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If USA started a world war, then be invaded by the world, would you accept draft?

Would you accept draft in the given situation?

  • I don't feel I have freedom to say what I would really do

    Votes: 4 10.3%

  • I would proudly fight for my Government

    Votes: 3 7.7%

  • I would proudly fight for my Freedom

    Votes: 14 35.9%

  • I would proudly fight for my draft beer.

    Votes: 9 23.1%

  • I would fight US government if I saw it starts losing

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 19 48.7%
  • Total voters
    39
pvsi said:
Uhum, Funny I just posted this below, right before I read your post.
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:doh

That's funny, but it's funny because it's you engaging in self-pwnage. The relationship between Saudi Arabia and the United States has gone downhill since we elected a naif child-king as President; when they sent tanks across the bridge to Bahrain they didn't even bother to give us a heads-up first. Because we were irrelevant to their decision-making. We bowed out of Syria after painting a red line, and are shifting to a policy of containment with Iran. The complete breakdown in the relationship is a 2013 phenomena. But here you are trying to reference the Bush Administration.

Perhaps I should also be proud of POTUS Bush and Obama kissing Saudi king and inviting him to the Oral office as well?
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:shrug: I wouldn't say proud - I would say recognizant. S.A. is an abusive autocracy whose moribund and corrupt kleptocracy will one day assuredly fall. That, however, in no way mitigates the point that people who support Assad today will desperately attempt to spin and obfuscate their way out of those positions tomorrow.
 
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Sherman123 said:
I don't know how Star Fleet would feel about that...
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If they give us trouble we can just shift control directly to the Regional Governors and let fear of our 20 Carrier Support Groups keep the locals in line.
 
Peter King said:
Sherman123 said:
we're probably going to end up deposing your King. =(
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Sorry, in your dreams my friend.
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If you ever go to a chain store in America, like home depot to buy something, the person in that section will always say "I can get it for you" or "I don't have it"... in other words not the store, but he is the owner. they have been taught to act like they own the actual store, and that is how they own America THEY MAY BE UPSET AT ME for even pointing it out, because it may hurt their pride.
 
TurtleDude said:
1) I shot a guy on drugs with a 9mm and it worked just fine. in total war no one is going to be limited to FMJs

2) face shots work pretty well on those in body armor

3) and 9mm is a back up. I have an FAL with 762 Quad loads in my mags (IMI black tip AP, FMJ, soft point expandables and tracer), that's my main SHTF rifle along with a MIAI with some sophisticated sighting devices loaded with 168 grain Sierra Match king 168 bullets (Federal National Match rounds)
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It's hard to get headshots when they are shooting back at you.
 
cpgrad08 said:
It's hard to get headshots when they are shooting back at you.
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That's why you make sure you pick up the body - armor enhancer with the special access code; so you can take additional damage. Then, so long as you can find a health-pack afterwards, you're golden - you can do it all day long.
 
Sherman123 said:
Oh pee-shaw, you'll adapt and eventually you'll grow to love it!
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If anything, it s much more likely that we will be overrun by China and be speaking Chinese. They seem to own almost everything and will acquire more in the future.
 
pvsi said:
If you ever go to a chain store in America, like home depot to buy something, the person in that section will always say "I can get it for you" or "I don't have it"... in other words not the store, but he is the owner. they have been taught to act like they own the actual store, and that is how they own America THEY MAY BE UPSET AT ME for even pointing it out, because it may hurt their pride.
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That may be a difference, in the Netherlands a person in a section will say that "I will do my best to get it for you" or "sorry, we do not have it in stock" but they will rarely use the "I" word for the company they work for.
 
cpwill said:
:doh
That's funny, but it's funny because it's you engaging in self-pwnage. The relationship between Saudi Arabia and the United States has gone downhill since we elected a naif child-king as President; when they sent tanks across the bridge to Bahrain they didn't even bother to give us a heads-up first. Because we were irrelevant to their decision-making. We bowed out of Syria after painting a red line, and are shifting to a policy of containment with Iran. The complete breakdown in the relationship is a 2013 phenomena. But here you are trying to reference the Bush Administration.
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In other words Bush style hand holding was the way to go? going there and holding Saudi king's hands with a little kiss worked better than Obama inviting him to the White house?


