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Smoking Illegal With Children In Car[W:501]

Do you agree with ban on smoking inside cars with children?

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Removable Mind said:
Oh, I think that kids who breath in quantities of tobacco tar and compounds will register sufficient levels in order to show a connection.
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All of which will not be present years down the road. How are you going to prove that their parents caused it? You're not.
 
lizzie said:
(but it's okay to kill them before they're born ;))
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Within the realm of choice, there is room to chose pro-life.
Within the realm of pro-life, there is no choice.

I chose freedom and greater choice, just on principal, not that I'd make that choice or support that choice.
 
Henrin said:
All of which will not be present years down the road.
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So...you admit that it's not an impossible form of collecting data. Even if its available at a later date. Isn't that how it usually works with most scientific data collected?

As we say down in Texas, "better late than never."
 
d0gbreath said:
Minivans and SUVs aren't exactly confined spaces. Put the kids in the back of the Excursion and smoke way up there in the front.
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You obviously do not own a minivan. My husband's ashes end up in the back of our Mazda 5, even on the very back window. Air circulates, particularly when you have the windows open to dissipate some of the smoke. I'm willing to bet the smoke goes all the way back there as well (it did when I was little).

Plus, people are assuming that this law just applies to the driver (I just realized this line of argument). This applies to all riders of the vehicle (I'm pretty sure anyway). So what about if you have more than one person smoking and one is in the back, with your/their children? Are you going to tell say only those up front can smoke, while those in the back can be fined?
 
Henrin said:
All of which will not be present years down the road. How are you going to prove that their parents caused it? You're not.
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The year is not 1950 (no matter how much Mad Men you may be watching). We know cigarette smoke is a deadly carcinogen.
 
Cardinal said:
The year is not 1950 (no matter how much Mad Men you may be watching). We know cigarette smoke is a deadly carcinogen.
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To the fetus?
 
lizzie said:
All you have to do is crack the window nearest whoever is smoking. The draft pulls the smoke.
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Not all of it.

Have any of you ever ridden in a car at all with someone who smokes while being a non-smoker yourself? Because I do all the time and my husband smokes with the window open (just about froze when he did this on our first roadtrip to visit families together through the the Smoky Mountains in Nov), and I not only still breathe in some of his smoke, but also usually get hit with ashes as well.
 
Cardinal said:
The year is not 1950 (no matter how much Mad Men you may be watching). We know cigarette smoke is a deadly carcinogen.
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Which of course you can't prove the connection between someone getting cancer when they are sixty and their parents smoking in the car back when they were eight.
 
scatt said:
Are there any group of people that ever purposely break a law once they know it is a law, because it is a law?
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A law like this? I highly doubt it. They would be putting their child (or someone else's child) in danger just to protest a law. And even if there are a few who would do such a thing, there would be many more who would obey the law to avoid the repercussions.
 
considering all the stupid **** my parents allowed us to do as kids, I'm surprised I lived to adulthood.

smoked around us
let us ride in the car without a seatbelt
let us ride in the back of a pickup truck
ride bikes without wearing shoes or helmets
 
roguenuke said:
A law like this? I highly doubt it. They would be putting their child (or someone else's child) in danger just to protest a law. And even if there are a few who would do such a thing, there would be many more who would obey the law to avoid the repercussions.
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A law.
 
roguenuke said:
You obviously do not own a minivan. My husband's ashes end up in the back of our Mazda 5, even on the very back window. Air circulates, particularly when you have the windows open to dissipate some of the smoke. I'm willing to bet the smoke goes all the way back there as well (it did when I was little).

Plus, people are assuming that this law just applies to the driver (I just realized this line of argument). This applies to all riders of the vehicle (I'm pretty sure anyway). So what about if you have more than one person smoking and one is in the back, with your/their children? Are you going to tell say only those up front can smoke, while those in the back can be fined?
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Oooh, another Californian. Ya'll realize that it was you that opened tofu restaurants and made the smokers go away?

I don't have a minivan. Glad you asked.
 
Henrin said:
Which of course you can't prove the connection between someone getting cancer when they are sixty and their parents smoking in the car back when they were eight.
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Irrelevant, because we know it's deadly anyway.
 
d0gbreath said:
Oooh, another Californian. Ya'll realize that it was you that opened tofu restaurants and made the smokers go away?

I don't have a minivan. Glad you asked.
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Do a little more research. I'm a North Carolinian. I live in California right now because this is where my husband is stationed.
 
Removable Mind said:
So...you admit that it's not an impossible form of collecting data. Even if its available at a later date. Isn't that how it usually works with most scientific data collected?

As we say down in Texas, "better late than never."
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No, I'm saying by the time a problem comes about whatever evidence left behind by their parents activities will be long gone. It wouldn't even matter if it wasn't gone since you still couldn't show that it came about because of their parents smoking.
 
roguenuke said:
Do a little more research. I'm a North Carolinian. I live in California right now because this is where my husband is stationed.
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Good luck trying to get back.
 
Cardinal said:
Irrelevant, because we know it's deadly anyway.
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So you know you can't prove cause and effect and you want to go ahead anyway. :lol:
 
Henrin said:
No, I'm saying by the time a problem comes about whatever evidence left behind by their parents activities will be long gone. It wouldn't even matter if it wasn't gone since you still couldn't show that it came about because of their parents smoking.
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I disagree. I believe in preponderance of evidence, which could easily be applied.
 
Removable Mind said:
I disagree. I believe in preponderance of evidence could easily be applied.
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Oh really? Lets assume that damage was done and you desire to figure out exactly how it happened. How are you going to do that? Good luck with that. :lol:
 
Henrin said:
Oh really? Lets assume that damage was done and you desire to figure out exactly how it happened. How are you going to do that? Good luck with that. :lol:
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Yeah we can see it when we ride by each other. :)
 
How many laws do we have on people doing things inside of their cars? Does anyone know?
 
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