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Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

Do you agree with ban on smoking inside cars with children?

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Bodhisattva said:
You are making a claim. A claim that I disagree with... I know what I know. If you know more then you shove that **** down my throat with evidence... to not do so is to admit defeat. If you can't... have a nice day and remain you...
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Kidjacked
Legally Kidnapped
Child Protective Services-CPS-False Accusations
Fight CPS.com
 
Removable Mind said:
There is no panacea in any state agencies, which are charged with managing abandoned, abused, and neglected kids. It cost between 2000.00 to 5000.00 a month (per child) for the state to place kids who are not considered to be "special needs". Those children can cost a state 10.000 a month and up.

Most CPS agencies are working on a shoestring budget. Caseworkers might carry 50 plus kids. They work endless hours. They are significantly underpaid. The burnout rate is like 3 years. The paperwork produced on each kid per month is beyond belief.

My point is that there is no conspiracy at work here by agencies to abduct kids and make sure that their lives are miserable. What possible motive do you suspect is at play according to your claim?

Being under CPS manage is the last place kids need to be...granted.

But I assure you that I've seen many, many, many abusive, neglect, etc parents lie their asses off in court. We live in a world where not all things are equal by any stretch of the imagination. My role in representing children was to do just that...I worked for the kids, not the CPS, not the state's interest, not the parents. It might amaze you that some kids being a ward of the state are safer. And believe me when I tell you that I'm not a fan of children being away from their families. But when their families are the source of their being physically and mentally disassembled and exploited...just know that there are a hell of a lot of people who should never have the right to reproduce.
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I agree that there truly are abused children out there and CPS does a lousy job at protecting them as well....The motive? Thanks to the ASFA law (adoptions and safe families act), a situation was created in which bonuses are paid for each child adopted out of foster care..The bonuses are from $4000 to $6000 per child.. Once this bonus was established, the number of babies adopted doubled even tho the law was set up to help teens...Just in the State of Oklahoma, children in state custody has soured from about 8000 four years ago to almost 10, 500 today. Children are not being reunified with their families, even when service plans have been complied with.....Child deaths in foster care are soaring as well...
 
Juanita said:
I agree that there truly are abused children out there and CPS does a lousy job at protecting them as well....The motive? Thanks to the ASFA law (adoptions and safe families act), a situation was created in which bonuses are paid for each child adopted out of foster care..The bonuses are from $4000 to $6000 per child.. Once this bonus was established, the number of babies adopted doubled even tho the law was set up to help teens...Just in the State of Oklahoma, children in state custody has soured from about 8000 four years ago to almost 10, 500 today. Children are not being reunified with their families, even when service plans have been complied with.....Child deaths in foster care are soaring as well...
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To the bolded: Seriously? I had no idea. Wow.
 
Dragonfly said:
Honestly..... thread completely derailed ....

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You guys need to GET A ROOM.
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No, someone brought CPS into the discussion because they felt smoking around children was child neglect and should be referred to Child Protection Services.
 
Juanita said:
Kidjacked
Legally Kidnapped
Child Protective Services-CPS-False Accusations
Fight CPS.com
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So you have nothing... I understand.
 
Juanita said:
I agree that there truly are abused children out there and CPS does a lousy job at protecting them as well....The motive? Thanks to the ASFA law (adoptions and safe families act), a situation was created in which bonuses are paid for each child adopted out of foster care..The bonuses are from $4000 to $6000 per child.. Once this bonus was established, the number of babies adopted doubled even tho the law was set up to help teens...Just in the State of Oklahoma, children in state custody has soured from about 8000 four years ago to almost 10, 500 today. Children are not being reunified with their families, even when service plans have been complied with.....Child deaths in foster care are soaring as well...
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There is a lot more to the story. There 10s of thousands of children who are not nor ever will be adopted even by foster families. Many kids spend there life's in the system...despite the ASFA. Why? Many are minority children. Many have been abused and have serious behavior issues. Many were born to addict mothers.

The bonus isn't very much in comparison to potential life long problems.

On cell. Can't go into details, but the ASFA doesn't help place children in a way that drives CPS to purposely not return kids to family. I'll be back. Thanks.
 
Juanita said:
No, someone brought CPS into the discussion because they felt smoking around children was child neglect and should be referred to Child Protection Services.
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Whether or not smoking in the car with your children qualifies as neglect or abuse is no excuse to hijack the thread into the problems of child protection services. If you have a beef with cps, then start a thread about cps.
 
