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Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

Do you agree with ban on smoking inside cars with children?

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ocean515 said:
The conversion of a plant via heat has been deemed hazardous. The conversion of food via heat, or which plants are considered food, could very well be considered hazardous. Any attempt to dodge such a real possiblity only serves to underline your desire to protect the agenda while shutting your eyes to reality.

That is your choice, and evidence of a willingness by many to ignore the real slippery slope that has been entered on to.
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Only if we stray hopelessly from the topic. Facts:

a)cigarette smoke is a known carcinogen with links to numerous health problems (including death)
b)opening a window does not actually prevent cigarette smoke from entering the entire vehicle, as any smoker or passenger already well knows.
c)children have extremely limited powers in preventing parents from smoking. Sure, they can ask the parent to stop smoking, but if the parent insists then the child is crap out of luck.

The rest of this thread has been amusing navel gazing, but the above is what's important. As I said earlier, we don't need to bring the slippery slope into this since the ban can be defended on its own merits.
 
tacomancer said:
Wow. The smoking rooms in the atlanta airport look like a 70s party. Its a super smokey room, except it doesnt smell as good as a 70s party would.
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Unfortunately I've been exposed to 70's porn, and am having a difficult time connecting "70's party" with any positive imagery.
 
ocean515 said:
The conversion of a plant via heat has been deemed hazardous. The conversion of food via heat, or which plants are considered food, could very well be considered hazardous. Any attempt to dodge such a real possiblity only serves to underline your desire to protect the agenda while shutting your eyes to reality.

That is your choice, and evidence of a willingness by many to ignore the real slippery slope that has been entered on to.
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I agree, it would be a bad idea to light your steak on fire and breathe in the fumes.

Of course, applying heat to both plant and meat ... all I can say is mmm broccoli, steak, and cheese sauce :D
 
Cardinal said:
Slippery slope arguments are irrelevant here since this ban can be defended on its own merits.
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^ that argument has been used to justify all sorts of breaches in liberty. If people need the government to hold their hand, keeping them safe and raising their kids for them.. this republic is already on its way out the door.
 
I can sort of see banning it and giving tickets for doing it as not being entirely unreasonable. I mean, I AM a smoker, and *I* would not wish to be stuck in a car with two or three smokers and the windows rolled up.

But calling it child abuse, which makes it a DSS issue and something the kids could theoretically be taken away from the parents and put into the "system" (where 25% suffer sexual abuse in foster care) strikes me as WAYYYY too extreme a reaction.
 
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Cardinal, Scatt... this isn't going anywhere good, so let's head it off before someone gets gigged...
 
Goshin said:
I can sort of see banning it and giving tickets for doing it as not being entirely unreasonable. I mean, I AM a smoker, and *I* would not wish to be stuck in a car with two or three smokers and the windows rolled up.

But calling it child abuse, which makes it a DSS issue and something the kids could theoretically be taken away from the parents and put into the "system" (where 25% suffer sexual abuse in foster care) strikes me as WAYYYY too extreme a reaction.
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I don't think anyone would argue that murder and sexual abuse aren't scarier, more immediate threats, but long term and potentially deadly health risks via cigarette smoke vs. a 25% chance of sexual abuse is an utterly morbid choice.
 
Cardinal said:
That works. You could also exhale away from the kids while smoking in the car.
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Exactly... Exhale out the ****ing window you cracked open.


It was goddamn 2 degrees out today. I had no children in my truck on the way to work. I had my window rolled down a bit and was exhaling out the window.

My truck only smells like ash because I keep an ashtray instead of being an inconsiderate prick and throwing my cigarette butts on the ground out the window.
 
If you smoke in the car with kids, you dont give a damn about the kids, law or not.
Caine said:
Exactly... Exhale out the ****ing window you cracked open.


It was goddamn 2 degrees out today. I had no children in my truck on the way to work. I had my window rolled down a bit and was exhaling out the window.

My truck only smells like ash because I keep an ashtray instead of being an inconsiderate prick and throwing my cigarette butts on the ground out the window.
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Cardinal said:
I don't think anyone would argue that murder and sexual abuse aren't scarier, more immediate threats, but long term and potentially deadly health risks via cigarette smoke vs. a 25% chance of sexual abuse is an utterly morbid choice.
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Personally, having been a child stuffed in a car with smoking adults, I'd take that risk several hundred times over rather than having been torn from my family and put in the foster care system.
 
mak2 said:
If you smoke in the car with kids, you dont give a damn about the kids, law or not.
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You know this isn't true at all.

ONE ACT does not prove whether someone cares about their kids or not.
 
I see a lot of people wanting the government to supplement childcare for inept parents. They seem incapable of realizing that liberty excludes security to a large degree. yes, without a smoking ban, some nimrod will expose a child to secondhand smoke in a car and some wouldn't even bother to roll down the window. Imo, those ****ing morons should be eliminated from the gene pool. However, I don't support yet MORE laws to protect people from stupidity. It's guaranteed, these laws will not stop with No smoking in the car. Besides, society can't even prevent child sexual abuse. How's about we end child sexual exploitation, murder, and folks not paying child support. Then maybe after we've solved child hunger, we can worry about second hand smoke.
 
