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Should these criminals be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned?

Should these men be prosecuted under federal law?

  • Yes, prosecute them for the federal felony offense

    Votes: 15 75.0%

  • No, that law is a bad law so no one should have to follow it.

    Votes: 5 25.0%

  • No, only popular laws have to be complied with.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    20
ChrisL said:
And I don't care, if they did, we would fight back as we should. Maybe if we didn't have to play daddy to the rest of world, THEY wouldn't have these issues.
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And who said that we/you need to play daddy to the rest of the world?
 
Montecresto said:
And who said that we/you need to play daddy to the rest of the world?
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Well we wouldn't if these other countries weren't run by children.
 
ChrisL said:
Well we wouldn't if these other countries weren't run by children.
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Seriously. So IOW, its a self appointed role born of elitism.
 
joko104 said:
As many members furious claim the "mountain man" who refused to pay $16 for a fishing license rightly was arrested and prosecuted because everyone must follow the law, this seems a relevant question - and is a public poll for those daring to ask.

Every MALE born from 1959 was and still is required to register with the Selective Service, which can be done at the post office. Failing to do so is to be punished:

1. 5 years in federal prison.
2. $250,000 in fines.
3. Lose of voting rights, gun ownership rights and all other loses associated with a felony conviction.
4. Banned from ever holding a federal job or job with the post office.
5. Banned from only most political offices and many other types of employment.
6. Generally also then being unable to be bonded or licensed for many professions, including as an attorney.
7. Banned from most law enforcement positions.

Most states also have penalties.

Shouldn't every male who has not or did not register as required be promptly arrested and prosecuted since everyone must follow the law and there should never be any exceptions or excuses allowed?

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Registering for the Draft: It's Still the Law
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If you think every citizen has a right to refuse every law that has, in his perspective, contradiction between the law and his conscience, you open a wide breach in the fence to everyone to do whatever they want in the name of their conscience. But if you think that every law obligating the citizen because this is what the majority agreed, you are giving absolute status to the law, whatever it will be.
I believe civil disobedience saved for exceptional incidents, when you have serious violation of the principles of justice, therefore i think the males that didnt registered should be prosecuted, if you don’t like the law use democratic tools to change the law.
 
Montecresto said:
Seriously. So IOW, its a self appointed role born of elitism.
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It's called self-preservation when you have nuts like Lil Kim running around with nuclear weapons.
 
ChrisL said:
It's called self-preservation when you have nuts like Lil Kim running around with nuclear weapons.
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Ok Chris, sure. This all started because of a claim of yours that Japan attacked the US without provocation, remember that?
 
Montecresto said:
Ok Chris, sure. This all started because of a claim of yours that Japan attacked the US without provocation, remember that?
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Well I think their attack on Pearl Harbor was unprovoked. The sanctions we put on Japan were legitimate. They were a menace at that time.
 
joko104 said:
As many members furious claim the "mountain man" who refused to pay $16 for a fishing license rightly was arrested and prosecuted because everyone must follow the law, this seems a relevant question - and is a public poll for those daring to ask.

Every MALE born from 1959 was and still is required to register with the Selective Service, which can be done at the post office. Failing to do so is to be punished:

1. 5 years in federal prison.
2. $250,000 in fines.
3. Lose of voting rights, gun ownership rights and all other loses associated with a felony conviction.
4. Banned from ever holding a federal job or job with the post office.
5. Banned from only most political offices and many other types of employment.
6. Generally also then being unable to be bonded or licensed for many professions, including as an attorney.
7. Banned from most law enforcement positions.

Most states also have penalties.

Shouldn't every male who has not or did not register as required be promptly arrested and prosecuted since everyone must follow the law and there should never be any exceptions or excuses allowed?

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Registering for the Draft: It's Still the Law
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So many people in this country receive all the rewards she has to offer, yet are unwilling to give anything back to here. If JFK was alive today and stated this, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." I am sure the vast majority of Americans would laugh him out of the building.

I think pretty that most Americans are perfectly happy to let less than 1% of the population defend America and that they wouldn't lift a hand to defend her if she was invaded and conquered.
 
Perotista said:
So many people in this country receive all the rewards she has to offer, yet are unwilling to give anything back to here. If JFK was alive today and stated this, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." I am sure the vast majority of Americans would laugh him out of the building.

I think pretty that most Americans are perfectly happy to let less than 1% of the population defend America and that they wouldn't lift a hand to defend her if she was invaded and conquered.
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I totally disagree. I like to think that if people believed America was going to be conquered, most of us would fight against that.
 
ChrisL said:
Well I think their attack on Pearl Harbor was unprovoked. The sanctions we put on Japan were legitimate. They were a menace at that time.
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That is ridiculouse. A blocade/embargo on a country IS an act of war. We provoked a Japanese response. So the attack on PH was NOT unprovoked.
 
Perotista said:
So many people in this country receive all the rewards she has to offer, yet are unwilling to give anything back to here. If JFK was alive today and stated this, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." I am sure the vast majority of Americans would laugh him out of the building.

I think pretty that most Americans are perfectly happy to let less than 1% of the population defend America and that they wouldn't lift a hand to defend her if she was invaded and conquered.
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Except that all these wars of aggression/opportunity that follow long term FP goals hardly equate to defending America. Let a foreign army land on our beeches, and Americans would step up to the plate. The BS Pentagon activities of the last 50 years breed an apathy non existent in WW2.
 
