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Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

Should food stamps only be redeemable for bulk staples and basic ingredients?

  • Yes

    Votes: 31 52.5%
  • No

    Votes: 28 47.5%

  • Total voters
    59
I got that, but their still able to get enough food to BE overweight is my point.

Its not about the quantity of food, it is the quality. Right now they food they can afford to get is the cheapest, unhealthiest food on the shelves. That food costs less. If you want to go in a direction where people on welfare can only eat natural, healthy foods it is going to cost more. You can feed a family far cheaper from a box than from the ground.
 
Limiting what someone can and can't buy on food-stamps is not akin to thinking those on food-stamps are beneath us.The purpose of food stamps is to make sure people do not starve, not provide people with junk food, sodas and other ****.

So then would you be willing to pay more to ensure that they only get access to health foods?
 
Unfortunately many of the folks on food stamps are single parents already working two or more jobs lacking the time, and may not have the extra resources to pay for the energy to cook those meals. When I thought all on SNAP were just at home unemployed, I used to think as you do. But now with so many working poor, I don't think we can fairly force this issue.

It sounds logical but I think it can be done. With slow cookers/crock pots and entire meal can be started before work and by the time the work day is over, dinner is ready. I haven't started it yet, but I plan to experiment with one a week cooking. Cookbooks have been written to offer guidance in this method of meal preparation where once a week, such as Saturday, all the meals for an entire week are prepared. Once finished their placed in freezer to oven containers such as aluminum or glass containers and stored in the freezer. Then when its time for dinner, just grab one and heat it up in the oven.

I think food stamp recipients should not be about to buy anything unhealthy: no sugar or sugary food, no cooking oils/fats, no high fatty food, only whole gains or products containing whole grains. Interestingly, some of the most unhealthy people in America as a consequence of poor dietary choices are food stamp recipients.

I also like the idea of allowing food stamp recipients the opportunity to voluntarily join community gardening/farming co-ops funded by a portion of their food stamp allotment.
 
Unfortunately many of the folks on food stamps are single parents already working two or more jobs lacking the time, and may not have the extra resources to pay for the energy to cook those meals. When I thought all on SNAP were just at home unemployed, I used to think as you do. But now with so many working poor, I don't think we can fairly force this issue.

It really doesn't take much time or effort to cook beans and rice. So I never saw the logic in this rebuttal.

Also " pay for the energy to cook those meal" is just lulzi
 
my wife crock pots all kinds of stuff. Beans or chili is great, she makes several different kinds of stew and chicken dumplins and on and on. And the house smells great by the time we get home.
It sounds logical but I think it can be done. With slow cookers/crock pots and entire meal can be started before work and by the time the work day is over, dinner is ready. I haven't started it yet, but I plan to experiment with one a week cooking. Cookbooks have been written to offer guidance in this method of meal preparation where once a week, such as Saturday, all the meals for an entire week are prepared. Once finished their placed in freezer to oven containers such as aluminum or glass containers and stored in the freezer. Then when its time for dinner, just grab one and heat it up in the oven.

I think food stamp recipients should not be about to buy anything unhealthy: no sugar or sugary food, no cooking oils/fats, no high fatty food, only whole gains or products containing whole grains. Interestingly, some of the most unhealthy people in America as a consequence of poor dietary choices are food stamp recipients.

I also like the idea of allowing food stamp recipients the opportunity to voluntarily join community gardening/farming co-ops funded by a portion of their food stamp allotment.
 
And stores like Sam's Club and Costco that offer bulk foods don't accept SNAP.

you can buy a bag of beans (a bulk food) in almost any grocery store ...


Most of the rebuttals being offered seem more manufactured than reality based, like the above
 
Of course, this neatly overlooks the fact that obesity is caused more by poor quality food than by overeating, and the cheap foods you'd be forcing fat poor people to buy would only make them fatter.

how are beans and rice more unhealthy than a hot pocket?
 
This is such a funny issue because so many so called "Conservatives" and "Libertarians" who claim to believe in the inherent virtue of personal liberty would like to restrict it for those who require food stamps.

