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Is my lack of respect for USA justified?

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I wonder what contempt-of-court charges garner in jail time these days....

We might soon find out by the length of his absence!
 
People who will comment on this question without reading my post, are obviously trolls.
Here are my reasons why I have no respect for America as a nation:

- US president Obama promised dialog with Iran and Syria, but instead invited Saudi Arabian kings to the white house who sent death row inmates to fight Syrian people
- US president Bush promised no nation building but invaded Iraq, Afghanistan
- US senate congress has fights about funding Obamas care, but has no problems funding Israel which has universal health care, and funding whole bunch of other nations.
- I was wrongly arrested from my house in 2000 for robbery, spent 3 days in prison, and could not even sue the police district, another police district ended up handling my case. without money I am absolute nobody in this nation. same when my dogs got shot near my house this past December 4th.

There are many other reasons, but this gives some idea. I respect decent American people with all my heart, and unlike politicians who have access to the establishment media to keep kissing millions of asses and saying god bless America and god bless our men in uniform, I do not have such privilege, but to love a nation I have to love the system, a nation IS a system.
If America does not even have a government that represents its' people, what kind of a nation is it? it certainly does not represent me.




The government of the USA represents the American people who put it in power.

Anyone who isn't happy in the USA should hit the road. Why stay where you're not happy?

The entrance to the exit is wide open.

Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you while you're on the way out.
 
You mean the American government, right? If you look over track records, you'd have justification to have no respect for a lot of countries. Long as you don't equate the government's actions with the American people as if they're one and the same, it's fair.

That's only true of the people who openly and vocally call their government OUT on their sins. Far too many Americans (PLENTY on this board) cling like a tic to the propaganda projected by our government, for them, what you present, is simply not true.
 
The government of the USA represents the American people who put it in power.

Anyone who isn't happy in the USA should hit the road. Why stay where you're not happy?

The entrance to the exit is wide open.

Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you while you're on the way out.

Shrub, dissent does not necessarily equate with unhappiness. But wanting things to be better/different shouldn't be presented with an invitation to leave. And I've seen you complain plenty on this board about the way various things are in America, and I wouldn't wish for you to leave. Not all certainly, but very little of what our country does, particularly concerning foreign policy, is representative of me!
 
That's only true of the people who openly and vocally call their government OUT on their sins. Far too many Americans (PLENTY on this board) cling like a tic to the propaganda projected by our government, for them, what you present, is simply not true.

People here on DP are political. The Democrats will support anything, legal or illegal done by the Obama administration while they will oppose anything, legal or illegal done by the Bush administration and vice versa when it come to Republicans. These people will go back into history and defend anything and everything that any president from their did only because the D and the R.

America as a whole I think has been very good for the world. But we have done some very nasty things as has every other country in the world. Governments are run by people, human beings and as a human they are as fallible as any other human. But what happens is we tend to look back on history through the context, the lenses of today's morals, values, customs, than those of the times what ever event or happening took place. I think in the end we would find America did what was right more times than they didn't which is not true for other countries or societies.
 
Shrub, dissent does not necessarily equate with unhappiness.
But wanting things to be better/different shouldn't be presented with an invitation to leave. And I've seen you complain plenty on this board about the way various things are in America, and I wouldn't wish for you to leave. Not all certainly, but very little of what our country does, particularly concerning foreign policy, is representative of me!




I hear you, and I support everyone's free speech rights and their right to dissent.

But anytime anyone posts over the line comments they shouldn't be surprised if some of the responses are close to, or over the line.

That's the way that life works.

If someone punches me in the nose and kicks me in the gonads I don't shake their hand.

"What goes around, comes around."
 
People here on DP are political. The Democrats will support anything, legal or illegal done by the Obama administration while they will oppose anything, legal or illegal done by the Bush administration and vice versa when it come to Republicans. These people will go back into history and defend anything and everything that any president from their did only because the D and the R.

America as a whole I think has been very good for the world.
But we have done some very nasty things as has every other country in the world. Governments are run by people, human beings and as a human they are as fallible as any other human. But what happens is we tend to look back on history through the context, the lenses of today's morals, values, customs, than those of the times what ever event or happening took place. I think in the end we would find America did what was right more times than they didn't which is not true for other countries or societies.




