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Is minimum wage a lot?

Assuming a 40 hour work week, is minimum wage a lot?


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Assuming a 40 hour work week, is minimum wage a lot of money?
 
No, but it's not supposed to be. Minimum wage is supposed to be the lowest-end jobs, designed to give high school and college kids who have no real financial responsibilities, the ability to learn a work ethic and gain job skills so they can be promoted to better jobs down the line. They are not intended to raise a family on and anyone who tries to do so is a complete idiot.
 
No, but it's not supposed to be. Minimum wage is supposed to be the lowest-end jobs, designed to give high school and college kids who have no real financial responsibilities, the ability to learn a work ethic and gain job skills so they can be promoted to better jobs down the line. They are not intended to raise a family on and anyone who tries to do so is a complete idiot.
Let's not draw generalizations. Some people who work minimum wage have college degrees, and simply can't apply said degree in the local area. Others have been laid off, forced to work minimum wage to support their family until they find another job opportunity. Some have families who cannot afford to pay for college, and are stuck working minimum wage for several years just to make enough to get started. Others are kicked out of the house by their parents, find themselves with no financial backing for college, and work minimum wage as the only source of income for subsistence. Some work minimum wage because they enjoy the job, very rare, yes. How is anyone trying to raise a family on minimum wage an "idiot"? Asides from assigning the pejorative to them due to the futility of their struggle.
 
Let's not draw generalizations. Some people who work minimum wage have college degrees, and simply can't apply said degree in the local area. Others have been laid off, forced to work minimum wage to support their family until they find another job opportunity. Some have families who cannot afford to pay for college, and are stuck working minimum wage for several years just to make enough to get started. Others are kicked out of the house by their parents, find themselves with no financial backing for college, and work minimum wage as the only source of income for subsistence. Some work minimum wage because they enjoy the job, very rare, yes. How is anyone trying to raise a family on minimum wage an "idiot"? Asides from assigning the pejorative to them due to the futility of their struggle.

If the only job a person who holds degree in virtually anything is minimum wage work, then they made a poor choice on what to get their degree in.

Several of the situations you listed are self-imposed. And who's responsibility would that be?
 
no, but it was never intended for people to start families and live off of. People that have kids while working minimum wage jobs are the idiots.
 
no, but it was never intended for people to start families and live off of. People that have kids while working minimum wage jobs are the idiots.

many of these kids might already have college degrees but cannot find employment because there are no openings.
 
many of these kids might already have college degrees but cannot find employment because there are no openings.

Citation?

How is anyone trying to raise a family on minimum wage an "idiot"?

Not everyone is an idiot, but starting a family before you're financially ready is idiotic. Accepting a minimum wage job but then adopting the opinion that it should, for some reason, pay well enough to earn a living and raise a family… also idiotic.
 
No, but it's not supposed to be. Minimum wage is supposed to be the lowest-end jobs, designed to give high school and college kids who have no real financial responsibilities, the ability to learn a work ethic and gain job skills so they can be promoted to better jobs down the line. They are not intended to raise a family on and anyone who tries to do so is a complete idiot.

What a complete load of horse ****. I often see that lie posted by minimum wage opponents. So I did some looking around.
Minimum wage | LII / Legal Information Institute
The national minimum wage was created by Congress under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) in 1938. Congress enacted this legislation under its Constitutional grant of authority to regulate interstate commerce. FLSA was a comprehensive federal scheme which provided for minimum wages, overtime pay, record keeping requirements, and child labor regulations. The purpose of the minimum wage was to stabilize the post-depression economy and protect the workers in the labor force. The minimum wage was designed to create a minimum standard of living to protect the health and well-being of employees. Others have argued that the primary purpose was to aid the lowest paid of the nation's working population, those who lacked sufficient bargaining power to secure for themselves a minimum subsistence wage.
 
Demanding that minimum wage give you everything you could possibly want is just another symptom - and more proof - of the entitlement system we live in.

Economic liberals can't push themselves forward, so they'd rather pull everyone else back.
 