cpwill said:
1. :shrug: I wouldn't say proud - I would say recognizant. S.A. is an abusive autocracy whose moribund and corrupt kleptocracy will one day assuredly fall.
2. That, however, in no way mitigates the point that people who support Assad today will desperately attempt to spin and obfuscate their way out of those positions tomorrow.
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1. I am waiting for that day like some poor bastard is waiting to watch a porn movie.
2. I was against Saddam in 1990's, I was on his side since around 2002 and not ashamed to admit it even now. I am also not ashamed to say that Hitler was one hell of a leader even if he was not on the cover of Time magazine as hero Joseph Stalin who killed 30 million of his OWN people
Time magazine is still popular in America today.
 
pvsi said:
If USA would one day start a world war (impossible I know, considering how peaceful it has been) and then one day the world would rise up against it, whooped all US military bases, and brought the fighting home, to US cities, how would you feel about being drafter BY THE GOVERNMENT? By militias?

Living in the woods in America, I am not sure I have the freedom to say what I would do, especially after my dogs were shot a month ago, and I am not sure if I would refuse a local militia to fight against invaders either, because I would like to know who is taking over, and there would probably be no internet to research.
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Lachean said:
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If that site is in anyway associated with awrm.org (a well regulated militia) I have been banned from it in 2000 - 13 years ago. They were big anti Government "need to overthrow government" until Bush won, then they quickly disappeared, and THEN.... after Obamba won, a Tea Party appeared... American politics is interesting...
 
pvsi said:
If USA would one day start a world war (impossible I know, considering how peaceful it has been) and then one day the world would rise up against it, whooped all US military bases, and brought the fighting home, to US cities, how would you feel about being drafter BY THE GOVERNMENT? By militias?

Living in the woods in America, I am not sure I have the freedom to say what I would do, especially after my dogs were shot a month ago, and I am not sure if I would refuse a local militia to fight against invaders either, because I would like to know who is taking over, and there would probably be no internet to research.
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For the uninformed or misinformed and we know that accounts for at least 52% of the voters, if your a male between 17 years of age and 45 years of age you're already a member of the unorganized militia like it or not. It's the law.

The question is, are you a militiaman in good standing ready to serve ? Do you have a military style rifle and lots ammunition in your home ? Or are you derelict in your duties as an American ?


10 U.S. Code § 311 - Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

10 U.S. Code § 311 - Militia: composition and classes | LII / Legal Information Institute


BTW: If you are a vet and under 64 years old, don't think you're exempt defending your country.

a) To be eligible for original enlistment in the National Guard, a person must be at least 17 years of age and under 45, or under 64 years of age and a former member of the Regular Army, Regular Navy, Regular Air Force, or Regular Marine Corps. To be eligible for reenlistment, a person must be under 64 years of age.
(b) To be eligible for appointment as an officer of the National Guard, a person must—
(1) be a citizen of the United States; and
(2) be at least 18 years of age and under 64.

U.S. Code: Title 32 - NATIONAL GUARD | LII / Legal Information Institute
 
pvsi said:
In other words Bush style hand holding was the way to go? going there and holding Saudi king's hands with a little kiss worked better than Obama inviting him to the White house?
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Both Administrations had the Saudi's at the White House - they are allies. Having someone at the White House doesn't mean you are especially close and hand-in-glove working together; the Dalai Lama was at the White House.

A picture of a Saudi Royal at the White House does not counteract the fact that U.S.-Saudi Relations have generally collapsed, starting with the Arab Spring and accelerating over the last year or so.

1. I am waiting for that day like some poor bastard is waiting to watch a porn movie.
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Then you do not know what you are wishing for. The Saudi Collapse, if it happens anytime soon, is going to be one helluva chaotic mess.

2. I was against Saddam in 1990's, I was on his side since around 2002 and not ashamed to admit it even now. I am also not ashamed to say that Hitler was one hell of a leader even if he was not on the cover of Time magazine as hero Joseph Stalin who killed 30 million of his OWN people
Time magazine is still popular in America today.
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:doh then never mind. If you are fine supporting people like Saddam, Hitler, and Stalin then maybe you won't be embarrased of your current position.
 
88,000,000 legal gun owners. This place would be a nightmare on a good day for any invading force. Literally, a nightmare. 88,000,000 people, with over 320,000,000 guns. That a gun for basically every person in the country. Fighting with unconventional tactics....whatever force decided to invade lost before they even landed.
 
No one would need to be drafted, it'd be a battle for survival. It's no time for Democrat vs Republican bickering.

I'd almost feel bad for any invader stepping into the South. There are normal citizens in this nation with better weaponry than foot soldiers in first world, industrialized nations and the skill to use it right.

All this is ignoring the truly colossal feat it would be to fully invade America to begin with.
 
