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Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

Do you agree with ban on smoking inside cars with children?


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Please detail exactly what "control" you've "lost" regarding this ban?

You do realize that every ban takes away control from the people and puts that control in the hands of the state, right?
 
Yes. Just as car seat laws greatly reduced the amount of children/babies riding unrestrained in the car. I know for a fact that those like my father would not smoke in his car and drive if he was worried about breaking a law and possibly being fined for it. He might be upset about it, but he would still obey the law. And this is how a lot of people are.

Yup, they don't want to be thrown in jail or have their property stolen. That is kind of why coercion works. Duh.
 
If I rolled my eyes as much as that statement required they'd pop out of my sockets.

Ask them to explain the orange/yellow crap that's all over the inside of car. :roll: That is getting into baby's lungs!
 
Ask them to explain the orange/yellow crap that's all over the inside of car. :roll: That is getting into baby's lungs!

No no no, you see, the venturi effect gets rid of that.
 
My thinking exactly.

Just how much government intervention and interdiction in our lives are we suppose to tolerate? Gotta draw a line someplace that the government can't cross.

Meanwhile, in California, I think it's illegal to smoke in your own backyard. So much for your house being your castle.

Obamacare will make everything the govt want to make illegal, illegal. They will control everything that happens in your home under the guise of healthcare.
 
Obamacare will make everything the govt want to make illegal, illegal. They will control everything that happens in your home under the guise of healthcare.

Yes, they should totally make a sequel to Braveheart based on this new law.
 
Smoking while driving with kids under 8 now illegal in Maryland - NY Daily News


I'm here to say - I can't find fault with this at all, except for wondering why 8 years old is the cut off. Why not 12 or 14? Why 8?

Who here will defend the right of the adult to subject their child to smoke inside a confined space like a car?
The cutoff age should be when the person has reached an age where they are no longer obligated (ethically, socially, by force of law) to obey their parents, whatever that age is in their state.

Then they cannot be compelled to be in the car with the smoking parent, and if they choose to be in the car with the smoking parent, it's on them.

For a similar reason, a similar "in the presence of" law should also apply to adult use of alcohol and drugs.
 
Obamacare will make everything the govt want to make illegal, illegal. They will control everything that happens in your home under the guise of healthcare.

Yes, I know. One of the primary reasons for my position of opposition to it. Far too much government control and potential abuse of power.
 
So you are stating that wind blowing by a slightly open window does not create a vacuum?

I'm stating that you pulled the first science-y sounding phrase you found off the internet and thought it would sound persuasive (spoiler alert: it wasn't very persuasive).
 
I'm stating that you pulled the first science-y sounding phrase you found off the internet and thought it would sound persuasive (spoiler alert: it wasn't very persuasive).

How do you know that I am not science-y, and in fact did not turn to the web.

Hmm?
 
Does the argument behind this work in the home?
 
I'm not saying you should be able to smoke anywhere and everywhere, but a car is private property. That's only a step away from saying you can't smoke in your house.

Not legal to smoke in your own home has already been accomplished in parts of California.

Slippery slope meets black abyss.
 
Only a mobile home.

While it's mobile, of course.

No, I mean the argument that states the child has no choice to be around the smoke. Wouldn't that argument work just about anywhere?
 
How do you know that I am not science-y, and in fact did not turn to the web.

Hmm?

Because everyone here over the age of 16 has cracked a window (or has been a passenger where someone has cracked a window) and it doesn't work.
 
Not legal to smoke in your own home has already been accomplished in parts of California.

Slippery slope meets black abyss.

If I recall it's because the smoke will travel throughout the house and the kid has no choice but to be in the home. That is essentially the same argument being made here. The smoke is traveling around the car and the kid has no choice but to be in the car. There is no doubt it is the same argument.
 
Because everyone here over the age of 16 has cracked a window (or has been a passenger where someone has cracked a window) and it doesn't work.

I know we never cracked our windows in LA in the '60s. The smog would burn you to temporary blindness. Perhaps that is your problem.
 
.would someone... Please... Think of the children!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
.would someone... Please... Think of the children!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The ironic thing is I don't even have kids (and never will).
 
Because I know people and the point of laws, particularly laws such as this. The point is deterrence.

Except you don't know there will be less, you hope there will be.
 
I know we never cracked our windows in LA in the '60s. The smog would burn you to temporary blindness. Perhaps that is your problem.

But wouldn't the venturi effect just get rid of all the smog too? I mean, just look at these equations...

venturi effect.jpg
 
Except you don't know there will be less, you hope there will be.

Congratulations, you just argued against the existence of laws.
 
Are there really people who would defend their right to smoke in a small closed environment with children? I cant beleive someone would really want to do it to start with, but defend it?
 
Are there really people who would defend their right to smoke in a small closed environment with children? I cant beleive someone would really want to do it to start with, but defend it?

Minivans and SUVs aren't exactly confined spaces. Put the kids in the back of the Excursion and smoke way up there in the front.
 
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