• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

Do you agree with ban on smoking inside cars with children?


  • Total voters
    84
Cigarettes have hundreds of different chemicals, some of which are carcinogenic. Pollution from a surrounding industrial area could contain hundreds of thousands of chemicals of all different types. What that pollution settles on an area and the weather systems cannot move that pollution out, that baby is breathing in those thousands of chemicals every minute of every day for years, not just car trips. Common sense tells me polluted cities like LA can cause much worse symptoms since it's in the air the child breaths every day all day - inside our out.

No more children eight and under breathing the LA air! :)
 
Odd how we are so quick to crack down on Tobacco, and yet the movement is in favor of marijuana.

In the meantime, in defense of honesty and consistency, let me know when the banners agree that we also need to ban children below the age of 8 from living in Los Angeles.

Why did you address this post to me? I didn't say anything about banning. I said laws would not work and it's too bad there are so many dumbasses around.
 
When I was growing up, everyone smoked. The deacons at church went outside to smoke between Sunday School and the worship service. Doctors smoked... IN the examination room with their patients. Including my childhood doctor. Teachers smoked. There was a student smoking area at my Jr High and High schools.


Everybody frigging smoked, all the time. I guess it is no wonder I started at age 13... I've often said it was "in self-defense".


I remember riding in a Buick with my parents, two sisters and their husbands... all of them smoking. I was probably 6 or 7. It was cold, but I complained so much about the cloud of smoke in the car that they cracked the window a little for me, and I literally stuck my nose out of it trying to get a breath of fresh air. I didn't care that my nose was turning blue from the cold. It was suffocating in that car full of smoke.

I remember resenting that the adults would not listen to me, that they were choking me to death.


Well, that was then. We (collective we) knew smoking wasn't good for you, but we didn't know HOW bad it was, and there wasn't the societal anathema on it that exists today.


I'm kind of torn on the issue. On the one hand I don't like gov't intrusion into private property or child rearing in any but very serious matters. OTOH I remember being a little kid thinking I was going to choke riding in a closed car full of smoking adults.


Here's the thing: if it is one person smoking, with the window rolled down... that's one thing. Really, no big deal except for the anti-smoking fanatics.

Multiple smokers with the windows rolled up.... that's a miserable thing to inflict on anybody, especially kids who lack the ability to MAKE someone roll down the damn window.


So I dunno... exercising a little common sense courtesy would go a long way...
 
I think many smokers are god damned selfish morons who are too stupid to know what they're doing to themselves and too pig-headed and arrogant to understand what they may be doing to others.

I grew up with a smoking father. Cigars and pipes. I smoked as a late teen and early 20-something.

Then I quit for good.

I wonder how may people here objecting to this new ban are parents of small children, or just smokers without kids who are getting more and more butt-hurt over the growing public objection to their deadly and filthy habit?

I'm a smoker with children. never smoked in the car, never smoked in the house, never smoked in front of my children (until they were adults). and like I said, there are many other stupid things that parents do that we should be worrying about. smoking in the car with the kiddies is way down on the list. but, of course, smoking is an easy target
 
No more children eight and under breathing the LA air! :)

A person cannot do anything about that. That is why this is a stupid comparison. They CAN not smoke in the car when their children are present, unless they just don't care and smoking is MORE important than their child's/children's health. My point being that it's too bad we have to even discuss having such dumb laws because people are such morons.
 
I think many smokers are god damned selfish morons who are too stupid to know what they're doing to themselves and too pig-headed and arrogant to understand what they may be doing to others.

I grew up with a smoking father. Cigars and pipes. I smoked as a late teen and early 20-something.

Then I quit for good.

I wonder how may people here objecting to this new ban are parents of small children, or just smokers without kids who are getting more and more butt-hurt over the growing public objection to their deadly and filthy habit?

I hear ya man, ex-anything people can get on the stump and preach it.
 
Why did you address this post to me?

Because I was trying to hit "reply" and accidentally hit "reply with quote". :) Sorry for pinging you - I went back and changed it once I realized the error.
 
I look at it this way - if you want to kill yourself, who am I to stop you.
If you want to take your children with you, then we have a problem.
Do you have proof that second hand smoke kills children?
 
No more children eight and under breathing the LA air! :)

Parents Must Leave L.A. Or Face Fines And Eventually Imprisonment.

We Are From The Government And We Are Here To Help.
 
When I was growing up, everyone smoked. The deacons at church went outside to smoke between Sunday School and the worship service. Doctors smoked... IN the examination room with their patients. Including my childhood doctor. Teachers smoked. There was a student smoking area at my Jr High and High schools.


Everybody frigging smoked, all the time. I guess it is no wonder I started at age 13... I've often said it was "in self-defense".


I remember riding in a Buick with my parents, two sisters and their husbands... all of them smoking. I was probably 6 or 7. It was cold, but I complained so much about the cloud of smoke in the car that they cracked the window a little for me, and I literally stuck my nose out of it trying to get a breath of fresh air. I didn't care that my nose was turning blue from the cold. It was suffocating in that car full of smoke.

I remember resenting that the adults would not listen to me, that they were choking me to death.


Well, that was then. We (collective we) knew smoking wasn't good for you, but we didn't know HOW bad it was, and there wasn't the societal anathema on it that exists today.


I'm kind of torn on the issue. On the one hand I don't like gov't intrusion into private property or child rearing in any but very serious matters. OTOH I remember being a little kid thinking I was going to choke riding in a closed car full of smoking adults.


Here's the thing: if it is one person smoking, with the window rolled down... that's one thing. Really, no big deal except for the anti-smoking fanatics.

Multiple smokers with the windows rolled up.... that's a miserable thing to inflict on anybody, especially kids who lack the ability to MAKE someone roll down the damn window.


