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Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

Do you agree with ban on smoking inside cars with children?

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mak2 said:
Of course you guys know more than doctors and stuff. Rationalize it all you want, but why would you take the chance, just on the outside chance all that medical science was right and you was wrong? I mean I know you guys are almost certainly right, and you know so much more than them dumbass doctors, but just on the outside chance they were right and you were wrong, why? Why would you do it?
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Because I can. That's it. No other reason needed. That's why I do. I smoke because I enjoy smoking. I smoke a pipe which in my opinion is worse than a cigar because of the additives in the various flavored tobaccos, but yet when I light it up in my den when I am doing paperwork or watching the tube I seem ATTRACT people there because they LIKE the smell especially children for some reason(It most certainly is not my award winning personality), while when I light up a stogie most people run because they think they stink. Go figure. Anyways I live my life as I choose. If I truly thought that secondhand smoke was something other than bull**** I wouldn't smoke while others were around. I try to be considerate, but on my property and in my vehicles I am king and I do as I please, and smoking pleases me.
 
mak2 said:
If you smoke in the car with kids, you dont give a damn about the kids, law or not.
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No sir. This is demonstrably false.

Many OTHERWISE GOOD PEOPLE do a *few* questionable things, do they not? We are none of us perfect. Does a single flaw make us instantly all bad? Most would say no...

Some Vegans probably say anyone who encourages their child to eat meat is a horrific monster who should never have kids. Does that make it so? Well, they could argue the health benefits... but eating meat doesn't have the social stigma that smoking does... today, the only truly SAFE group to utterly disparage is smokers...

My parents smoked with me in the car as a kid... and I guarantee you they loved me. I have 1000x as much proof of that as I need. That they had feet of clay and a few faults doesn't change that.


Now how about we lay off the ridiculous extremes and talk about this like rational persons instead of knee-jerk zealots....
 
Cardinal said:
Non sequitur.
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Do you even know what that means? You say exposing children to the toxins in cigarette smoke is child abuse (completely hysterical) Therefore, you support a ban. You probably even support CPS removing the child from the parent's custody. Now THAT is a non sequitur.
 
Alyssa said:
Do you even know what that means? You say exposing children to the toxins in cigarette smoke is child abuse (completely hysterical) Therefore, you support a ban. You probably even support CPS removing the child from the parent's custody. Now THAT is a non sequitur.
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I hope I know what it means -- I studied Latin for four years. Your response was "So your answer to people's stupidity is more government involvement?" This doesn't at all address the merits of the case, so yes, it's a non sequitur.
 
Cardinal said:
I hope I know what it means -- I studied Latin for four years. Your response was "So your answer to people's stupidity is more government involvement?" This doesn't at all address the merits of the case, so yes, it's a non sequitur.
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... My response does address your argument as i pointed out in my last post. Sorry you don't follow. . .:cool:
 
Goshin said:
I can sort of see banning it and giving tickets for doing it as not being entirely unreasonable. I mean, I AM a smoker, and *I* would not wish to be stuck in a car with two or three smokers and the windows rolled up.

But calling it child abuse, which makes it a DSS issue and something the kids could theoretically be taken away from the parents and put into the "system" (where 25% suffer sexual abuse in foster care) strikes me as WAYYYY too extreme a reaction.
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This is actually how I feel about it. While I have no issue whatsoever with the tickets/fines for it, it should not be considered child abuse. That would set too much of a stupid precedent. It is ignorant, but not child abuse. And this is a good way to curb it, allowing children a little bit of smokefree air and hopefully a bit healthier lungs, without any threat of the parents losing their children over this.

Besides, this is much more a rights vs rights issue. The right of the child to be able to breathe smokefree air over the right of the parent to smoke in their car while the children are with them. And this one is really not that hard to enforce (other laws and policies already mean police officers are looking inside your car while you are driving), unlike trying to ban smoking in someone's personal home which would be extremely hard to enforce without some serious issues dealing with warrants.
 
