Which was more Christian nation - USA or USSR?

pvsi said:

When I was a kid (7 or 10) in USSR, under communism, I remember there was a giant Christmas tree every year in the main public square, and hundreds of kids gathered around it, and they were giving away presents on stage. I remember I was very excited to come up on stage and receive a present....Interestingly after coming to America, the buzz I hear is that America is the Christian nation, while USSR was some sort of anti religious nation, so this is very strange. What did Americans have for Christmas this season in times square? I'm not sure but I think it was lady kaka or the tongue wielding Disney star Miley Cyrus?

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I think when I grew up as a kid in the 1950's, the United States was very much a Christian Nation and had been since before in inception. Sometime in the 1960's I think we started moving away from being such. That momentum over time has picked up speed and today it seems more and more people are bashing Christianity than ever before. The USSR or Russia before it was indeed a Christian nation before Lenin and Stalin and communism. Back in my day we looked upon the USSR as a godless nation which persecuted its Christians. I do not think Syria or Red China ever could qualify in any remote sense of being Christian. Although Islam is an off shoot of Christianity as Christianity is an off shoot of Judaism. All three are deeply related. All three have the same god.

China was rooted in Confucianism, perhaps Taoism and Buddhist philosophy along with other minor types of religions. Red China was never close to being a Christian Nation and outside of a few missionaries and a few churches, that was it. I think the countries of Europe, Central and South America would qualify as being more Christian as nations goes than the U.S. now.

pvsi said:

When I was a kid (7 or 10) in USSR, under communism, I remember there was a giant Christmas tree every year in the main public square, and hundreds of kids gathered around it, and they were giving away presents on stage. I remember I was very excited to come up on stage and receive a present....Interestingly after coming to America, the buzz I hear is that America is the Christian nation, while USSR was some sort of anti religious nation, so this is very strange. What did Americans have for Christmas this season in times square? I'm not sure but I think it was lady kaka or the tongue wielding Disney star Miley Cyrus?

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I'm to young for the USSR, but it think it all depends on your definition of christian. Celebrating christmas is also something many atheists and agnostics do, but it does not mean they are christian if they still deny christ.

I think the answer to this question depends on how you define "christian nation", firstly.

And secondly, what span of time you use to measure a nation's "christianness".



On another note, biased poll is biased, because you know damn well that Syria and China cannot possibly even be considered as choices for such a question.

That leaves the US and the USSR. And we can eliminate the USSR because, however it's people believed personally, and despite whatever outward appearances of Christianity might have been displayed by it's leadership (can't recall any), there is NO chance that the leadership of the USSR seriously considered factoring christian values into their decision-making processes.

Lastly, I'm personally of the opinion that it would be foolish to even consider the USA a "Christian nation". It's a damn sight closer than any of your other options though.

The Mark said:

On another note, biased poll is biased, because you know damn well that Syria and China cannot possibly even be considered as choices for such a question.

That leaves the US and the USSR. And we can eliminate the USSR because, however it's people believed personally, and despite whatever outward appearances of Christianity might have been displayed by it's leadership (can't recall any), there is NO chance that the leadership of the USSR seriously considered factoring christian values into their decision-making processes.

Lastly, I'm personally of the opinion that it would be foolish to even consider the USA a "Christian nation". It's a damn sight closer than any of your other options though.

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To sum up your post and my OP a quote from George Carlin: "It's all bull **** folks, and it's bad for you"

99percenter said:

The USA is not a christian Nation. It is a secular nation with a christian majority.

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Stupidity said. U.S. founded as a Christian country, on the basis of Christian morality. In which the separation of church and state. But the country is Christian, despite the fact here can live and prosper people of other religions.

pvsi said:

To sum up your post and my OP a quote from George Carlin: "It's all bull **** folks, and it's bad for you"

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I'm not so sure about the US being a "christian nation", but I do think that at least the leadership of the USSR was anti-religion.

The Mark said:

I'm not so sure about the US being a "christian nation", but I do think that at least the leadership of the USSR was anti-religion.

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It WAS, I am only pointing out the hypocrisy, and I explained before why I am convinced that both systems USA and USSR were controlled by the same criminal industry.

pvsi said:

It WAS, I am only pointing out the hypocrisy, and I explained before why I am convinced that both systems USA and USSR were controlled by the same criminal industry.

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Not at all.

That is your opinion completely devoid of logic, proof, of any facts at all.

