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Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

Do you agree with ban on smoking inside cars with children?

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scatt said:
Your claim is that they always follow those steps? That is rather silly to believe.
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No proof is needed, only speculation and conjecture.
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Here are the facts for you. The state actually needs proof to remove a child. Claiming that they don't is absolutely false.
 
Hatuey said:
Here are the facts for you. The state actually needs proof to remove a child. Claiming that they don't is absolutely false.
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They need proof, legally.
 
Hatuey said:
Only that's not true at all. Look at all the steps needed in a liberal state like Michigan...
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Hatuey said:
Yeah - which the state follows. Unless you can show evidence to the contrary.
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The problem is that each case is dealt with by an individual case worker who may or may not follow each step. As Chris said, I'm sure it does vary from state-to-state. However, there are numerous cases where children were removed from their homes and actually died in foster care. One need only google it to find proof of that. Fact is, social workers keep their jobs if there are case loads. There's no incentive to end an investigation.
 
Juanita said:
No, it is a nationwide problem...Legally Kidnapped and Kidjacked are two websites to check out, but there are dozens of others...
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I'm talking about normal situations. These situations you are referring to are certainly not the norm. This is a completely different topic.
 
eohrnberger said:
You have no way of knowing whether the previous owner cracked the window or not. That invalidates your assertion.
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Please see below.

Cardinal said:
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Dragonfly said:
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Just say it. Print it. Post it right out there for all to see.

You thinks it's perfectly safe, 100% harmless, and not in the least bit ignorant or unintelligent to strap a small child into a car seat, get in the car, and light up a cigarette or two while driving around.

You've done this. You do this. You'll continue to do it in the future.
 
Cardinal said:
Why did you put "all" in air quotes?

Which of the health risks mentioned by the CDC do you qualify as hype?

CDC - Overviews of Diseases/Conditions - Campaign Resources - Tips from Former Smokers - Smoking & Tobacco Use

Or how about the Mayo Clinic?

Secondhand smoke: Avoid dangers in the air - Mayo Clinic
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Yeah, and they told us for 40 years that hormone replacement therapy protected women from heart disease and other ailments, but then oops, sorry about that..... Do you want them to ban bacon because there is solid evidence that it contributes to heart disease and strokes? Do you want them to ban sugar because there is solid evidence that it contributes to obesity and diabetes? Government intervention is a slippery slope.....
 
Juanita said:
Yeah, and they told us for 40 years that hormone replacement therapy protected women from heart disease and other ailments, but then oops, sorry about that..... Do you want them to ban bacon because there is solid evidence that it contributes to heart disease and strokes? Do you want them to ban sugar because there is solid evidence that it contributes to obesity and diabetes? Government intervention is a slippery slope.....
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HRT is also linked to ovarian cancer and strokes. Everything has a down side. In any case, it's obvious that more government intervention is not the answer.
 
Cardinal said:
Why did you put "all" in air quotes?

Which of the health risks mentioned by the CDC do you qualify as hype?

CDC - Overviews of Diseases/Conditions - Campaign Resources - Tips from Former Smokers - Smoking & Tobacco Use

Or how about the Mayo Clinic?

Secondhand smoke: Avoid dangers in the air - Mayo Clinic
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Look, I have to go by personal experience and observation...My parents were raised in a smoking household, as was I, my children and my children's children...Nobody has asthma, cancer or a respiratory illness....I take all medical studies with a grain of salt...There are many factors that contribute to such illnesses. Smoking may or may not be "one" of these factors...
 
ChrisL said:
I'm talking about normal situations. These situations you are referring to are certainly not the norm. This is a completely different topic.
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Normal situation? Different topic?
 
Juanita said:
Normal situation? Different topic?
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Yes. Normally children are not removed from the home without some kind of evidence. The scenarios you are talking about are not the normal. I don't know what is going on there, but that is not how it works in my state.
 
ChrisL said:
Yes. Normally children are not removed from the home without some kind of evidence. The scenarios you are talking about are not the normal. I don't know what is going on there, but that is not how it works in my state.
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As I said, this is happening all over the country.. Even spousal abuse is a reason for CPS to take your kids, or a complaint from a teacher, neighbor or family member....It is becoming the norm... They make money on these cases and much more money if and when they can get these kids adopted out...
 
Juanita said:
As I said, this is happening all over the country.. Even spousal abuse is a reason for CPS to take your kids, or a complaint from a teacher, neighbor or family member....It is becoming the norm... They make money on these cases and much more money if and when they can get these kids adopted out...
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I don't know where you're from, but where I'm from, there are steps that have to be taken. They don't just show up at your door and take your child because of a report. A report is only the first step in the process.
 
ChrisL said:
I don't know where you're from, but where I'm from, there are steps that have to be taken. They don't just show up at your door and take your child because of a report. A report is only the first step in the process.
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That is the way it is "supposed" to be for sure... "Child Protective Services False Allegations" I believe is another website about this subject.. Many of the recent cases have been in Oregon, California, Massachusetts, Illinois, Georgia, Texas, Florida and Oklahoma, but most states have such cases...
 
ChrisL said:
I don't know where you're from, but where I'm from, there are steps that have to be taken. They don't just show up at your door and take your child because of a report. A report is only the first step in the process.
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A report is followed by an affidavit, which is all they need...
 
Juanita said:
A report is followed by an affidavit, which is all they need...
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IF they have an emergency order because they believe a child might be in immediate danger, yes.
 
ChrisL said:
IF they have an emergency order because they believe a child might be in immediate danger, yes.
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You are just not getting it....one of so many Americans that are in denial of what is actually happening in this country....Take some time and actually research this problem..CPS has more power than your police dept... I was not talking about emergency orders on an actual case of abuse....
 
scatt said:
You are confusing legality with ability, which is silly.
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Eh, you're forgetting that ability only comes as a result of legality.
 
Hatuey said:
Eh, you're forgetting that ability only comes as a result of legality.
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Except murder is illegal, and the ability is available for almost all.
 
scatt said:
Except murder is illegal, and the ability is available for almost all.
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Yes and there are consequences and statistical evidence showing that murder occurs on a daily basis. Show us statistical evidence that case workers regularly ignore procedure. I'll wait.
 
Juanita said:
Look, I have to go by personal experience and observation...My parents were raised in a smoking household, as was I, my children and my children's children...Nobody has asthma, cancer or a respiratory illness....I take all medical studies with a grain of salt...There are many factors that contribute to such illnesses. Smoking may or may not be "one" of these factors...
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Thanks, but I think I'll take the CDC, Mayo Clinic, National Institute of Health, Surgeon General, National Cancer Institute, American Cancer Society, John Hopkins University, British Medical Journal, the Sloan-Kettering Institute study, and the British Doctors study over your personal experience and observation. See, there's a reason anecdotal evidence isn't a good source for scientific arguments: it's patchy, undisciplined, and your tiny uninvestigated experience in your contained world may have little to do with the whole picture.


Your position in this thread amounts to nothing more than pseudoscience at best, and straight up science denialism at worst (though it looks like a mixture of the two). It's the reliance on anecdotal evidence combined with your distrust of science shown in post 583 that make parents refuse to vaccinate their children.
 
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