Dragonfly said:
Smoking while driving with kids under 8 now illegal in Maryland - NY Daily News


I'm here to say - I can't find fault with this at all, except for wondering why 8 years old is the cut off. Why not 12 or 14? Why 8?

Who here will defend the right of the adult to subject their child to smoke inside a confined space like a car?
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First, I don't smoke...

Is it good parenting to smoke around your kids and their developing lungs? Hell no.

This, however, is the US. If a person wants to be a bad parent and smoke with their kids in the car, it's none of my business. And it's dang sure not the business of the flippin' government. This isn't, to me, the same as requiring seat belts or car seats. This goes too far.

What's next? Making it illegal to fart in a restaurant?

We have too many laws as it is.

No matter how much some would like to see it happen, we cannot legislate personal responsibility or legislate away the consequences of a lack of personal responsibility.
 
Jerry said:
I had to put up with smoking parents. In the house, in the car, etc. I hated it. Smokers will get no sympathy from me.
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Do you have a smoking related cancer? According to the "thinking" of today, everybody born in the 40s, 50s and 60s should be dead already.
 
Juanita said:
Do you have a smoking related cancer? According to the "thinking" of today, everybody born in the 40s, 50s and 60s should be dead already.
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I don't care about cancer. I just didn't like cigarettes.

Farting doesn't cause cancer but I bet you would hate growing up having to tolerate flatulent parents. I have the same aversion to smelly feet, for the same reason. My father would come home, kick his boots off and smell up the whole house. I require my boys to take their shoes off near the door, socks in a very small laundry bin just for socks, and powder their feet. That's only when they eventually take their shoes off, I don't mind shoes in the house normally.

My late grandfather smoked a pipe and I never minded. There's something about cigarettes. And chew....have your cancer if you want it, but I don't want to be around anyone spitting all the time. I would even avoid you if you had some weird medical condition that made you spit.

I'm a dick like that.
 
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Jerry said:
I don't care about cancer. I just didn't like cigarettes.

Farting doesn't cause cancer but I bet you would hate growing up having to tolerate flatulent parents. I have the same aversion to smelly feet, for the same reason. My father would come home, kick his boots off and smell up the whole house. I require my boys to take their shoes off near the door, socks in a very small laundry bin just for socks, and powder their feet. That's only when they eventually take their shoes off, I don't mind shoes in the house normally.

My late grandfather smoked a pipe and I never minded. There's something about cigarettes. And chew....have your cancer if you want it, but I don't want to be around anyone spitting all the time. I would even avoid you if you had some weird medical condition that made you spit.

I'm a dick like that.
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While I do care about cancer and such things, I agree that cigarettes just smell bad, and chew is absolutely disgusting IMO.
 
Cardinal said:
Because everyone here over the age of 16 has cracked a window (or has been a passenger where someone has cracked a window) and it doesn't work.
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You are wrong..It does work, as anybody who smokes next to a cracked window knows...
 
Juanita said:
You are wrong..It does work, as anybody who smokes next to a cracked window knows...
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Personal experience says it works. I hate the smell of stale smoke, and I always crack the window when I smoke in the car.

The low pressure area caused by the air spilling over the side of the front windscreen pulls all the smoke out. Now granted, you have to hold your smoke in your left hand. But no big deal, really.
 
OscarB63 said:
considering all the stupid **** my parents allowed us to do as kids, I'm surprised I lived to adulthood.

smoked around us
let us ride in the car without a seatbelt
let us ride in the back of a pickup truck
ride bikes without wearing shoes or helmets
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But, you "are" alive, aren't you?
 
