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Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?[W:178]

Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

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Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

Dooble said:
Loving v Virginia; the insistence that all gays are born gay. You know, all the stuff your side has been clamoring about for decades, that you are conveniently ignoring right now. ;)
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Please cite the court case in the gay marriage debate in which people being born gay was brought up.
 
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Rocketman said:
We aren't talking orientation but defects as explained here. The brains of gay men are similat to the brains of straight women and the brains of gay women are similar to straight ment. Womb exposure and hormone imbalances are being studied to see what causes this DEFECT.

Gay brains structured like those of the opposite sex - life - 16 June 2008 - New Scientist
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So what's your point, people are born gay? Yes, and?
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

Rocketman said:
Post 129, can't argue with science
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nothing in post 129 factually says scientific defeat lol, try again
i ask again if you disagree simply present the factual science that says its factually a defect, should be easy right? we cant wait to read it!
 
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AGENT J said:
still nothing huh? let us know when you have any facts to support you, we'd love to read
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You don't get to have any more facts, AJ. Comprehension is your Achilles. I'm sorry.
 
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chromium said:
So what's your point, people are born gay? Yes, and?
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abnormal people yes.
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

AGENT J said:
nothing in post 129 factually says scientific defeat lol, try again
i ask again if you disagree simply present the factual science that says its factually a defect, should be easy right? we cant wait to read it!
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You have the option, you rejected science as most parts of disfunctional society will when defects are presented to them.
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

clownboy said:
Only the 10th and the fact it isn't a power granted to the feds to control in the US Constitution. The mythical "human rights" and rights granted or defined as legal rights are vastly different birds.
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The 10th was used to justify slavery. It was a "right" not granted or even mentioned in the constitution and thus reserved to the states to decide. The 14th was a "living" amendment to address state-based discrimination not only for that time period but with future issues as well.

Thus marriage is reserved to the states but the states have violated the 14th amendment and are being taken to task for it. Be grateful if every gay couple who's been deprived of marriage doesn't sue the pants out of everyone who voted for these bans, because that would be real justice.
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

clownboy said:
I'm sure that's what gets you through the day and allows you to justify the lame repitition of the "my opinions are facts" tactic. Let us know if that changes.
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translation: you cant even quote these opinions i posted and claimed as fact, i wonder why? cause as usual you lied and facts proved you wrong.

We are waiting, quote the opinions i called facts, and then prove them factually wrong should be easy since i always do it, next post ill be looking for facts and proof but it will be yet another dodge and deflection.
 
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Cardinal said:
Please cite the court case in the gay marriage debate in which people being born gay was brought up.
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We've already covered this ground, my friend. I'm not going to argue in circles with you too.
 
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Dooble said:
You don't get to have any more facts, AJ. Comprehension is your Achilles. I'm sorry.
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oh look failed insults, right on time, classic deflection 101 when a poster cant back up their failed claims

another post and facts are still winning, maybe NEXT post youll have something accurate and factual that supports your failed claims

also no apology needed for your posts being wrong, it happens
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

Rocketman said:
You have the option, you rejected science as most parts of disfunctional society will when defects are presented to them.
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quote?
facts?
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

AGENT J said:
translation:.
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Can we please get a service technician over to AJ's translation machine? It keeps filling his head with nonsense and he's beating people over the head with misinformation.
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

Dooble said:
Can we please get a service technician over to AJ's translation machine? It keeps filling his head with nonsense and he's beating people over the head with misinformation.
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another failed insult and no logical, accurate or factual support for your failed claims

I am not the topic, please stay on topic and support your post, we are waiting
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

AGENT J said:
oh look failed insults,
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no, just insights into your flawed psyche.
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

Cardinal said:
Please cite the court case in the gay marriage debate in which people being born gay was brought up.
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Even "protected class" doesn't hinge on a permanent identity, given that religious belief and pregnancy status are protected.

So even if the right wing wants to argue that sexuality is a choice, that's not sufficient do discriminate, because so is religion. The fundies just want everything catered to them and deprived of everyone they don't like.
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

chromium said:
The 10th was used to justify slavery. It was a "right" not granted or even mentioned in the constitution and thus reserved to the states to decide. The 14th was a "living" amendment to address state-based discrimination not only for that time period but with future issues as well.

Thus marriage is reserved to the states but the states have violated the 14th amendment and are being taken to task for it. Be grateful if every gay couple who's been deprived of marriage doesn't sue the pants out of everyone who voted for these bans, because that would be real justice.
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Yes it was, and rightfully so. That's why we did the right thing and amended the Constitution. There is no such thing as a "living amendment". Like the insipid "living constitution" it's a fiction that allows the federal courts to legislate.

Once again, the states have not violated the 14th, even SCOTUS agreed, until they decided to change their minds as to what the Constitution really said. Once again, legislation from the bench.
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

Tell you what, AJ. You go tell a mod that Dooble isn't bending to your stupid opinions, and I'll see you all in another six months. ;)
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

Dooble said:
no, just insights into your flawed psyche.
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more of the same, failed deflections that nobody honest, educated and objective buys, im not the topic :shrug:

the topic is gay marriage, our conversation was about sexual orientation, you claimed that one is different than the other as far as choice. please post/link/quote any facts that support this, we are waiting
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

Rocketman said:
abnormal people yes.
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this doesn't strike me as a legally valid argument for denying marriage rights, especially to people you concede have no control over their orientation

sheesh, you'd think that would be an argument for compassion, not being a huge prick about it.
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

Dooble said:
Tell you what, AJ. You go tell a mod that Dooble isn't bending to your stupid opinions, and I'll see you all in another six months. ;)
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i havent asked you to bend to any of my opinions, again your mistake :shrug:

now do you have any facts to support the failed claim that sexual orientation is different and one is chosen?
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

clownboy said:
Yes it was, and rightfully so. That's why we did the right thing and amended the Constitution. There is no such thing as a "living amendment". Like the insipid "living constitution" it's a fiction that allows the federal courts to legislate.

Once again, the states have not violated the 14th, even SCOTUS agreed, until they decided to change their minds as to what the Constitution really said. Once again, legislation from the bench.
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Please don't try and pretend that you would support SSM even with a constitutional amendment specifically protecting it.
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

chromium said:
this doesn't strike me as a legally valid argument for denying marriage rights, especially to people you concede have no control over their orientation

sheesh, you'd think that would be an argument for compassion, not being a huge prick about it.
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Agreed. If the only reason were that these folks are abnormal that's not a legal or constitutional valid argument. Normality falls on a bell curve with only a very small range in the middle being "normal".
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

chromium said:
Please don't try and pretend that you would support SSM even with a constitutional amendment specifically protecting it.
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Well, you obviously don't know me or my arguments well enough to know I would. Would I think it's wise, or support such an amendment - no. Would I support it as a constitutional right once passed - yes.
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

clownboy said:
Yes it was, and rightfully so. That's why we did the right thing and amended the Constitution. There is no such thing as a "living amendment". Like the insipid "living constitution" it's a fiction that allows the federal courts to legislate.

Once again, the states have not violated the 14th, even SCOTUS agreed, until they decided to change their minds as to what the Constitution really said. Once again, legislation from the bench.
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What language, exactly, in the 14th amendment leads you believe that it applies to matters of race and not sexual orientation? I see the phrase "any person" without any qualifiers.
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

clownboy said:
Well, you obviously don't know me or my arguments well enough to know I would. Would I think it's wise, or support such an amendment - no. Would I support it as a constitutional right once passed - yes.
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Then explain why the 14th applies to interracial marriage but not SSM
 
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