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Boo Radley said:
You do realize that is what the debate us whiteflame90. Pretending otherwise makes you dishonest, right?
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Hy Bo. That's not even English. What are you trying to say?
 
eohrnberger said:
Hy Bo. That's not even English. What are you trying to say?
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The debate is about a law effecting children. You can debate it without discussing children. If someone posts what you did, that person is the one being dishonest.
 
Cardinal said:
Whether or not smoking in the car with your children qualifies as neglect or abuse is no excuse to hijack the thread into the problems of child protection services. If you have a beef with cps, then start a thread about cps.
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It's truly amazing how daft some people can be.
I'd given up on trying to reason with someone who can't see what a train wreck this thread has become....mostly because of her.

Thanks.
 
Cardinal said:
Whether or not smoking in the car with your children qualifies as neglect or abuse is no excuse to hijack the thread into the problems of child protection services. If you have a beef with cps, then start a thread about cps.
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I am not the one that brought CPS into the discussion, am I? Adios..
 
Dragonfly said:
It's truly amazing how daft some people can be.
I'd given up on trying to reason with someone who can't see what a train wreck this thread has become....mostly because of her.

Thanks.
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Have the courtesy to at least call me by my name...
 
Yahoo!

2014: Friday's report said 100,000 of the smoking-caused deaths over the past 20 years were babies who died of sudden infant death syndrome, or SIDS, or complications from prematurity, low birth weight or other conditions related to parents' smoking. And it adds cleft palate birth defects to that list of smoking risks to babies.
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2014: About 20.8 million people in the U.S. have died from smoking-related diseases since then, a toll the report puts at 10 times the number of Americans who have died in all of the nation's wars combined. Most were smokers or former smokers, but nearly 2.5 million died from heart disease or lung cancer caused by secondhand smoke.
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But you know....go ahead and TEACH your kids that smoking is okay. Teach them that it's cool. Help them get started by smoking around them. A lot. Smoke in small confined spaces and get the lungs and eyes accustomed to the habit.

Bond with your child over a cigarette.

Surely there's nothing harmful or hazardous in whatever you breath out, or whatever comes off the end of your product of choice.

Perfectly safe.
 
Since smoking is a direct threat to the child's health and safety I advocate that police be directed to use deadly force to eliminate the threat to the child.
 
ChrisL said:
That is still NOT abuse. Abuse is striking or otherwise hurting your child. At best, that would be child neglect, and we already have limited resources to investigate the horrible physical abuse that happens NOW. That would be a minimal form of neglect, considering some parents neglect to feed their children, neglect to be there to supervise their children and other much more horrible and blatant forms happen every day. Do you think we should waste time, money and man power investigating parents who smoke or eat wrong in front of their kids? That is ignorant. There are children who NEED help NOW out there.
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I disagree. Abuse is anything that harms the child. Injecting it with harmful bacteria is abuse. There are those (mostly) women that make their kids sick on purpose so that they (the mothers) get attention. That is child abuse. Putting stereo headphones on your child every day and 'cranking cool tunes' is abuse. Telling your child all the time that they are worthless and you never wanted them is abuse. Tormenting a child mentally is abuse.

Of course, we dont know about most things like this (and most are not carried to extremes)...and we cannot always stop them...but it doesnt mean the abuses dont take place.
 
I still cant believe anyone would argue smoking in the car with kids is perfectly fine... everytime I think I have seen and heard it all...Maybe it is a Munchhausen by proxy thing...goodness I dont know.
Lursa said:
I disagree. Abuse is anything that harms the child. Injecting it with harmful bacteria is abuse. There are those (mostly) women that make their kids sick on purpose so that they (the mothers) get attention. That is child abuse. Putting stereo headphones on your child every day and 'cranking cool tunes' is abuse. Telling your child all the time that they are worthless and you never wanted them is abuse. Tormenting a child mentally is abuse.

Of course, we dont know about most things like this (and most are not carried to extremes)...and we cannot always stop them...but it doesnt mean the abuses dont take place.
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Alyssa said:
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Why the eye roll?

Would you, today (Jan 19th, 2014), strap a 3 month old child into a car seat, get into the car, and light up a smoke or two while driving around doing errands?
 
Dragonfly said:
Why the eye roll?

Would you, today (Jan 19th, 2014), strap a 3 month old child into a car seat, get into the car, and light up a smoke or two while driving around doing errands?
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No, I wouldn't. But I'm also not a smarmy keyboard warrior making faulty medical diagnosis i just pulled out of my ass and rearranged from another post. I've already stated my position on this ad nauseum. Now my plan is to sit back and laugh at the ridiculous hyperbole.
 
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