So I dunno... exercising a little common sense courtesy would go a long way...

Yep, I didn't even like that scenario as a smoker!
 
I like this ban but, people ought to have sense enough to do it on their own.

NOW HOW ABOUT FRIGGING TEXTING?????
 
A person cannot do anything about that. That is why this is a stupid comparison. They CAN not smoke in the car when their children are present, unless they just don't care and smoking is MORE important than their child's/children's health. My point being that it's too bad we have to even discuss having such dumb laws because people are such morons.

I don't disagree, I was just being cheeky, sorry.
 
Do you have proof that second hand smoke kills children?

Ever see that sticky orange stuff running down the walls in the house of a smoker when there's some humidity? Ever move a picture and look at the orange stained walls? I would think that also gets into your body. Do you think that's healthy for a baby's tiny little lungs?
 
When I was growing up, everyone smoked. The deacons at church went outside to smoke between Sunday School and the worship service. Doctors smoked... IN the examination room with their patients. Including my childhood doctor. Teachers smoked. There was a student smoking area at my Jr High and High schools.


Everybody frigging smoked, all the time. I guess it is no wonder I started at age 13... I've often said it was "in self-defense".


I remember riding in a Buick with my parents, two sisters and their husbands... all of them smoking. I was probably 6 or 7. It was cold, but I complained so much about the cloud of smoke in the car that they cracked the window a little for me, and I literally stuck my nose out of it trying to get a breath of fresh air. I didn't care that my nose was turning blue from the cold. It was suffocating in that car full of smoke.

I remember resenting that the adults would not listen to me, that they were choking me to death.


Well, that was then. We (collective we) knew smoking wasn't good for you, but we didn't know HOW bad it was, and there wasn't the societal anathema on it that exists today.


I'm kind of torn on the issue. On the one hand I don't like gov't intrusion into private property or child rearing in any but very serious matters. OTOH I remember being a little kid thinking I was going to choke riding in a closed car full of smoking adults.


Here's the thing: if it is one person smoking, with the window rolled down... that's one thing. Really, no big deal except for the anti-smoking fanatics.

Multiple smokers with the windows rolled up.... that's a miserable thing to inflict on anybody, especially kids who lack the ability to MAKE someone roll down the damn window.


So I dunno... exercising a little common sense courtesy would go a long way...

what's odd is that "back in the day" almost everyone smoked and yet the number of people dying from cancer was actually lower per capita

Smoking Down, Lung Cancer Up | Frank Davis

In the United States, cigarette sales topped in 1981, with 636 billion cigarettes. While cigarette consumption has almost dropped to half of this figure, the same cannot be said of lung cancer. Lung cancer does not seem to mind whether people smoke or not.
 
I like this ban but, people ought to have sense enough to do it on their own.

NOW HOW ABOUT FRIGGING TEXTING?????

Starting to see more and more anti-texting billboards in the area. They tend to be very witty. An ambulance, lights on, blazing down the road and the caption says, "don't want these guys responding to your text".
 
A person cannot do anything about that. That is why this is a stupid comparison. They CAN not smoke in the car when their children are present, unless they just don't care and smoking is MORE important than their child's/children's health. My point being that it's too bad we have to even discuss having such dumb laws because people are such morons.

the govt shouldn't be in the business of policing stupidity
 
what's odd is that "back in the day" almost everyone smoked and yet the number of people dying from cancer was actually lower per capita

Smoking Down, Lung Cancer Up | Frank Davis

I don't know about actual lung cancer, but I do know that there is a correlation between cigarettes and other types of lung disease, such as emphysema, chronic bronchitis, chronic pneumonia, and other respiratory illness. They have never been able to make the case that cigarettes actually cause lung cancer, but I'm sure it doesn't help either.
 
I like this ban but, people ought to have sense enough to do it on their own.

NOW HOW ABOUT FRIGGING TEXTING?????

In an odd way, banning texting in cars sometimes give incentive for even more dangerous in-car texting. Young people apparently haven't heard of having their smartphones dial friends and family.
 
the govt shouldn't be in the business of policing stupidity

AGAIN, I never said they should. I said it's too bad people are so dumb that we would even have to discuss such a law.
 
Ever see that sticky orange stuff running down the walls in the house of a smoker when there's some humidity? Ever move a picture and look at the orange stained walls? I would think that also gets into your body. Do you think that's healthy for a baby's tiny little lungs?
Of course not. But I also think the baby would protest very loudly if the smoke was enough to be significant.
 
what's odd is that "back in the day" almost everyone smoked and yet the number of people dying from cancer was actually lower per capita

Smoking Down, Lung Cancer Up | Frank Davis


There are other things besides lung cancer. Both of my parents died of emphysema. Dad quit smoking at 50, lived to be 79. Mom never quit, lived to be 81. Something will get you eventually... but I think both could have lived another 5-10 yrs and enjoyed a better quality of life if they'd never smoked.

And yeah, I'm 48 now and I still struggle with it. I'm trying the e-cig thing in my latest efforts to quit the real deal. I wish I'd never lit the first one too.
 
Of course not. But I also think the baby would protest very loudly if the smoke was enough to be significant.

I don't think that is always the case. Just because the baby isn't crying doesn't mean that the smoke isn't causing damage.
 
I don't know about actual lung cancer, but I do know that there is a correlation between cigarettes and other types of lung disease, such as emphysema, chronic bronchitis, chronic pneumonia, and other respiratory illness. They have never been able to make the case that cigarettes actually cause lung cancer, but I'm sure it doesn't help either.

true and I'm not saying smoking is a good idea, I just think that if we start making some stupid crap illegal then it won't be long before they start wanting to make any and everything that "might" be bad for you illegal. (FWIW, in several places they have already tried)
 
Back
Top Bottom