Let's not draw generalizations. Some people who work minimum wage have college degrees, and simply can't apply said degree in the local area. Others have been laid off, forced to work minimum wage to support their family until they find another job opportunity. Some have families who cannot afford to pay for college, and are stuck working minimum wage for several years just to make enough to get started. Others are kicked out of the house by their parents, find themselves with no financial backing for college, and work minimum wage as the only source of income for subsistence. Some work minimum wage because they enjoy the job, very rare, yes. How is anyone trying to raise a family on minimum wage an "idiot"? Asides from assigning the pejorative to them due to the futility of their struggle.

Aside from assigning any perjoritives, anyone who has a degree and has settled for a minimum wage job while trying to raise a family is, well, and idiot.

No perjoritive intended.
 
Let's not draw generalizations. Some people who work minimum wage have college degrees, and simply can't apply said degree in the local area. Others have been laid off, forced to work minimum wage to support their family until they find another job opportunity. Some have families who cannot afford to pay for college, and are stuck working minimum wage for several years just to make enough to get started. Others are kicked out of the house by their parents, find themselves with no financial backing for college, and work minimum wage as the only source of income for subsistence. Some work minimum wage because they enjoy the job, very rare, yes. How is anyone trying to raise a family on minimum wage an "idiot"? Asides from assigning the pejorative to them due to the futility of their struggle.

Then they should move. People need to make intelligent decisions about what degrees they get. You're just making excuses for people making irresponsible decisions and none of that changes anything. A person doesn't need a college degree to get promoted. Even someone working at Walmart, the liberal's favorite whipping horse, can start off as a minimum wage cashier and get promoted into management from within, completely without a degree. In fact, I think Walmart even helps with college tuition, lots of big companies do, because they want you to better yourself. So why are there so many Walmart cashiers that remain in the same position for years or decades at a time? Whose fault is that? Certainly not Walmart's.

And how are these people idiots? Because people need to be responsible for their own life decisions and not do things they cannot afford. If you cannot afford to have children, you shouldn't have children. If you cannot afford to be married, you should not be married. Just because you want to do a thing doesn't mean it's responsible to do that thing. It's a bit different if you were financially well off, married with children, and then the economy tanked and you were forced to take a lower paying job. I get that. I'm talking about people who have NEVER had a good job, yet acted irresponsibly anyhow.
 
What a complete load of horse ****. I often see that lie posted by minimum wage opponents. So I did some looking around.
Minimum wage | LII / Legal Information Institute
The national minimum wage was created by Congress under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) in 1938. Congress enacted this legislation under its Constitutional grant of authority to regulate interstate commerce. FLSA was a comprehensive federal scheme which provided for minimum wages, overtime pay, record keeping requirements, and child labor regulations. The purpose of the minimum wage was to stabilize the post-depression economy and protect the workers in the labor force. The minimum wage was designed to create a minimum standard of living to protect the health and well-being of employees. Others have argued that the primary purpose was to aid the lowest paid of the nation's working population, those who lacked sufficient bargaining power to secure for themselves a minimum subsistence wage.

Where did any of that alter what I said? Nowhere in there does it mention a living wage. Come on, you're supposed to be a conservative, that means you're supposed to support personal responsibility for one's actions. I just don't see that.
 
No, but it's not supposed to be. Minimum wage is supposed to be the lowest-end jobs, designed to give high school and college kids who have no real financial responsibilities, the ability to learn a work ethic and gain job skills so they can be promoted to better jobs down the line. They are not intended to raise a family on and anyone who tries to do so is a complete idiot.

Anybody who is out of touch with reality is an idiot.
 
Anybody who is out of touch with reality is an idiot.

Certainly, as is anyone who doesn't think they need to be personally and financially responsible for their own lives. We need to live in the real world in a self-sustaining system, regardless of what makes people feel good.
 
anyone who has a degree and has settled for a minimum wage job while trying to raise a family is, well, and idiot.

Accepting a minimum wage job but then adopting the opinion that it should, for some reason, pay well enough to earn a living and raise a family… also idiotic.

People that have kids while working minimum wage jobs are the idiots.

They are not intended to raise a family on and anyone who tries to do so is a complete idiot.