I agree.

The USA isn't perfect and it has made some mistakes, but overall the USA has made the world a better place and it has given up a lot of blood and money to do that.

Anyone who only sees evil in what the USA is doing and has done is out of touch with reality.
 
People here on DP are political. The Democrats will support anything, legal or illegal done by the Obama administration while they will oppose anything, legal or illegal done by the Bush administration and vice versa when it come to Republicans. These people will go back into history and defend anything and everything that any president from their did only because the D and the R.

America as a whole I think has been very good for the world. But we have done some very nasty things as has every other country in the world. Governments are run by people, human beings and as a human they are as fallible as any other human. But what happens is we tend to look back on history through the context, the lenses of today's morals, values, customs, than those of the times what ever event or happening took place. I think in the end we would find America did what was right more times than they didn't which is not true for other countries or societies.

Nah, I won't agree with that. Besides, measuring ones sins by another just isn't good enough. I want America to be what it claims to be.
 
I agree.

The USA isn't perfect and it has made some mistakes, but overall the USA has made the world a better place and it has given up a lot of blood and money to do that.

yep.............
 
I agree.

The USA isn't perfect and it has made some mistakes, but overall the USA has made the world a better place and it has given up a lot of blood and money to do that.

Anyone who only sees evil in what the USA is doing and has done is out of touch with reality.

And there are plenty of examples where we have given up blood and money, and made the world a worse place.
 
But I won't take the poll because of the way it's written, as in all or nothing. There's no room to have respect for those things that America has done that deserve respect.
 
Nah, I won't agree with that. Besides, measuring ones sins by another just isn't good enough. I want America to be what it claims to be.

As long a humans make up the government, it won't be perfect. People and governments make mistakes. Also what was right a long time ago, in history at the time may be viewed as being wrong today. This comes about through our changing morals, values and customs. What was viewed a normal and moral 100 or 200 years ago as moral and just may not be seen in that same light today. We of today's world are unable to make decisions or take action to what will be view as right and justified in the world of 500 years from now. All we can do is the best we can today with what our values say is right today, not tomorrow.
 
As long a humans make up the government, it won't be perfect. People and governments make mistakes. Also what was right a long time ago, in history at the time may be viewed as being wrong today. This comes about through our changing morals, values and customs. What was viewed a normal and moral 100 or 200 years ago as moral and just may not be seen in that same light today. We of today's world are unable to make decisions or take action to what will be view as right and justified in the world of 500 years from now. All we can do is the best we can today with what our values say is right today, not tomorrow.

Ok, sense you narrowed it down like that, I think we have common ground.
 
People who will comment on this question without reading my post, are obviously trolls.
Here are my reasons why I have no respect for America as a nation:

- US president Obama promised dialog with Iran and Syria, but instead invited Saudi Arabian kings to the white house who sent death row inmates to fight Syrian people
- US president Bush promised no nation building but invaded Iraq, Afghanistan
- US senate congress has fights about funding Obamas care, but has no problems funding Israel which has universal health care, and funding whole bunch of other nations.
- I was wrongly arrested from my house in 2000 for robbery, spent 3 days in prison, and could not even sue the police district, another police district ended up handling my case. without money I am absolute nobody in this nation. same when my dogs got shot near my house this past December 4th.

There are many other reasons, but this gives some idea. I respect decent American people with all my heart, and unlike politicians who have access to the establishment media to keep kissing millions of asses and saying god bless America and god bless our men in uniform, I do not have such privilege, but to love a nation I have to love the system, a nation IS a system. If America does not even have a government that represents its' people, what kind of a nation is it? it certainly does not represent me.

1. There's a saying: "Politics makes for strange bedfellows". One of the dirtiest facts about international relations is that sometimes - heck, even a lot of times - make friends with unsavory nations and peoples. This has been true throughout human history. The strong friendship between America and England is actually an exception to the rule in that there's few if any instances where we would turn our backs on them - but England itself certainly has feet of clay.

