1.) nope never its illogical if you disagree all you have do do is give any factual or supportable logical reasons
2.) wow is right since you cant support something so absurd
1.)Sure can
2.) but who would listen?
3.) already did btw
You get real. a pancake with a number 13 proves what?I googled "13 year old" and this is the image that popped up. You guys really think this kid ought to be walking around downtown with a beer and a pack of smokes? Get real people.
My supportable logic is this. 13 most are able to reproduce correct? Yes we have developed onto a society that coddles and encourages even child behavior well into our 20s. that's crap IMO. How come 200 years ago 10 11 13 was good enough to make this country great and support it, but now it's taboo? cause some educated expert says that's the way it should be? Society has really eaten up this notion that even 18 year old cant take care of themselves let alone 13. I will argue society is ass backwards. 13 is just as capable as 18 of supporting and making decisions, if brought up that you fend for yourself, not relying on others. Laws should also support this.1.) then please proceed
2.) I would glaldly read it
3.) no,you factually have not, not once
the question/request was this:
Please provide FACTS and or SUPPORTABLE logic to back up your claims that 13yrs olds should be treated as adults and are equal to 18yr olds.
I look forward to reading it
My supportable logic is this. 13 most are able to reproduce correct? Yes we have developed onto a society that coddles and encourages even child behavior well into our 20s. that's crap IMO. How come 200 years ago 10 11 13 was good enough to make this country great and support it, but now it's taboo? cause some educated expert says that's the way it should be? Society has really eaten up this notion that even 18 year old cant take care of themselves let alone 13. I will argue society is ass backwards. 13 is just as capable as 18 of supporting and making decisions, if brought up that you fend for yourself, not relying on others. Laws should also support this.
As far as facts, really can't find any, it's all my own personal rationale. why do I really need scientific proof of jack diddly to say a 13 year old can do everything an 18 year old can just as efficiently and effectively if given the proper tools, rather then being treated like little babies.
1.) My supportable logic is this. 13 most are able to reproduce correct? Yes
2.) we have developed onto a society that coddles and encourages even child behavior well into our 20s.
3.) that's crap IMO.
4.) How come 200 years ago 10 11 13 was good enough to make this country great and support it, but now it's taboo?
5.) cause some educated expert says that's the way it should be?
6.) Society has really eaten up this notion that even 18 year old cant take care of themselves let alone 13.
7.) I will argue society is ass backwards.
8.) 13 is just as capable as 18 of supporting and making decisions, if brought up that you fend for yourself, not relying on others.
9.)Laws should also support this.
10.) As far as facts, really can't find any, it's all my own personal rationale.
11.) why do I really need scientific proof of jack diddly to say a 13 year old can do everything an 18 year old can just as efficiently and effectively if given the proper tools, rather then being treated like little babies.
oh really now, why? cause you said so? cause the law says so? makes me giggle
oh really now, why? cause you said so? cause the law says so? makes me giggle
No. Our society is doing everything possible to prevent kids from "growing up too fast". The result of that misguided attitude is that mental adolescence has now been extended well into the 20s and, if anything, the legal adult age should be raised not lowered.
and that is exactly what i am fighting against
I googled "13 year old" and this is the image that popped up. You guys really think this kid ought to be walking around downtown with a beer and a pack of smokes? Get real people.
You get real. a pancake with a number 13 proves what?
thanks for your inputThe ability to reproduce means nothing. An amoeba can reproduce...do you want them driving?
An 8 yr old can do everything an 18 yr old can do just as efficiently and effectively if given...blah blah blah.
You dont come here to 'learn.' I posted several links in the other thread on *adolescent brain development* which you seem to have ignored because you learned nothing......those have nothing to do with reproduction or physical tasks....but they affect ALL behavior and judgement. Not to mention the hormonal changes during those middle teen years, yowza!
I did answer, no to both on orphan and abuse. I guess my idea of logic is different then yours, that is fine1.) reproduction is 100% meaningless to legal adulthood and ability to operate solo in our society
2.) some people do this but again this doesnt make a 13yr old equal to an 18 year old
3.) yes just your opinion that cant be backed up by anything logical or factual so far
4.) Wth? 200 years ago 10yrs olds made america great? false
5.) no because facts, history, education and science made it so and did so before that also
6.) some cant but they should be capable unlike a 13yr old, but again this does nothing to the absurd claim of 14 is the same as 18
7.) you keep saying stuff like this but not actually presenting any argument could you start please
8.) yet no evidence, facts or supportable logic support this claim
9.) no they absolutely should not ever and thankfully it will never happen because people are too smart and educated to make that mistake
10.) correct, why because there arent any and its a rational that cant be supported by any logic or facts
11.) because facts, history, reality, experience and logic all say otherwise
so we are back to square one but at least you admit you have ZERO facts and logic to support your claim just like i said.
also before you never answered my questions, were you an orphan or abused as a child? and now i have a 3rd one, how old are you?
and again these questions are to try and establish logic for your claims since there currently isnt any
We have seen you back up 'your opinion' with exactly that....nothing more than '[be]cause you said so.'
not fighting in that im out there promoting, though I wiuld support less coddling and tough love laws.. but like in this thread, at least trying t express why i feel that way.How?
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so proves nothing either way. That was my pointIt's a pumpkin pie, not a pancake.
It proves:
a) his birthday is on Thanksgiving
b) you are drunk posting and cant recognize that pancakes dont have crusts.
You mean history means nothing. good to know. I don't expect you to agree with me, but try to understand me. People would rather fight me, then at least do that
so proves nothing either way. That was my point
1.)I did answer, no to both on orphan and abuse.
2.)I guess my idea of logic is different then yours, that is fine
I've already mentioned the coddling we do with our children, that in fact can hinder their growth. I do not need scientific evidence to back me up. I'm perfectly OK with arguing my views without them. 13 is a totally logical age IMO. marrying off etc etc. What is marriage exactly? something we invented along the way. Is 13 done developing? No but is enough along to carry them self and provide for them self. Heck yes, easier so in modern days then even 200 years ago. what's preventing it? Society and laws. That's the bottom line. Like I said don't have to agree with it, and really not trying to argue you should. Just stating my viewsYou were ONLY able to connect that to reproduction. Yes, some 13 yr olds can reproduce.
However *historically*....any society where 13 yr olds regularly mated was a tribal society where people lived in familial groups and they were *not on their own.* Even the sick FDLS societies where older men marry 13 yr olds...they have an entire familial network to support them.
*Historically* Western societies were not marrying off 13 yr olds.
Got anything else?
not fighting in that im out there promoting, though I wiuld support less coddling and tough love laws.. but like in this thread, at least trying t express why i feel that way.
AJ that poll is great. It brings up alot more angles than just this discussion...but it kind of comes full circle.
Many people pointed out that it would make 13 yr olds much more vulnerable to sexual abuse and predators...they'd be 'legal.'
So we'd end up with MORE pregnant 13 yr olds...by choice and by force. How could that possibly be good? For them or for society?
1.)I've already mentioned the coddling we do with our children, that in fact can hinder their growth.
2.)I do not need scientific evidence to back me up.
3.) I'm perfectly OK with arguing my views without them.
4.) 13 is a totally logical age IMO. marrying off etc etc.
5.) Is 13 done developing? No but is enough along to carry them self and provide for them self. Heck yes
6.), easier so in modern days then even 200 years ago.
7.) what's preventing it? Society and laws. That's the bottom line.
8.) Like I said don't have to agree with it, and really not trying to argue you should.
9.) Just stating my views