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Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

Do you agree with ban on smoking inside cars with children?

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Henrin said:
So you know you can't prove cause and effect and you want to go ahead anyway. :lol:
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This isn't new territory. There have been countless class action lawsuits whereby factories have been found guilty of reckless endangerment through exposing its workers or citizens to pollutants when those people got cancer.
 
Henrin said:
How many laws do we have on people doing things inside of their cars? Does anyone know?
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A hundred jillion. Relevance?
 
Smeagol said:
Some people will obey the law just because its the law. Some will I supposed be ticketed if seen smoking with kids in the car. Beyond that, it adds to the conversation that exposing others to second hand smoke is selfish and unhealthy and is yet one more step in a positive direction.
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Just because something is unhealthy or selfish doesnt mean it should be illegal. To me this isn't a question of should people smoke around others, but rather the government over stepping. Just because something is good for you, or bad for you doesn't mean the government should be able to force it upon you.
 
Cardinal said:
This isn't new territory. There have been countless class action lawsuits whereby factories have been found guilty of reckless endangerment through exposing its workers or citizens to pollutants.
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Why are you shifting attention away from the topic? People get sued, fined and arrested for all kinds of things. Big whoop. Can you show a connection or not? If not, what the **** are you doing?
 
Kreton said:
Just because something is unhealthy or selfish doesnt mean it should be illegal. To me this isn't a question of should people smoke around others, but rather the government over stepping. Just because something is good for you, or bad for you doesn't mean the government should be able to force it upon you.
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I'll be the first (if I can) to step in and say everyone should have the freedom to do any damn fool thing to their own bodies they want. That's not what this thread is about, though.
 
To me this is a question of one person's rights over another person's rights. Children have rights too and should not be forced to travel in vehicles with adults smoking around them. Since children really have no choice when it comes to whether or not they are traveling in a car, then they should be protected from having adults (who should be more concerned with the child's welfare rather than their own selfish need to smoke, but not all are) smoking around them, an action that is known to be harmful to the health of the child, both short term and long term, despite denial of this.
 
Peter Grimm said:
I don't think second hand smoke is dangerous, so I'm against this.
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Where your opinion fails is that lungs are not very good filters, so whatever you blow out is nearly just as carcinogenic as what you suck in.
 
Henrin said:
That's not legal. The state forces everyone to allow them to see in their car.
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Well, I guess you can't win everything.
 
roguenuke said:
Then don't drive or ride in a car on public roads. Cars have windows, windows are see-through.
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Yeah, there is a great defense of the state. :roll: Tell me again why I can't tint all my windows? Oh right, the state wants to arrest me for stuff.
 
Yes they are confined spaces. We really do need a law...
d0gbreath said:
Minivans and SUVs aren't exactly confined spaces. Put the kids in the back of the Excursion and smoke way up there in the front.
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Henrin said:
Yeah, there is a great defense of the state. :roll: Tell me again why I can't tint all my windows? Oh right, the state wants to arrest me for stuff.
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You can be the William Wallace of our age.
 
Henrin said:
Yeah, there is a great defense of the state. :roll: Tell me again why I can't tint all my windows? Oh right, the state wants to arrest me for stuff.
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Not too hard to figure out why you can't tint all your windows. Police officers need to be able to see inside your car for their safety and the safety of others. It isn't just because they don't want to, but because it is safer. Their safety and public safety in general outweighs your privacy while driving a motor vehicle on public roads.
 
Cardinal said:
You can be the William Wallace of our age.
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"I could not be a traitor to Edward, for I was never his subject."

I agree. I can never be a traitor to the US since I was never their subject. :D
 
roguenuke said:
Not too hard to figure out why you can't tint all your windows. Police officers need to be able to see inside your car for their safety and the safety of others. It isn't just because they don't want to, but because it is safer. Their safety and public safety in general outweighs your privacy while driving a motor vehicle on public roads.
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Yeah, my rights are counterbalanced against safety instead of other rights. Nothing backwards about that. Really though, it's because they want to harass me about stupid **** like seat belts.
 
roguenuke said:
To me this is a question of one person's rights over another person's rights. Children have rights too and should not be forced to travel in vehicles with adults smoking around them. Since children really have no choice when it comes to whether or not they are traveling in a car, then they should be protected from having adults (who should be more concerned with the child's welfare rather than their own selfish need to smoke, but not all are) smoking around them, an action that is known to be harmful to the health of the child, both short term and long term, despite denial of this.
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This law doesn't change that. Parents who are going to smoke around their kids are going to smoke around their kids.
 
Henrin said:
Yeah, my rights are counterbalanced against safety instead of other rights. Nothing backwards about that.
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So a woman having the right to choose what she does with her own body is no good to you.

But tinted windows is a right because...?
 
roguenuke said:
Not too hard to figure out why you can't tint all your windows. Police officers need to be able to see inside your car for their safety and the safety of others. It isn't just because they don't want to, but because it is safer. Their safety and public safety in general outweighs your privacy while driving a motor vehicle on public roads.
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So if something is safer then the government should be allowed to force you into it? (this is a very loaded question)
 
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