married.

Can a man rape his wife? Can he be charged with the crime of rape? Sentenced and sent to jail?
That kind of rape.

Is there such a thing as spousal rape?

Does no mean no in a marriage?

Or is DICK Black's view reasonable and valid?
The thing is, how do you prove it?
 
The same way that you prove any case in court-with evidence.
It's one thing to prove sex occurred, but it's another to prove that the sex was rape. How do you do that?
 
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So there it is.

Man and woman are married.

Can a man rape his wife? Can he be charged with the crime of rape? Sentenced and sent to jail?
That kind of rape.

Is there such a thing as spousal rape?

Does no mean no in a marriage?

Or is DICK Black's view reasonable and valid?




No means no, in or out of marriage.

Anyone who doesn't understand that has a serious problem.
 
If there's one slogan that doesn't get old or annoying to me, it's the truth that "rape is rape". Not really up for debate, at least not for any decent human being.

Well I guess waking up to the without prior consent morning BJ is off the table for you. Relying on slogans is a bit like going through life with blinders on.
 
It's one thing to prove sex occurred, but it's another to prove that the sex was rape. How do you do that?

I'd imagine the same way you prove sex outside of marriage is rape. There are going to be times when it's unprovable, but that's no reason to remove it from being a crime entirely.
 
No means no, in or out of marriage.

Anyone who doesn't understand that has a serious problem.

No :)mrgreen:). It may be part of a game spouses play to keep their marriage fresh. Also, that "no" when said too often in a marriage is actually domestic abuse - called alienation of affection and grounds for divorce.
 
No means no, in or out of marriage.
I think it's clear that everyone here agrees the 'no means no'. The trick is proving to disinterested 3rd parties who weren't there and don't know either person, that 'no' was actually said at all.
 
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