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Should these criminals be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned?

Should these men be prosecuted under federal law?

  • Yes, prosecute them for the federal felony offense

    Votes: 15 75.0%

  • No, that law is a bad law so no one should have to follow it.

    Votes: 5 25.0%

  • No, only popular laws have to be complied with.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    20
Perotista said:
I was drafted into the army in 1966 and I did my duty. I never thought of it as slavery, it wasn't. I was free to live my life in the bounds of the military like anyone else can live their life within the bounds of our society.
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When you were drafted you were forced to provide a service to the government and thus made their involuntary servant.
 
Arbo said:
So you want to allow other countries to slaughter their citizens and us do nothing about it. Got it.
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People have to fight for their own freedom to truly appreciate it.
 
Arbo said:
So you want to allow other countries to slaughter their citizens and us do nothing about it. Got it.
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But that sentiment is nowhere in your quote of me. So how'd you get it?
 
Montecresto said:
But that sentiment is nowhere in your quote of me. So how'd you get it?
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Well, if they do it, and we put sanctions on them, you would be against such an action, as that would provoke them to attack us, right?
 
joko104 said:
As many members furious claim the "mountain man" who refused to pay $16 for a fishing license rightly was arrested and prosecuted because everyone must follow the law, this seems a relevant question - and is a public poll for those daring to ask.

Every MALE born from 1959 was and still is required to register with the Selective Service, which can be done at the post office. Failing to do so is to be punished:

1. 5 years in federal prison.
2. $250,000 in fines.
3. Lose of voting rights, gun ownership rights and all other loses associated with a felony conviction.
4. Banned from ever holding a federal job or job with the post office.
5. Banned from only most political offices and many other types of employment.
6. Generally also then being unable to be bonded or licensed for many professions, including as an attorney.
7. Banned from most law enforcement positions.

Most states also have penalties.

Shouldn't every male who has not or did not register as required be promptly arrested and prosecuted since everyone must follow the law and there should never be any exceptions or excuses allowed?
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Registering for the Draft: It's Still the Law
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No.

Those males who are required to register for the draft need to obey the law and register.
 
Montecresto said:
Well that wasn't the point, the key words in his post were "without provocation".
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so economics are just cause, damn wonder the people have had an uprising against DC.
 
Lachean said:
No politician can force me to kill anyone for their agenda.

Besides, a volunteer army is the best kind of army.
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Yeah. Let's have the poor folks and minorities do the fighting and the dying. :lamo
 
Henrin said:
When you were drafted you were forced to provide a service to the government and thus made their involuntary servant.
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I don't look at like that. I look at it as doing my part for my country for the privilege of living here. In the best country in the world IMO.
 
Perotista said:
I don't look at like that. I look at it as doing my part for my country for the privilege of living here. In the best country in the world IMO.
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That would make sense if you signed up on your own free will, but you were drafted.
 
How many Americans that are required to register for the selective service refuse to do so? I don't know but I would imagine its quite small. If it is, then the question is basically a non-issue. As to the validity of having a draft or not, its a representative democracy, if you don't believe that Americans should be required to register for selective service, then convince enough of your peers to petition those that represent you and get the law changed. If you think its unconstitutional, then petition the federal courts.

Until someone can provide some numbers, it seems the poll is just a red herring for anarchists.
 
Henrin said:
That would make sense if you signed up on your own free will, but you were drafted.
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It doesn't matter. My generation was expected to serve. Every able bodied male knew they owed a 2 year obligation. We viewed it as a way to give something back to this great country of ours. You guys leave me scratching my head. I find it very hard to understand your point of view that serving in your countries military is like slavery. JFK said it all when he said, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." My generation, the kids who grew up in the 50's and those generation previous still trusted their government to do the right thing. Think about the leaders we had around the time I grew up or just before, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK. 4 top ten presidents and they came back to back to back.

We were proud to be Americans and we knew America stood for freedom against the totalitarian countries of the world. We took that responsibility seriously about keeping her free and if we gave 2 years or more of our life to our country, that was a small price to pay.
 
Henrin said:
That would make sense if you signed up on your own free will, but you were drafted.
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As was I. Governments have, is, and will engage in wars in the interests of governments only...not in the interest of citizens that they claim to serve.

I pretty much agree with X. If our nation is attacked on our own soil...with such force that our current military isn't capable of defending our nation, then I believe a draft might be necessary. Otherwise...no.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
How many Americans that are required to register for the selective service refuse to do so? I don't know but I would imagine its quite small. If it is, then the question is basically a non-issue. As to the validity of having a draft or not, its a representative democracy, if you don't believe that Americans should be required to register for selective service, then convince enough of your peers to petition those that represent you and get the law changed. If you think its unconstitutional, then petition the federal courts.

Until someone can provide some numbers, it seems the poll is just a red herring for anarchists.
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I already said I had no intention to do so. If my mother didn't sign me up I would of most likely been punished by the state and spend five years in jail. In the end though, just because you have power to take away someones freedom and property doesn't mean your stance is right.
 
Arbo said:
Well, if they do it, and we put sanctions on them, you would be against such an action, as that would provoke them to attack us, right?
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What does that have to do with your accusation that I'm perfectly content with countries slaughtering their own citizens? Will you focus before you post please.
 
Perotista said:
It doesn't matter. My generation was expected to serve. Every able bodied male knew they owed a 2 year obligation. We viewed it as a way to give something back to this great country of ours. You guys leave me scratching my head. I find it very hard to understand your point of view that serving in your countries military is like slavery. JFK said it all when he said, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." My generation, the kids who grew up in the 50's and those generation previous still trusted their government to do the right thing. Think about the leaders we had around the time I grew up or just before, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK. 4 top ten presidents and they came back to back to back.

