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Is this Sexual harrassment?

Is this Sexual harrassment?

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nota bene said:
McNair has had other disciplinary problems, and I'd be interested in knowing what they were. He says they weren't about sexual harassment.

Did the teacher document the warning she says she gave? (Or at least tell colleagues?)

Here's a link to the school's PPM: Gwinnett County Public Schools Policies and Procedures
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I notice there is a sexual harassment policy for staff but I didn't notice anything mentioned for students. It's probably in the parent/student handbook.
 
ChrisL said:
I notice there is a sexual harassment policy for staff but I didn't notice anything mentioned for students. It's probably in the parent/student handbook.
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IMHO, walking up behind someone and grabbing them like this is not sexual harassment, it's sexual assault.
 
OscarB63 said:
IMHO, walking up behind someone and grabbing them like this is not sexual harassment, it's sexual assault.
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Well, like I said, I'm not sure where the law draws the line between harassment and assault in these situations, but you could be right.
 
The punishment seems over the top for me. It wasn't like he went back in after she pushed him, and it looked like she had a smile on her face. Not a smile that she liked it, but a smile that said, ''boy go somewhere with that''. So now he will most likely end up a statistic and drop out of school all together! Then again, a 6yo boy got suspended for kissing his peer on the hand. Geesh!
 
TurtleDude said:
was it motivated by an anti female animus? I think not
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Well I thought that if someone made it clear they didn't want a person to touch them in a certain way and the behavior continued that was some kind of assault or harassment, maybe not sexual though. Am I wrong?
 
ChrisL said:
Well I thought that if someone made it clear they didn't want a person to touch them in a certain way and the behavior continued that was some kind of assault or harassment, maybe not sexual though. Am I wrong?
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some touching is construed to be sexual in nature. If a man were to deliberately squeeze a woman's breast or reach under her skirt and squeeze her crotch that would almost certainly be deemed to be sexual in nature. However, in a case I consulted on-two females working in the PO -a supervisor and a subordinate, got into an altercation. The craft worker claimed she was the victim of a "lesbian attack" because the supervisor put her hands on the employee's breasts. Evidence showed that the boss was being berated by the worker and the worker was "in her face" and the supervisor merely pushed the irate worker away and that push resulted in open hands hitting the breasts of the worker. The court dismissed the claim finding there was no evidence of a sex based action
 
TurtleDude said:
some touching is construed to be sexual in nature. If a man were to deliberately squeeze a woman's breast or reach under her skirt and squeeze her crotch that would almost certainly be deemed to be sexual in nature. However, in a case I consulted on-two females working in the PO -a supervisor and a subordinate, got into an altercation. The craft worker claimed she was the victim of a "lesbian attack" because the supervisor put her hands on the employee's breasts. Evidence showed that the boss was being berated by the worker and the worker was "in her face" and the supervisor merely pushed the irate worker away and that push resulted in open hands hitting the breasts of the worker. The court dismissed the claim finding there was no evidence of a sex based action
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And hugging from behind, such as in this particular case, and nuzzling the neck, as is alleged, wouldn't be?
 
ChrisL said:
And hugging from behind, such as in this particular case, and nuzzling the neck, as is alleged, wouldn't be?
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I saw the tape. I don't think it was clear
 
TurtleDude said:
I saw the tape. I don't think it was clear
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I would think that would some type of harassment, if someone is hugging you at your workplace against your will? Whether that be a student or whomever. :) That's just my opinion of course. I'm not a lawyer. That's why I'm asking.
 
ChrisL said:
I would think that would some type of harassment, if someone is hugging you at your workplace against your will? Whether that be a student or whomever. :) That's just my opinion of course. I'm not a lawyer. That's why I'm asking.
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there are many unanswered questions that have to be resolved

was this something that happened before

had the teacher made it clear this attention was unwanted

for example, if you and I are coworkers and I ask you out for a date and you say NO because you are busy a second request later on will normally not be seen as harassment

if I ask you out and you make it clear that you aren't interested then subsequent requests could be seen as creating a hostile work environment
 
TurtleDude said:
there are many unanswered questions that have to be resolved

was this something that happened before

had the teacher made it clear this attention was unwanted

for example, if you and I are coworkers and I ask you out for a date and you say NO because you are busy a second request later on will normally not be seen as harassment

if I ask you out and you make it clear that you aren't interested then subsequent requests could be seen as creating a hostile work environment
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God, you lawyers can never give a straight answer. :mrgreen:
 
ChrisL said:
God, you lawyers can never give a straight answer. :mrgreen:
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I should have said the following

I am without knowledge sufficient to address the factual assertions in your question and therefore deny the same!
 
TurtleDude said:
I should have said the following

I am without knowledge sufficient to address the factual assertions in your question and therefore deny the same!
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:rofl Okay, that's better. Thanks a lot.
 
If she warned him about it before, then I don't see how someone inappropriately touching them from behind - after being warned about it in the past - is going to brighten their day.
 
justabubba said:
teacher said she had admonished the student about his hugging behavior before
kid did the crime. now to pay the fine
mom can always send him to school in another district so that he can graduate on time
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When hugging becomes a crime
and when we have zero tolerance
I am from a much happier time
The 50s, we had problems, real problems..
But not this sick extremism....hatred and fear...of what ??
 
Superfly said:
It doesn't matter what we consider sexual harassment. It's what the school district considers sexual harassment, and obviously, and grown student, coming up behind a teacher and hugging her, even after she's warned him about it before, constitutes sexual harassment.
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This is proof that few, very few of us make good judges..
Of course, he should not do this - as stated....maybe a slapped face is in order..
We must STOP living in fear !
What I see here is minor harrassment....
 
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The kid should have been charged with assault.
 
earthworm said:
This is proof that few, very few of us make good judges..
Of course, he should not do this - as stated....maybe a slapped face is in order..
We must STOP living in fear !
What I see here is minor harrassment....[/QUOTE]

Never heard of it.
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But Navy, slapping someone is also an assault.
 
I guess I better not try this:

[video=youtube;aNd2OIO6BLg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aNd2OIO6BLg[/video]

[video=youtube;aPybaGG3Ozk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aPybaGG3Ozk[/video]
 
Did you notice that the kids were in a mall rather than a school?
 
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