Obama's made some diplomatic mistakes - but his foreign policy successes are by any OBJECTIVE (i.e. non-Obama-hater's) measure are certainly greater than his foreign policy failures. And if he turned his back on Saudi Arabia, sit back and think on how that would affect our diplomatic dynamics in the region - there's no benefit (whether diplomatic or economic) at all for America by rejecting the Saudis...never mind the things that they do that are terribly wrong in our eyes.

2. Yeah, we screwed up badly when we elected Dubya, didn't we?

3. Most of America DOES want health insurance or single-payer health care for all Americans. It's just one certain sizable (and very well-funded) segment that wants to fight it.

4. Every government screws up sometime...and (assuming you're completely on the up-and-up) I strongly feel that you should have the right to sue. That said, would you care to point out a nation where - given the same set of circumstances - you would be allowed to sue? There's very few such nations.

In other words, we ain't perfect, not by a long shot. But (except for the insane war on drugs) we're not that bad, either.
 
And except for the insane war department. Don't forget that one.
 
Things, such as drone policy, are done in our name. We elect... and re-elect... people to make these decisions in our name. If we keep re-electing these people who make these decisions, there is no way that we can effectively disassociate ourselves from said decisions. Our "crime" as citizens might be negligence, if you will.

I just can't ride with that, inaction isn't a crime.
 
Ask your president:

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Lame deflection. He asked you.
 
1. There's a saying: "Politics makes for strange bedfellows". One of the dirtiest facts about international relations is that sometimes - heck, even a lot of times - make friends with unsavory nations and peoples. This has been true throughout human history. The strong friendship between America and England is actually an exception to the rule in that there's few if any instances where we would turn our backs on them - but England itself certainly has feet of clay.

Obama's made some diplomatic mistakes - but his foreign policy successes are by any OBJECTIVE (i.e. non-Obama-hater's) measure are certainly greater than his foreign policy failures. And if he turned his back on Saudi Arabia, sit back and think on how that would affect our diplomatic dynamics in the region - there's no benefit (whether diplomatic or economic) at all for America by rejecting the Saudis...never mind the things that they do that are terribly wrong in our eyes.

2. Yeah, we screwed up badly when we elected Dubya, didn't we?

3. Most of America DOES want health insurance or single-payer health care for all Americans. It's just one certain sizable (and very well-funded) segment that wants to fight it.

4. Every government screws up sometime...and (assuming you're completely on the up-and-up) I strongly feel that you should have the right to sue. That said, would you care to point out a nation where - given the same set of circumstances - you would be allowed to sue? There's very few such nations.

In other words, we ain't perfect, not by a long shot. But (except for the insane war on drugs) we're not that bad, either.
1. So WHY exactly in your opinion America still deals with Saudi Arabia?
2. Yes, like Bush, like Obama, same song, different singer.
4. That nation exists in my mind. it is a ONE WORLD NATION. details are on my web site
 
What is your position on the Iranian/Palestinian terrorists war mongering axis?
If I was in charge of US, I would cut all funding not only to Palestine, but to Israel, Pakistan, all those nations. I would stop buying friends, I would instead make sure that each nation has real elections as are described on my web site
 
If I was in charge of US
, I would cut all funding not only to Palestine, but to Israel, Pakistan, all those nations. I would stop buying friends, I would instead make sure that each nation has real elections as are described on my web site




You are not in charge of U.S.

And you never will be.

Don't take my word for this, just wait and see.
 
The government of the USA represents the American people who put it in power.

Anyone who isn't happy in the USA should hit the road. Why stay where you're not happy?

The entrance to the exit is wide open.

Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you while you're on the way out.
That brings the question what are all liberals and conservatives still doing in America today? or it's ok to bash one side, but both sides no? As I understand it, most people on these forums complain non stop about these or those politicians, I merely point out that they are all right, that America in fact no longer even exists, and your advice that I hit the road, is an ancient dogs advice - they all want the other dogs to hit the road so that they stay dominant - nothing new and nothing creative my genius friend.
 
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