We were proud to be Americans and we knew America stood for freedom against the totalitarian countries of the world. We took that responsibility seriously about keeping her free and if we gave 2 years or more of our life to our country, that was a small price to pay.
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There is a long series of problems that are very common with people that are drafted into service all because they have no desire to take part in it. This was a common place during the Vietnam war. There is very little doubt that many of your peers did not agree with you and considered it an action that they were not willingness to take part in.
 
TurtleDude said:
a draft is contrary to a free society
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and of course, your own unique concept of what is a "free society" is more important than the pereservation of the USA and the American way of life. :roll::doh

Thank god that right libertarians were not in charge in WW2 or we would all be typing in german.
 
Perotista said:
It doesn't matter. My generation was expected to serve. Every able bodied male knew they owed a 2 year obligation. We viewed it as a way to give something back to this great country of ours. You guys leave me scratching my head. I find it very hard to understand your point of view that serving in your countries military is like slavery. JFK said it all when he said, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." My generation, the kids who grew up in the 50's and those generation previous still trusted their government to do the right thing. Think about the leaders we had around the time I grew up or just before, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK. 4 top ten presidents and they came back to back to back.

We were proud to be Americans and we knew America stood for freedom against the totalitarian countries of the world. We took that responsibility seriously about keeping her free and if we gave 2 years or more of our life to our country, that was a small price to pay.
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Replace that sentence with anything else:

I find it very hard to understand your point of view that serving in your countries factories is like slavery.

I find it very hard to understand your point of view that serving in your countries farms is like slavery.

I find it very hard to understand your point of view that serving in your countries mines is like slavery.

I find it very hard to understand your point of view that serving in your countries oil fields is like slavery.

Etc, etc. I doubt many would countenance shanghaiing hundreds of thousands of citizens for enforced stints as manual laborers for the state, that some venerate military service as patriotic and just (it is) does not mean that it isn't enforced servitude. It doesn't just apply to things we don't like.

I personally can defend a draft on very narrow circumstances that I freely acknowledge are hypocritical and utilitarian in nature. But I acknowledge the hypocrisy.
 
Perotista said:
It doesn't matter. My generation was expected to serve. Every able bodied male knew they owed a 2 year obligation. We viewed it as a way to give something back to this great country of ours. You guys leave me scratching my head. I find it very hard to understand your point of view that serving in your countries military is like slavery. JFK said it all when he said, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." My generation, the kids who grew up in the 50's and those generation previous still trusted their government to do the right thing. Think about the leaders we had around the time I grew up or just before, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK. 4 top ten presidents and they came back to back to back.

We were proud to be Americans and we knew America stood for freedom against the totalitarian countries of the world. We took that responsibility seriously about keeping her free and if we gave 2 years or more of our life to our country, that was a small price to pay.
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Your most important point was that prior to the 60's Americans still trusted the government to do the right thing. There's been a lot of water under the bridge since and a lot of lying us into conflicts/wars. Wasn't there just a poll up here on the board recently that 70% of Americans don't trust their government? And damn good reason why, it ain't the good ole days anymore Pero, and it doesn't look like things are getting any better. As American distrust for government has gone up their desire to sacrifice for the cause has gone down.
 
Montecresto said:
What does that have to do with your accusation that I'm perfectly content with countries slaughtering their own citizens? Will you focus before you post please.
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It is very much focused, and it is clear you do not want to admit to the logical conclusion of your thoughts. No consistency of beliefs is what we are seeing in you.
 
Arbo said:
It is very much focused, and it is clear you do not want to admit to the logical conclusion of your thoughts. No consistency of beliefs is what we are seeing in you.
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Wtf are you talking about, was Japan slaughtering their own citizens? I told you to focus.
 
TurtleDude said:
a draft is contrary to a free society
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This. Plus, I sleep a little better knowing that my country is defended by crazy ****ers who want to kill. Or maybe that should make me more nervous. I haven't decided.
 
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Montecresto said:
Wtf are you talking about, was Japan slaughtering their own citizens? I told you to focus.
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It doesn't matter what japan was or was not doing, you are the one moving along in this unfocused stream. That you have not caught on to your inconsistencies comes as no surprise.
 
haymarket said:
and of course, your own unique concept of what is a "free society" is more important than the pereservation of the USA and the American way of life. :roll::doh

Thank god that right libertarians were not in charge in WW2 or we would all be typing in german.
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Yeah, we wouldn't have thrown Japanese people into camps or developed nuclear weapons. That would have been terrible. :roll:
 
Henrin said:
There is a long series of problems that are very common with people that are drafted into service all because they have no desire to take part in it. This was a common place during the Vietnam war. There is very little doubt that many of your peers did not agree with you and considered it an action that they were not willingness to take part in.
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I am sure you are right. But I for one feel proud that I was able to give my country something for what she has given me. Apparently not everyone agrees with that. That is the beauty of this country and I did my part in ensuring that beauty lives on and was passed on. I do wonder if that will be the case for the future though.
 
Sherman123 said:
Replace that sentence with anything else:

I find it very hard to understand your point of view that serving in your countries factories is like slavery.

I find it very hard to understand your point of view that serving in your countries farms is like slavery.

I find it very hard to understand your point of view that serving in your countries mines is like slavery.

I find it very hard to understand your point of view that serving in your countries oil fields is like slavery.

Etc, etc. I doubt many would countenance shanghaiing hundreds of thousands of citizens for enforced stints as manual laborers for the state, that some venerate military service as patriotic and just (it is) does not mean that it isn't enforced servitude. It doesn't just apply to things we don't like.

I personally can defend a draft on very narrow circumstances that I freely acknowledge are hypocritical and utilitarian in nature. But I acknowledge the hypocrisy.
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I am me and what I did I never viewed it as slavery.
 
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