Cardinal said:
I'll be the first (if I can) to step in and say everyone should have the freedom to do any damn fool thing to their own bodies they want. That's not what this thread is about, though.
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You younguns probably won't acknowledge the fact that people smoked in their cars, with their children for DECADES...We even smoked on airplanes, in restaurants and bars, at the doctor's office, in the hospital and any other place that we dam well pleased.. We have lost these freedoms because of a slippery slope that someone decided to slide down and our other freedoms are flying out the window as we speak... This country has changed so much and is still changing and not for the better....When all is said and done, you will have lost all of your freedoms...
 
Juanita said:
It "is" part of her body, it "is" attached to her body....but that is for another thread...
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Not really. It's attached, but it's a being with it's own life with a developing and growing body.
 
I would agree with such a ban, although I wouldn't mind raising the age a year or two since older children can better decide for themselves. This has nothing to do with the legality of smoking, but the concept of rights - you absolutely have the right to do whatever you want to your own body because you are the only person who is adversely affected by such a behavior. However, you have no right to force others to experience the negative health effects of your behavior just because they happen to be your children.
 
Cardinal said:
Nope, had its own floor to ceiling windows, iphone chargers, the whole nine yards. It was the real deal. The room was so beautiful it made me want to be a smoker myself.
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I think that the airport in St. Louis still has a smoking area...
 
I dont care even a little bit if you smoke. You know good and well I was talking about you smoking with children in the car with you.

You are king so you gonna smoke in your car with your kids, even though it almost certainly causes the kids harm? I hope their respiratory problems PLEASE you. Unbelieveable.
PirateMk1 said:
Because I can. That's it. No other reason needed. That's why I do. I smoke because I enjoy smoking. I smoke a pipe which in my opinion is worse than a cigar because of the additives in the various flavored tobaccos, but yet when I light it up in my den when I am doing paperwork or watching the tube I seem ATTRACT people there because they LIKE the smell especially children for some reason(It most certainly is not my award winning personality), while when I light up a stogie most people run because they think they stink. Go figure. Anyways I live my life as I choose. If I truly thought that secondhand smoke was something other than bull**** I wouldn't smoke while others were around. I try to be considerate, but on my property and in my vehicles I am king and I do as I please, and smoking pleases me.
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If there is even a off chance it harms you kids, why would you do it? You know it might harm them, it is not like letting them play football or some other important life experience, there is no upside to the risk. It is almost certainly harmful to kids. Knee jerk zealots? You are intentionally harming children, and even when it is pointed out to you, you insist on doing it. Yea, that is rational.
Goshin said:
No sir. This is demonstrably false.

Many OTHERWISE GOOD PEOPLE do a *few* questionable things, do they not? We are none of us perfect. Does a single flaw make us instantly all bad? Most would say no...

Some Vegans probably say anyone who encourages their child to eat meat is a horrific monster who should never have kids. Does that make it so? Well, they could argue the health benefits... but eating meat doesn't have the social stigma that smoking does... today, the only truly SAFE group to utterly disparage is smokers...

My parents smoked with me in the car as a kid... and I guarantee you they loved me. I have 1000x as much proof of that as I need. That they had feet of clay and a few faults doesn't change that.


Now how about we lay off the ridiculous extremes and talk about this like rational persons instead of knee-jerk zealots....
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Juanita said:
You younguns probably won't acknowledge the fact that people smoked in their cars, with their children for DECADES...We even smoked on airplanes, in restaurants and bars, at the doctor's office, in the hospital and any other place that we dam well pleased.. We have lost these freedoms
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And thank Christ for that.

It is not deadly to everyone, so perhaps there are other factors involved.
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Sure, we all knew a guy who knew a guy who lived to a hundred and smoked three packs of cigarettes a day, but it's not exactly the norm. The fact is a person's genetics can give some people near-Wolverine levels of resistance to disease in certain cases. But the science has been in for years: cigarette smoke is a known, deadly carcinogen. This isn't up for debate. If you deny this then you're denying science.

Juanita said:
You are wrong..It does work, as anybody who smokes next to a cracked window knows...
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A common fantasy of smokers. No non-smoker in the car would agree with that.
 
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