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Duck Dynasty

Select what represents your view?

  • I don't agree with Phil's comments and he had no right saying it.

    Votes: 4 3.8%

  • I don't agree with Phil's comment's but defend his right to say it.

    Votes: 41 39.4%

  • I agree with Phil's comments and defend his right to say it.

    Votes: 26 25.0%

  • A&E had no right to suspend Phil.

    Votes: 3 2.9%

  • A&E has a right to suspend Phil but I don't agree with it.

    Votes: 44 42.3%

  • A&E has a right to suspend Phil and I agree with it.

    Votes: 26 25.0%

  • It's a question of "freedom of speech" and very important.

    Votes: 13 12.5%

  • Phil's beard is too weird, which makes him a slave to fame.

    Votes: 12 11.5%
  • Total voters
    104
  • Poll closed .
LaMidRighter said:
They are business men with their own brand of hunting gear, most notably the Duck Commander calls, I think the uncle is the only one who didn't go to college but did serve in 'Nam. They aren't stupid or uneducated people by any stretch of the imagination.
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Yeah, I really think he doesn't give a quack quack.....lol

I've seen some fairly successful and educated people who I wouldn't let clean my pool.
 
grip said:
You can say I don't personally like homosexuality or believe it's inline with the bible without getting such a reaction. It's when you make comparisons with animals, reference to body parts and accusatory opinions that it opens up.
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I read the context of what he said, he was just giving out examples of biblical sin, in fact he mentioned straight people living in sin in the same sentence, along with prostitution. He also said he isn't to judge anyone and "let god sort 'em out" when their time comes. Agree or disagree I've seen much worse come with far fewer consequences.
 
grip said:
Yeah, I really think he doesn't give a quack quack.....lol

I've seen some fairly successful and educated people who I wouldn't let clean my pool.
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Myself. :lol:

These folks are pretty bright though, they do things themselves for the most part and show practical intelligence rather than the theoretical intelligence that always fails in a highly comical way. That said I've never seen an episode but know a bit about their story, I am more offended at groups(pick an ideology) that seek to silence people they don't agree with. I was as pissed off at the Christian lady who threatened "Married With Children" as I am with people attacking Phil Robertson. In any of these cases of attacking their advertisers and television carriers it's simply a bully tactic.

The Dixie Chicks, I never felt sorry for as they went out of their way to make an unsolicited statement, they attacked their own core audience.
 
Gardener said:
Your first sentence explained it better than your second.

He is getting so much support because those in his white trash demographic take the reaction to his ignorant comments as an assault on one of their own.
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Actually, I support him because I love giving a big "**** you" to people who want to bully their opposition into silence. I am not particularly religious as a Catholic but know what he is referring to, just not my business what others choose to do with their lives, that said, if someone wants my opinion on something I will give it, and if people don't like it, well, that's fine.
 
a351 said:
That would be a yes. A&E is a secular network and doesn't appreciate its employees using their platform of fame to spread their religious beliefs. Explicitly religious employers would and should have similar expectations.
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I don't know on which thread I posted the link to TMZ's commentary, but A&E knew what it was getting into with Phil Robertson a long time ago. And surely has been delighted about the revenue and the popularity of the show. I agree with Scott Collins that "the particular problem for the TV industry is that it's trying to profit off the same cultural tensions it's exploiting."

'Duck Dynasty' backlash spotlights an uneasy reality in TV industry - latimes.com
 
Phil Robertson has an absolute right to say whatever he wants and I would defend his right to do so. He does NOT, however, have the right to be free of the consequences that his speech brings.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Good evening V1.1 - in case I don't see you again before next week, I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and a happy, healthy, and prosperous new year.
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Good evening jcj. I wish the same to you and your family as well...
 
a351 said:
And? Insurance companies are required to offer contraceptives as part of their coverage. Hobby Lobby wishes to provide healthcare for their employees yet wish to whittle down the contents to suit their personal religious agenda. That's the issue at play here.
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Insurance companies do not provide benefits, employers do...
 
ttwtt78640 said:
My point was that the sexual attraction is not the sin, but the sexual act is. Where that sexual act is committed is of no importance at all.
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I beg to differ. Do that or any sexual act in public and that becomes a public matter, sometimes involving the police, charges, a prosecutor, and a judge.:lol:
 
tacomancer said:
Its truly saddening how so many people here don't actually understand how free speech works.