We are talking about state hand outs. of course people will want such managed. This isn't like the state trying to manage what an individual buys with their own resources.

Not to mention, your argument is little more than a personal attack that does nothing to address his argument or logic
 
This is such a funny issue because so many so called "Conservatives" and "Libertarians" who claim to believe in the inherent virtue of personal liberty would like to restrict it for those who require food stamps. In my state of Florida they wanted to drug test every welfare recipient and found out that virtually nobody on welfare was abusing drugs. It seems like an inherent animosity for the poor where all principle goes out the window.

Forced taxation isn't personal liberty.

Except they were using drugs. People actually took the drug test knowing they would fail, no telling how many heard of the policy and didn't want to embarrass themselves by failing.
 
Its not about the quantity of food, it is the quality. Right now they food they can afford to get is the cheapest, unhealthiest food on the shelves. That food costs less. If you want to go in a direction where people on welfare can only eat natural, healthy foods it is going to cost more. You can feed a family far cheaper from a box than from the ground.

You know, if you are just eating a cereal a day, a dollar tv dinner for lunch and maybe boxed thing for evening meal, I don't see you getting fat off of it. No matter how unhealthy it is. More often than now, health has more to do with quantity above all. After all, we need some sweets and fats in our diet. Where people get in trouble, is the amount they eat. I also know some people who do live off of food stamps, I've had to help a friend home because he had so many bags of groceries. It's probably bad of me, but when you are living off the government (i.e. living off of you and me) you shouldn't be comfortable or getting fat.
 
So my vote in this poll is Yes. We should do this.

Let's assume these folks would throw a conniption and vote No.

What do you all say?

I really don't think you care what anyone that said "no" to your question reasons would be as it seems to me that you already consider anyone on foodstamps as being self serving.
 
You know, if you are just eating a cereal a day, a dollar tv dinner for lunch and maybe boxed thing for evening meal, I don't see you getting fat off of it. No matter how unhealthy it is. More often than now, health has more to do with quantity above all. After all, we need some sweets and fats in our diet. Where people get in trouble, is the amount they eat. I also know some people who do live off of food stamps, I've had to help a friend home because he had so many bags of groceries. It's probably bad of me, but when you are living off the government (i.e. living off of you and me) you shouldn't be comfortable or getting fat.

So then that goes back to the same point I've already made. If your problem is that poor people are getting fat, and you want to limit them to only healthy foods, are you then going to be fine with the associated costs?
 
So then that goes back to the same point I've already made. If your problem is that poor people are getting fat, and you want to limit them to only healthy foods, are you then going to be fine with the associated costs?

Can't we just give them less food stamps. Less food stamps = less food right? Are food stamps set at the national or state level?
 
To be honest, I call BS on people really truly caring about the health implications. Spare me the noble concerns.

Based on the points-of-view on a variety of individuals in a cross-section of issues that I have read over time, I believe it is more a resentment that any of "their" money is being spent at all, and this is just a way to fantasize about getting some base level of retribution. A hoped for punishment.
 
So then that goes back to the same point I've already made. If your problem is that poor people are getting fat, and you want to limit them to only healthy foods, are you then going to be fine with the associated costs?

I'm actually on a very limited budget and find that I can put together e a healthy diet by buying stuff like raw veggies and fruits, beans, and meat much cheaper than most commonly bought processed foods. Surely it would take lots of time to bake my own bread, my own noodles, etc, but that would be you guys simply adopting an absurd and extremist position to ignore what is commonly meant by "unhealthy processed foods"
 
I really don't think you care what anyone that said "no" to your question reasons would be as it seems to me that you already consider anyone on foodstamps as being self serving.

It's not really a matter of what I think of the people on food stamps. There are so many that they probably run the spectrum. This isn't about judging beneficiaries. It's about the core underlying mission of the SNAP program and the most intelligent way to run the program that results in the greatest welfare gains for its beneficiaries.
 