Montecresto said:
That is ridiculouse. A blocade/embargo on a country IS an act of war. We provoked a Japanese response. So the attack on PH was NOT unprovoked.
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Are you kidding me? Japan was helping Germany. THEY were the aggressors. WE were trying to do whatever we could to stay OUT of that war and be peacekeepers, until they attacked Pearl Harbor.
 
Montecresto said:
Except that all these wars of aggression/opportunity that follow long term FP goals hardly equate to defending America. Let a foreign army land on our beeches, and Americans would step up to the plate. The BS Pentagon activities of the last 50 years breed an apathy non existent in WW2.
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I do not believe for a single minute or even a second. There is nothing that I have seen or read that would even install a bit of hope of what you said would come true. I think the vast majority of Americans would just stand idly by and let what ever was to happen, happen. If some foreign power took over, they would just assume that is the way the cookie crumbles.
 
ChrisL said:
Are you kidding me? Japan was helping Germany. THEY were the aggressors. WE were trying to do whatever we could to stay OUT of that war and be peacekeepers, until they attacked Pearl Harbor.
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Neither Germany or Japan had attacked the US. Our embargo was the first move, which was seen as a provocation. It really is that simple. Defend your perceived merits of our provocation all you want, but that strangle hold prompted Japanese retaliation in the form of attacking us at PH.
 
Perotista said:
I do not believe for a single minute or even a second. There is nothing that I have seen or read that would even install a bit of hope of what you said would come true. I think the vast majority of Americans would just stand idly by and let what ever was to happen, happen. If some foreign power took over, they would just assume that is the way the cookie crumbles.
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Well then, I had best had my escape plan well rehearsed.
 
Montecresto said:
Neither Germany or Japan had attacked the US. Our embargo was the first move, which was seen as a provocation. It really is that simple. Defend your perceived merits of our provocation all you want, but that strangle hold prompted Japanese retaliation in the form of attacking us at PH.
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The embargo was imposed on Japan for its invasion of China. If Japan withdrew its forces, the U.S. would drop its embargo.
 
Perotista said:
The embargo was imposed on Japan for its invasion of China. If Japan withdrew its forces, the U.S. would drop its embargo.
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Dude! I'm well aware of ALL the rationale behind Roosevelt policy at the time. None of it has any baring on the fact that the US embargo on Japan was a provocation, and they responded in kind. Never forget too, that Roosevelt wanted into WW2 while the American population was 80/20 against. There are many behind the seen (but certainly not unknown, today for sure) things that Roosevelt was doing in an attempt to change American opinion on that. One thing is certain. It's not as though the US was sitting on our side of the world busy with our personal affairs and out of the blue for no reason whatsoever the Japanese decided, hey, lets go bust Americas chops. WE (well, the Roosevelt administration) chose to inject ourselves over seas (again, the merits or not of that are irrelevant to my point) and squeeze the Japanese and they hit back. That cannot be denied.
 
Montecresto said:
Dude! I'm well aware of ALL the rationale behind Roosevelt policy at the time. None of it has any baring on the fact that the US embargo on Japan was a provocation, and they responded in kind. Never forget too, that Roosevelt wanted into WW2 while the American population was 80/20 against. There are many behind the seen (but certainly not unknown, today for sure) things that Roosevelt was doing in an attempt to change American opinion on that. One thing is certain. It's not as though the US was sitting on our side of the world busy with our personal affairs and out of the blue for no reason whatsoever the Japanese decided, hey, lets go bust Americas chops. WE (well, the Roosevelt administration) chose to inject ourselves over seas (again, the merits or not of that are irrelevant to my point) and squeeze the Japanese and they hit back. That cannot be denied.
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I never denied that we squeezed the Japan, but it was the hopes that the embargo would encourage Japan to remove her troops from China. Besides I was replying to ChrisL to let him know why the embargo was put in place.
 
Montecresto said:
Dude!
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So every nation that has ever had another nation place an embargo or some sort of sanctions against them, is justified in bombing the nations that did it? That's a set up for continual war, eh?
 
Arbo said:
So every nation that has ever had another nation place an embargo or some sort of sanctions against them, is justified in bombing the nations that did it? That's a set up for continual war, eh?
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Don't place the sanctions, embargoes or blockades unless you have been personally attacked. One provocation usually leads to another.

So we have placed strangling sanctions on Iran. They'd bitch slap us like Japan did, if they could. Now suppose Iran pulled a blockade on us, what do you suppose would be our response? We'd Pearl Harbour them wouldn't we, and you would be defending it.
 
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Montecresto said:
Don't place the sanctions, embargoes or blockades unless you have been personally attacked. One provocation usually leads to another.
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So you are an isolationist?
 
Arbo said:
So you are an isolationist?
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Why do I have to be placed in the extreme as isolationist by you, just because I disapprove of interventionism?
 
Perotista said:
I never denied that we squeezed the Japan, but it was the hopes that the embargo would encourage Japan to remove her troops from China. Besides I was replying to ChrisL to let him know why the embargo was put in place.
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I think you were replying to him because I agree that we were playing peacekeepers at that particular time, and I'm a she BTW. :lol:
 
Poking a stick at Japan which resulted in Japan bitch slapping us is hardly playing peace keepers.
 
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