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What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

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Henrin said:
It's immoral to commit murder.
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No kidding. Killing, since you're quoting the Bible, is not the same thing as murdering. The distinction between the two was lost in the King James translation.
 
humbolt said:
Actually, I have no idea how many are innocent. Perhaps you do. Now, if you want to discuss what's cowardly, talk to the man who said he was going to take care of the issue 5 years ago, and has done nothing. It's a sticky problem. Too sticky for the president. Nobody wants innocents held, but the problem has been allowed to linger for far too long. If you think they all deserve trials, then I suppose it would be fine for them to be conducted "where you are now".
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They could hold trials right next door to where I live...ABSOLUTELY fine with me.

You see, unlike many sadly, honor and justice for all means more to me then fear/anxiety.

Better to die as a hero then to live as a coward...MUCH better, imo.


'Better to be dead and cool. Then alive and uncool.'

(ficticious) Harley Davidson
 
humbolt said:
No kidding. Killing, since you're quoting the Bible, is not the same thing as murdering. The distinction between the two was lost in the King James translation.
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Is it not good to avoid killing?
 
DA60 said:
They could hold trials right next door to where I live...ABSOLUTELY fine with me.

You see, unlike many sadly, honor and justice for all means more to me then fear/anxiety.

Better to die as a hero then to live as a coward...MUCH better, imo.


'Better to be dead and cool. Then alive and uncool.'

(ficticious) Harley Davidson
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If your dead how cool you are or even how honorably you lived won't matter. Dead is dead.
 
Henrin said:
When I was younger I advocated your position. I'm older now and I can't remember why I ever agreed with it. What I do know is that a protector of men that has the power to kill men unilaterally is no protector of anyone. They're just another mindless killer of men and a threat to all mankind.
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Well I'm not so young either. I'm not advocating generic killing. I'm advocating killing specific people who would murder without regard to innocence and without remorse, and we know it - it is not mindless. I'll tell you what is mindless though. Mindless is encompassed in those who twist religion into a justification for wanton murder on a grand scale wherever and whenever they can in furtherance of subjugation. Some of those detained are the same as the fellow recently mentioned in a thread here who ate the heart of a dead victim. Ask yourself if you want to loose those people on innocent humans somewhere on this planet. I don't.
 
humbolt said:
No kidding. Killing, since you're quoting the Bible, is not the same thing as murdering. The distinction between the two was lost in the King James translation.
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Yes, it's almost always immoral to kill just as well. Your little distinction argument doesn't mean that much really.
 
If they havent been charged with anything (the vast majority of them havent) then release them back to their home countries.
 
Release them, claiming that the Obama administration believes their detention was illegal, they were mistreated, etc. People will believe this.



Then they go back home.



Then they rejoin their terrorist buddies.



Then the drones follow the tracking devices we secretly implanted and blow them and all their idiot friends into tiny little pieces.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
If they havent been charged with anything (the vast majority of them havent) then release them back to their home countries.
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They are enemy combatants captured in the field of war out of uniform. Justly they could've been shot and killed immediately. They are lucky they were captured and not killed. They should remain prisoners of War until the war is over.
 
DA60 said:
They could hold trials right next door to where I live...ABSOLUTELY fine with me.

You see, unlike many sadly, honor and justice for all means more to me then fear/anxiety.

Better to die as a hero then to live as a coward...MUCH better, imo.


'Better to be dead and cool. Then alive and uncool.'

(ficticious) Harley Davidson
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I recommend your house then. I have no fear for myself. I am not an innocent human. Honor and justice, even for those who know no such thing, is a fine sentiment. If he was still with us, I'd explain that to the little boy that got blown up at the finish line in Boston.
 
Slyhunter said:
They are enemy combatants captured in the field of war out of uniform. Justly they could've been shot and killed immediately. They are lucky they were captured and not killed. They should remain prisoners of War until the war is over.
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Really? Then why arent they charged with anything? Why are these guys "so dangerous" which makes them more than just "enemy combatants"? Why if they are so dangerous why arent they charged with anything?
 
humbolt said:
I recommend your house then. I have no fear for myself. I am not an innocent human. Honor and justice, even for those who know no such thing, is a fine sentiment. If he was still with us, I'd explain that to the little boy that got blown up at the finish line in Boston.
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Maybe you could sort of do the same thing by trying it with his parents.


Do not do that. If you do that you deserve to be beaten into a bloody mess.
 
humbolt said:
I recommend your house then. I have no fear for myself. I am not an innocent human. Honor and justice, even for those who know no such thing, is a fine sentiment. If he was still with us, I'd explain that to the little boy that got blown up at the finish line in Boston.
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To me, the ends NEVER justify the means.

If America can only survive by abandoning due process, the Bill of Rights, honor, and freedom...then let it die.


I am done discussing this with you...we have already stated our positions...further discussion is waste of time (to me).
 
Slyhunter said:
They are enemy combatants captured in the field of war out of uniform. Justly they could've been shot and killed immediately. They are lucky they were captured and not killed. They should remain prisoners of War until the war is over.
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How do you engage in a war against an idea and how do you end it? Is the best way to fight a war against an idea with guns? You will engage in war against an idea that could be shared by many different people from all around the world. How do you fight that? You would need to treat every person of the world as a threat to even begin to fight it. Wait..is that what we are doing? Oh right, it is.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Really? Then why arent they charged with anything? Why are these guys "so dangerous" which makes them more than just "enemy combatants"? Why if they are so dangerous why arent they charged with anything?
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Dude you don't charge enemies in a war for crimes. Would you have us charge all of Germany's army for murder or whatever when we captured them during WWII? What kind of loopy ass world do you live in?
 
Henrin said:
Yes, it's almost always immoral to kill just as well. Your little distinction argument doesn't mean that much really.
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It isn't my little distinction. The commandment in the Bible properly translated is "Thou shalt not murder." Killing is a fact of war, sadly. War used to be somewhat different than the modern conception concocted by those who prefer not to be targets but have identified every one else as such, and particularly and especially those who lack the means to defend themselves. These are the combatants that hide in schools, churches, behind women and children, and even target them specifically when it serves their purpose.
 
ecofarm said:
Even with collateral.
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:( Sometimes. It is a great boon of technology that we are able to minimize those times as much as possible, and an unfortunate side effect that public expectations of our ability to do so have increased even more than our ability.
 
DA60 said:
To me, the ends NEVER justify the means.

If America can only survive by abandoning due process, the Bill of Rights, honor, and freedom...then let it die.


I am done discussing this with you...we have already stated our positions...further discussion is waste of time (to me).
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So in the end you and your family won't be one of the survivors in this world unless someone protects you from your enemies for you.
 
Henrin said:
How do you engage in a war against an idea and how do you end it? Is the best way to fight a war against an idea with guns?
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You exterminate those out to exterminate you. Islam is at war with us. And playing cops and robbers won't stop them.
 
goddam?
 
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