I'm actually on a very limited budget and find that I can put together e a healthy diet by buying stuff like raw veggies and fruits, beans, and meat much cheaper than most commonly bought processed foods. Surely it would take lots of time to bake my own bread, my own noodles, etc, but that would be you guys simply adopting an absurd and extremist position to ignore what is commonly meant by "unhealthy processed foods"

You may be able to point to an item here or there that is cheaper fresh, but overall you pay for fresh. It costs more. You go and make a list of the items to make 5 full meals using fresh vegetables and meats, nothing processed and compare it to 5 meals of boxed and processed crap. That is a reality.
 
The poll question is rather basic. Should we do this? Explain why or why not.

For context, this is what currently is redeemable:
  • breads and cereals;
  • fruits and vegetables;
  • meats, fish and poultry;
  • dairy products;
  • Soft drinks, candy, cookies, snack crackers, and ice cream are food items and are therefore eligible items
  • Seafood, steak, and bakery cakes are also food items and are therefore eligible items
Source: Eligible Food Items | Food and Nutrition Service

A question you might think about that could affect your answer might be, "What is the real, core, basic purpose of food assistance programs?"

If the answer is to prevent hunger/starvation in the U.S., then I would propose that all packaged processed foods (foods with multiple ingredients listed) be excluded. That sweeps a lot of confusion off the table right there. Eligible items could include single ingredient bulk staples like rice, beans, lentils, flour, pasta, basic spices, cooking oil, even sugar, and produce, eggs, and, what the hell, even some types of meat.

That combination alone results in a panoply of food options, and minimal risk of starvation. It also mitigates starvation at the cheapest and maybe healthiest manner possible -- by putting control over the ingredients into the hands of the person receiving and preparing the food.

So my vote in this poll is Yes. We should do this.

Let's assume these folks would throw a conniption and vote No.

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What do you all say?




Excuse me for raining on your parade, but I very much doubt that this will ever happen.

IOW: This is another time-wasting thread which will accomplish nothing.
 
You may be able to point to an item here or there that is cheaper fresh, but overall you pay for fresh.

But as pointed out in my post 'fresh" isn't the only alternative here to "processed unhealthy foods" unless you want to take the absurd position we are discussing basic canned and frozen vegtables and trying to place them next to frozen pizzas and hot pockets.


It costs more. You go and make a list of the items to make 5 full meals using fresh vegetables and meats, ***nothing processed*** and compare it to 5 meals of boxed and processed crap. That is a reality.

Right, like I figured, you're adopting a rather absurd position and ignoring the general definition of "unhealthy processed foods". A definition that doesn't include stuff like jarred pasta sauce, dried noodles, and bagged bread.
 
Excuse me for raining on your parade, but I very much doubt that this will ever happen.

IOW: This is another time-wasting thread which will accomplish nothing.

I have a hidden agenda, which is to see if people might begin asking themselves who really benefits most from this social welfare program, and see if they can identify for what real reasons they would oppose improving it.
 
But as pointed out in my post 'fresh" isn't the only alternative here to "processed unhealthy foods" unless you want to take the absurd position we are discussing basic canned and frozen vegtables and trying to place them next to frozen pizzas and hot pockets.




Right, like I figured, you're adopting a rather absurd position and ignoring the general definition of "unhealthy processed foods". A definition that doesn't include stuff like jarred pasta sauce, dried noodles, and bagged bread.

Is it your belief that jarred pasta sauces, dried noodles and bagged breads are healthy?
 
Is it your belief that jarred pasta sauces, dried noodles and bagged breads are healthy?

Healthier than a hot pocket and numerous other processed foods that one can buy with food stamps? Indeed Yes, but I am assuming you want to adopt some extreme definition of "healthy" to aid your position.

I'll give a better example what we are discussing here:

Great Value: Oven-Toasted Quick Oats, 42 Oz=3.18
servings per container-30
Sodium-0
Sugar-1g


Quaker Instant Fruit & Cream Oatmeal, 10ct= 2.88
servings per container-10 (1 packet)
Sodium;190 mg
sugar-12g

See the difference?
 
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