News Flash to all idiots
When people are given the choice between earning $15,080 per year and $50,000 per year they will choose the job paying $50,000 per year. Also nobody has a crystal ball. Nobody knows what the future holds. (There are four exceptions: Cephus, Ocean515, Neomalthusian or Rocketman all know every single thing.) It is possible to make $50,000 for 10 years and then get laid off because the company closed. Making $0 instead of $15,080 just to avoid being labelled an idiot by Cephus, Ocean515, Neomalthusian or Rocketman would be a poor decision.
News Flash to all idiots
 
Assuming a 40 hour work week, is minimum wage a lot of money?
I believe minimum wage in AMERICA is very little money, and we should ask WHY - the cost of everything due to enslavement of the nation by liberals as much as conservatives - in some countries you can live on a minimum wage like a king, and certain class of billionaires are creating these situations so they can profit from the poor.
 
News Flash to all idiots
When people are given the choice between earning $15,080 per year and $50,000 per year will choose the job paying $50,000 per year. Also nobody has a crystal ball. It is possible to make $50,000 for 10 years and then get laid off because the company closed. Making $0 instead of $15,080 just to avoid being labelled an idiot by Cephus, Ocean515, Neomalthusian or Rocket man would be a poor decision.
News Flash to all idiots

Of course, I've said that I'm only addressing people who have never had a decent paying job and have still made irresponsible decisions, not those who got into that position through events beyond their control. But sure, call me an idiot. :roll:
 
Certainly, as is anyone who doesn't think they need to be personally and financially responsible for their own lives. We need to live in the real world in a self-sustaining system, regardless of what makes people feel good.

What does that got to do with the price of beans in China? Just because you make minimum wage, you still have to pay your bills. What the f*** are you talk about? It seems like your desire to hate people has clouded your ability to have a conversation. People making minimum wage buy food, pay rent, pay for electricity, buy gas and pay their car insurance. Are you really as dumb as you are pretending to be? Nobody can possibly be as dumb as you are pretending to be. You must be a super fake.
 
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Let's not draw generalizations. Some people who work minimum wage have college degrees, and simply can't apply said degree in the local area. Others have been laid off, forced to work minimum wage to support their family until they find another job opportunity. Some have families who cannot afford to pay for college, and are stuck working minimum wage for several years just to make enough to get started. Others are kicked out of the house by their parents, find themselves with no financial backing for college, and work minimum wage as the only source of income for subsistence. Some work minimum wage because they enjoy the job, very rare, yes. How is anyone trying to raise a family on minimum wage an "idiot"? Asides from assigning the pejorative to them due to the futility of their struggle.

I too would hardly call them idiots.
Some are in that minimum wage position while in high-school and are learning about work ethic and saving for their first car or trying to help their family out - Awesome life choice.
Some are in that minimum wage position hoping/working/striving to better themselves and find a better paying job - They are making good life choices too.
Some are in that minimum wage position because for whatever economic reason beyond their control, they have lost their job but are hoping/working/striving to find a better job- again, they are making good life choices.
There is a smaller segment who have made poor life choices during their educational years and are expecting someone else to bail them out by forcing employers to subsidize their past poor life choices after real life shows them what idiots they were. This old adage seems appropriate in their case, "Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid".
 
I have no sympathy for fry cooks with liberal arts degrees. They deserve the hellish, abject poverty they get.
 
Where did any of that alter what I said? Nowhere in there does it mention a living wage. .

You are trying to argue that minimum wage was created as some sort of training wage so that people with no financial responsibilities working in real jobs can learn to work in real jobs. If the Fair Labor Standards act was created ten or twenty years ago stupid people could easily buy your argument. However it was created in 1938 as part of the new deal, and most of the adult population back did not go to high school or college. It was created so people can actually live off it and have a better health and well being. Which means the position that it was a training wage for high school kids and college grads is a load of crap.

Come on, you're supposed to be a conservative, that means you're supposed to support personal responsibility for one's actions. I just don't see that

This issue has nothing to do with personal responsibility. It has to do with clearing up a lie that the minimum wage was created as some sort of training wage or the lie that minimum wage jobs are really training jobs.
 
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