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I would happily fight for this country. No draft needed. Me and mine are ready, although I have serious doubts any invading force would last more than a couple days. Only way this country could be taken is if we gave it away or it was nuked!
 
pvsi said:
If USA would one day start a world war (impossible I know, considering how peaceful it has been) and then one day the world would rise up against it, whooped all US military bases, and brought the fighting home, to US cities, how would you feel about being drafter BY THE GOVERNMENT? By militias?

Living in the woods in America, I am not sure I have the freedom to say what I would do, especially after my dogs were shot a month ago, and I am not sure if I would refuse a local militia to fight against invaders either, because I would like to know who is taking over, and there would probably be no internet to research.
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What a stupid ****ing question...
 
No way in hell would I ever be willing to fight and die to keep the Democrats and the Republicans in power. Corporations are people, let THEM be conscripted and killed since they'd be the ones that bribed the government into started WW3 in the first place.
 
ChunkySalsa said:
No way in hell would I ever be willing to fight and die to keep the Democrats and the Republicans in power. Corporations are people, let THEM be conscripted and killed since they'd be the ones that bribed the government into started WW3 in the first place.
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I would sign my children up but there is no way in hell I would join up...
 
pvsi said:
If USA would one day start a world war (impossible I know, considering how peaceful it has been) and then one day the world would rise up against it, whooped all US military bases, and brought the fighting home, to US cities, how would you feel about being drafter BY THE GOVERNMENT? By militias?

Living in the woods in America, I am not sure I have the freedom to say what I would do, especially after my dogs were shot a month ago, and I am not sure if I would refuse a local militia to fight against invaders either, because I would like to know who is taking over, and there would probably be no internet to research.
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I am afraid the question reminds me of the thinking of those first thrilled by the new ideas they encounter in political science. The only thing that it shows is the bias and reminds me of Russia Today or German public media.

What is disturbing is that the mind bend behind such a question i.e. its formulation is that it tends to lead in an unproduktive direction to ask the wrong questions. In this case, you see, the problem is much less tractable than the question seems to assume, but the danger is very real and as a major war is very probable, indeed . So it is very important to find appropriate solutions. But you only get them, when you bark up the right trees.
 
cpwill said:
The idea of any nation out there being able to project the kind of force to effect even a minor invasion of an infinitesimal portion of the U.S. is kind of silly. But really - American Rednecks, working in concert with the U.S. military, on their Home Turf against EuroArmies, with no holds barred?
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He did not say the invading army was from EUROPE!!? :argue

What is the meaning of assuming that we would go after other Europeans across the ocean when you have many other potentialities in the world?!! What happened to China, Russia, India, Arabs future united front, African future united front, and many other similar potentialities?!

So eager to pick Europe from all those other options huh?!
 
Sherman123 said:
I'm sorry to say this but we're probably going to end up deposing your King. =( But you'll get a shiny new Governor, some Congressman, and at least two Senators! Depending on how we divide you up. We haven't fully worked out the kinks of the Planetary Congress.
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lulz

We're a little more capable than Vietnam, brah. But....perhaps you didn't get the message the first time.
 
pvsi said:
If USA would one day start a world war (impossible I know, considering how peaceful it has been) and then one day the world would rise up against it, whooped all US military bases, and brought the fighting home, to US cities, how would you feel about being drafter BY THE GOVERNMENT? By militias?

Living in the woods in America, I am not sure I have the freedom to say what I would do, especially after my dogs were shot a month ago, and I am not sure if I would refuse a local militia to fight against invaders either, because I would like to know who is taking over, and there would probably be no internet to research.
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The Japanese considered invading us back in WWII until they did the gun math.

I would imagine foreign countries would be just as, if not more, cautious today.

The scenario would likely go nuclear long before any thoughts of an invasion.
 
Morality Games said:
Conditionally. If the war was prosecuted unjustly by the elite, they would have to answer for it, after or preferably before hostilities end. If not, then I would probably abstain. It's their country, let them defend it.

If for whatever reason the United States started a world war justly, then I would serve.
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But how can one "justly" start a world war, any war. Starting a war is an act of aggression.
 
DDD said:
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He did not say the invading army was from EUROPE!!? :argue

What is the meaning of assuming that we would go after other Europeans across the ocean when you have many other potentialities in the world?!! What happened to China, Russia, India, Arabs future united front, African future united front, and many other similar potentialities?!

So eager to pick Europe from all those other options huh?!
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Easy DDD, we have no quarrels with Europe!
 
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