Social consequences for an unpopular opinion does not impede free speech.
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However, using "social pressure" in an attempt to ruin the speaker's life has a chilling effect that can go both ways. Shutting people up because you don't like their speech? Better hope you can maintain that pressure, because the argument can always swing the other way.:peace
 
LaMidRighter said:
I beg to differ. Do that or any sexual act in public and that becomes a public matter, sometimes involving the police, charges, a prosecutor, and a judge.:lol:
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I was referring to the sin, not the application of government "morality" laws.
 
How many Duck Dynasty threads do we need??
With the faux outrage from Cruz and Palin, maybe we should give Duck his own forum, like we did Obamacare/ACA..
Or his own sub-forum like we did Zimmerman
 
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grip said:
I'm not sure he'd say it quite the same way. The Robertson's don't appear unintelligent and there may have been a more diplomatic way to get an opinion across.
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It doesn't matter how he said it, this still would have happened.
 
Dragonfly said:
People should stop watching A&E, but not because they've SUSPENDED the duck dynasty dude, people should stop watching A&E because they hired those idiots in the first place.

As for the question really at hand -

You have the right to say what you want.
People then have the right to react to it.
The consequences for the things you have the right to say truly do exist.

Do the capitalist freedom lovers here believe people that own and operate businesses shouldn't be able to hire and fire people in a manner that's thought best for their particular business?

Should a business owner not be able to fire somebody who negatively effects their business?
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Do you think what Phil said will negatively affect A&E?
 
This whole thing seems like a tempest in a teapot to me.
 
a351 said:
That would be a yes. A&E is a secular network and doesn't appreciate its employees using their platform of fame to spread their religious beliefs. Explicitly religious employers would and should have similar expectations.
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The explicit religious beliefs are an integral part of this show, so why wouldn't the network expect the man to actually have these beliefs outside of the show?
 
He has every right to say whatever he wants but that doesn't mean there are no consequences to saying it. Freedom of speech does not include freedom from consequences. He was an idiot, but let's be honest, this is all just a publicity scam to get more people to watch Duck Dynasty. The suspension won't last.
 
Dragonfly said:
A lot depends on their sponsors.

Which I'm sure A&E has a much better grasp on than we do.
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Yes they do but what percentage of the population is the gay community and what percentage of the population are hard core Christians?

Do you think gays buy anything that is advertised on the Duck Dynasty show.
 
Mason66 said:
Yes they do but what percentage of the population is the gay community and what percentage of the population are hard core Christians?

Do you think gays buy anything that is advertised on the Duck Dynasty show.
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I doubt there's much overlap between the gay community and the DD audience.:peace
 
Jack Hays said:
I doubt there's much overlap between the gay community and the DD audience.:peace
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Exactly. A&E suspended Phil because of a few whiners but the majority of the audience, that actually buy the sponsors items don't matter.

I doubt A&E even thought this through.
 
Mason66 said:
Exactly. A&E suspended Phil because of a few whiners but the majority of the audience, that actually buy the sponsors items don't matter.

I doubt A&E even thought this through.
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Maybe they will soon have an :A HA! revelation concerning action and reaction?

Greetings, Mason66. :2wave:
 
I'm just shocked at the supposed "shock and awe" of the media towards his comments. What on earth did you expect him to say about Gays/Gay Marriage? To me, it's clearly a slow day in the newsroom and so they need someone to crucify. He can say whatever he wants and A&E has the right to suspend him for exercising that right. I'm just happy the guy has owned up to what he's said and hasn't chickened out -- people like that are a good thing far as having an actual opinion goes. But, common sense has no place in this little crusade by a certain slew of liberals. From what I can tell, that fella ain't budging. It all falls on A&E now, who somehow had no idea what they signed up for in starting this show.

Gardener said:
I don't care whether they fired him or not, but it sure does give stupid people who share his views an opportunity to whine like little children that he is some sort of victim when he was the one attempting to spread the sort of hate that victimizes others.
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The only folks whining like little children are the ones trying to crucify him for all this. And from what I know, he wasn't spreading some wave of hate, rather just his views. He wasn't pulling some Westboro Baptist Church nonsense. Carry on though.
 
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