If you can prove your international crime theory, I will happily concede, but I ain't holding my breath.

Your serve.

loader said:

Stupidity said. U.S. founded as a Christian country, on the basis of Christian morality. In which the separation of church and state. But the country is Christian, despite the fact here can live and prosper people of other religions.

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The USA was not founded as a christian country. In fact, most of our founders weren't even christian. They were deists and atheists. The founders were explicit that the US was not a christian nation.

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

I don't see any comparison. Read only the red print of Jesus' words from the bible and see what you think. It is evident he would have distained all, but hated most the hypocrites, and that nation is evidently the United States.

Regardless what we tell ourselves, I would have to say that Jesus if he returned today would agree with the Ayatollahs...America is the great Satan.

JJB3333 said:

I'm to young for the USSR, but it think it all depends on your definition of christian. Celebrating christmas is also something many atheists and agnostics do, but it does not mean they are christian if they still deny christ.

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I agree with your comments as far as celebrating christmas isn't exclusive to those who profess to be christian. The reasons for that are probably many, especially where atheist and agnostics are concerned, but I opine that christmas and christianity are now mutually exclusive, for the most part, despite the origin of christmas.

Removable Mind said:

I agree with your comments as far as celebrating christmas isn't exclusive to those who profess to be christian. The reasons for that are probably many, especially where atheist and agnostics are concerned, but I opine that christmas and christianity are now mutually exclusive, for the most part, despite the origin of christmas.

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It is possible to see it that way. where many celebrate the season of giving and participate in Christmas shopping and decorating the Christmas tree, Christians (or at least they are supposed to) must realize that Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Christ, thus so bringing a more spiritual aspect to the holiday. We are not simply engaging in the norm, but celebrating the entrance of the savior of the universe onto the earth, the first of many steps that would lead to his eventual Resurrection
and the forgiveness of sins.

99percenter said:

The USA is not a christian Nation. It is a secular nation with a christian majority.

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Actually, if we're getting technical, is say it's a secular government, which governs the people of the United States, of which a large segment could be consider a American Christian Nation.

(Let's see if I can lure Tucker Case back out :-D)

Zyphlin said:

Actually, if we're getting technical, is say it's a secular government, which governs the people of the United States, of which a large segment could be consider a American Christian Nation.

(Let's see if I can lure Tucker Case back out :-D)

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American Christian Nation? LOL. Sounds like a racist, rightwing, neo-nazi terrorist organization.

99percenter said:

American Christian Nation? LOL. Sounds like a racist, rightwing, neo-nazi terrorist organization.

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Or sounds like someone actually educated in Political Science and understands the term "nation" in it's casual use is a misnomer.

A nation is not a governing body (That's a government) nor a territory (That's a country) and is not even inherently a community under a unified government (That's a state). Rather, a nation is a grouping of people sharing a common culture, language, history, religion, etc.

It's reasonable and absolutely arguable to suggest that at the time of it's founding there was a sizable Christian Nation within the United States of America. IE, that there was a sizable enough population within the geographic area of the USA sharing a significantly common baseline language, culture, and history largely based around the shared religious view of Christianity. It’s around that time one could argue at least that the USA was a “Christian Nation” due to the overwhelming majority of the people sharing that common bond in a substantial fashion.

As the years have progressed since the time of the founding the percentage of the population both identifying as Christian, and especially actively practicing as one in day to day lives, has decreased. This has made the argument of the USA concurrently being a “Christian Nation” far more difficult to support, but does nothing to the notion of a “Christian Nation” WITHIN the USA existing other than shrinking that particular nation.

Now, due to our Government being Secular from the very onset, it would be difficult to argue that the USA was ever a Nation State, because our establishment as a “state” would not be directly coinciding with and empowered by the common traits of the nation. But there’s definitely an argument that there is a American Christian Nation, specific to the geographical region of our Country, that exists under the structure of the government of the United States of America.

Why a group of people sharing a common culture (American), language (English), and religion (Christianity) sounds like a “racist, rightwing, neo-nazi terrorist organization” is a personal issue with your own stereotypes, prejudices, and bigotry. But I believe based on facts surrounding the political usage of the words, it’s definitely a reasonable argument to be made.

99percenter said:

American Christian Nation? LOL. Sounds like a racist, rightwing, neo-nazi terrorist organization.

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Why?

Couldn't it be a online bible study group or something?

Zero none of them are Christian nations. All are secular nations.