Yes, it is. Why would you smoke with a child in the car if you knew it might cause them respiratory problems. Why the hell would you do that?
Caine said:
You know this isn't true at all.

ONE ACT does not prove whether someone cares about their kids or not.
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Dragonfly said:
Take some Windex cleaner and a white paper towel and go clean the inside windows in a smoker car.

Tar and nicotine go everywhere regardless of a "cracked" window.

It's grossly disgusting.

Subjecting small children to a very confined space, and a cancerous airborne substance is borderline abusive.

This isn't about YOUR right to smoke, it'a about small childrens rights to not be subjected to YOUR smoke.

Would you hand your small child a cigarette and allow them to smoke it?
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Children are property just like my dog or cat. I smoke my cigars in my cigar smoking pickup with my dogs and children kin on occasion, children and dogs and cats can handle smoking on occasion just fine with NO ill effects.

My parents smoked, their parents smoked, and their parents before them. Everyone turned out perfectly fine including me, I smoke cigars on occasion. My lungs are perfectly normal much to the chagrin of my physician. By the way second hand smoke has NEVER been proven to be demonstrably directly harmful in any meaningful study. Secondhand smoke as you call it is severely diluted in logarithmic fashion the farther one is from the source of the smoke. Further DIRECTLY inhaling the smoke undiluted takes on the order of decades ie 30 plus years continuously to become dangerous in the form of cancer, though lung capacity becomes more limited over time due to damage from direct inhalation.
 
mak2 said:
Yes, it is. Why would you smoke with a child in the car if you knew it might cause them respiratory problems. Why the hell would you do that?
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Why would you do anything if it MIGHT result in something bad?

The effects of second hand smoke, especially for limited periods of time (aka 2-4 times PER MONTH), are extremely wayyyyyyy overblown.

And, there isn't a damned way to prove whether it was second hand smoke, or many of the other hundreds of thousands of chemicals breathed in due to normal air pollution.


Im not a knee jerk reactionist...... We quit smoking in the house when our first was born and never smoke another cigarette in the house again... because that is a constant exposure. But im sorry, exposure is going to happen. If anything Im better preparing my kids' bodies to deal with limited exposure to this stuff than for them to go off to college and get sick. Thats how I look at it.
 
Of course you guys know more than doctors and stuff. Rationalize it all you want, but why would you take the chance, just on the outside chance all that medical science was right and you was wrong? I mean I know you guys are almost certainly right, and you know so much more than them dumbass doctors, but just on the outside chance they were right and you were wrong, why? Why would you do it?
Caine said:
Why would you do anything if it MIGHT result in something bad?

The effects of second hand smoke, especially for limited periods of time (aka 2-4 times PER MONTH), are extremely wayyyyyyy overblown.

And, there isn't a damned way to prove whether it was second hand smoke, or many of the other hundreds of thousands of chemicals breathed in due to normal air pollution.


Im not a knee jerk reactionist...... We quit smoking in the house when our first was born and never smoke another cigarette in the house again... because that is a constant exposure. But im sorry, exposure is going to happen. If anything Im better preparing my kids' bodies to deal with limited exposure to this stuff than for them to go off to college and get sick. Thats how I look at it.
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PirateMk1 said:
I call bull****.
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Caine said:
Why would you do anything if it MIGHT result in something bad?

The effects of second hand smoke, especially for limited periods of time (aka 2-4 times PER MONTH), are extremely wayyyyyyy overblown.

And, there isn't a damned way to prove whether it was second hand smoke, or many of the other hundreds of thousands of chemicals breathed in due to normal air pollution.


Im not a knee jerk reactionist...... We quit smoking in the house when our first was born and never smoke another cigarette in the house again... because that is a constant exposure. But im sorry, exposure is going to happen. If anything Im better preparing my kids' bodies to deal with limited exposure to this stuff than for them to go off to college and get sick. Thats how I look at it.
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What?? Exposing children to cigarette smoke isn't the same as exposing them to simple viruses at an early age thus building their immunity. Toxic exposure is cumulative and leads to numerous health problems.

I don't know what you've been reading, but exposing your kids to toxins doesn't make them stronger.
 
One should not have to have this discussion with an adult. I am going to bed.
Cardinal said:
What?? Exposing children to cigarette smoke isn't the same as exposing them to simple viruses at an early age thus building their immunity. Toxic exposure is cumulative and leads to numerous health problems.
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Cardinal said:
What?? Exposing children to cigarette smoke isn't the same as exposing them to simple viruses at an early age thus building their immunity. Toxic exposure is cumulative and leads to numerous health problems.

I don't know what you've been reading, but exposing your kids to toxins doesn't make them stronger.
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So your answer to people's stupidity is more government involvement?
 
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