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One way trip to Mars

Would you take a one way trip to Mars

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    Votes: 16 32.7%

  • Are you freamin insane?

    Votes: 33 67.3%
  • Total voters
    49
joko104 said:
You responded to no actual tangible issues. Just now spouting generic slogans.

Yes, there are plenty of people willing to risk destroying all life on earth for their project. Yes, there are plenty of people who think their idea must be done and everything else stopped to do it. People that fixate, brain fever, on one thing and that - only that - matters.

Slogans are nothing, they are lazy thinking. Nothing else. I could list all sorts of really cool things to spend trillions on for the adventure of discovery. Adds up to nothing.

Simple realities:
1. The oceans, here, on Earth, are not 10% explored. They offer fabulous amounts of mineral resources and are essential to human life. The oceans are slowly dying. They die, we die. Much of our oxygen originates there, as does much of even land-based food.
2. The Earth is not well managed in usage. Call it efficiency or call it harvesting, the same thing.

Both those would be MASSIVE undertakings. To me, it is absurd to ignore and neglect scientific development towards Earth, while exploring a dead planet 35 million miles away as astronomical costs and in a manner just to have people walk on it because walking on Mars is cool. Not for a moment have you given ANY reason this can not be done more effectively, successfully, cheaply and permanently remotely by robotic probes.

All you are writing is "wouldn't it be super cool if we put a space station on Mars" - and then you prove it with generic slogans that could be applied to any of a million potential ideas.

And yes, I'm being hostile. I'm hostile to the climate change fanatics too. My response? "NO! ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF OUR OCEANS BEING POISONED AND KILLED FIRST!" But there are no big graft-bucks to be made at it, no taxes to be collected from it, and no mega-costly projects to skim money off of.

My "hostility" is real in the sense of "take care of Earth first. Fully explore Earth first, before playing Buck Rogers and Captain Kirk."
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No one says that we cannot do both. Again, there is simply no reason for the hostility here.

Why do you object so strongly to other people taking risks that you are either unwilling, or unable, to take yourself? It's doesn't affect you in the slightest one way or another.

Frankly, your stodgy type makes up the majority in most societies anyway. The adventure prone are always a minority.

Buck Ewer said:
It didn't work out for the native Americans so good.
He was a problem for them.
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"**** happens." :shrug:

Your argument doesn't even make sense here anyway, as there is no one to oppress or exploit in space. It is virgin territory, free for the taking.
 
Gathomas88 said:
I'm sorry, but I find these kinds of attitudes patently hilarious. If everyone thought like this, we would've never even left Africa, let alone gone on to become the dominant species on this planet.

When in the heck did we become a society of, for lack of a better word, "Hobbits?" Why's everyone so risk of adverse?

Where's your sense of adventure, people!? :lol:
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The OP said this will happen in a couple of years.

That would be a suicide mission. The technology isn't anywhere near ready to go, so yes my comments were accurate.
 
I like your point Joko about where are they willing to take the trillions from to pay for this pipe dream to mars. Scientific research? Healthcare? Defense? Food production?
Just because they got a hard-on watching Star Trek as kids they think we have to go somewhere else, just because we can.
To boldly go where no man... blah blah blah...while home planet needs some tender loving care right here right now.
A colony in the Sahara would not need to bring air or cosmic ray protection and the trip and support missions there would be a tiny fraction of the cost. Who knows what we could learn about expanding the habitability of our home turf? Who knows what riches could be discovered at the bottom of the Marianas trench if we dared to dive that deep and take a really good look?
But there is no sense in trying to teach pragmatism to the starry eyed science fantasy dreamers.
They all want to beam up with Kirk and Spock...:lamo:lamo
 
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Mason66 said:
The OP said this will happen in a couple of years.

That would be a suicide mission. The technology isn't anywhere near ready to go, so yes my comments were accurate.
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If it's unrealistic, it won't happen. Again, I fail to see the problem.

Buck Ewer said:
I like your point Joko about where are they willing to take the trillions from to pay for this pipe dream to mars. Scientific research? Healthcare? Defense? Food production?
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Who says that it has to be "taken" from anywhere? This is a private venture we are talking about here, not a public trust.
 
Buck Ewer said:
I like your point Joko about where are they willing to take the trillions from to pay for this pipe dream to mars. Scientific research? Healthcare? Defense? Food production?
Just because they got a hard-on watching star trek as kids they think we have to go somewhere else, just because we can.
To boldly go where no man... blah blah blah...while home planet needs some tender loving care right here right now.
A colony in the Sahara would not need to bring air or cosmic ray protection and the trip there would be a tiny fraction of the cost. Who knows what we could learn about expanding our home turf?
But there is no sense in trying to teach pragmatism to the starry eyed sci-fi dreamers.
They all want to beam up with Kirk and Spock...:lamo:lamo
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You are right. Who knows what is under all that sand.

Maybe somebody should find out
 
Goshin said:
Negativity and can't-do-ism, the driving force for progress for all the human race. Oh, no, wait...
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Being sober isn't so bad.
 
Gathomas88 said:
If it's unrealistic, it won't happen. Again, I fail to see the problem.



Who says that it has to be "taken" from anywhere? This is a private venture we are talking about here, not a public trust.
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It will be taken from somewhere, private or public, but the money will be spent here on Earth so the money will be back in the economy, but we don't know where.
 
"**** happens."

Your argument doesn't even make sense here anyway, as there is no one to oppress or exploit in space. It is virgin territory, free for the taking.
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I didn't bring up Columbus. I just wanted to let it be known that he was an exploitative idiot asshole ... not the brave hero some would like to paint him as.
 
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Mason66 said:
It will be taken from somewhere, private or public, but the money will be spent here on Earth so the money will be back in the economy, but we don't know where.
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Exactly. At the very worst, even a failed project could still provide employment for thousands.

It could also serve to advance technologies and fields of study which could prove to be useful in other areas of our society.
 
Buck Ewer said:
I didn't bring up Columbus. I just wanted to let it be known that he was an exploitative idiot asshole ... not a brave hero.
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All explorers before and after were the same.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I'm sure there are a few people in this forum that wish I would sign up for this but really I just can't imagine. Apparently there is no shortage of applicants though. Beats the hell outa me why.


"An ambitious project that aims to send volunteers on a one-way trip to Mars unveiled plans for the first private unmanned mission to the Red Planet Tuesday, a robotic vanguard to human colonization that will launch in 2018.

Mars One
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invited anyone over age 18 to apply to be an astronaut. About 165,000 people answered the first call for applications, which closed at the end of August. There will be four rounds of selection before the finalists are chosen.


Mars One unveils first stage of plan to colonize Red Planet | Fox News


EDIT: FREAKIN insane :lol:
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personally i would want to go to maybe the second colony to the planet. The first will just be getting started and will be like a test prep for the second, and will likely have alot of problems.
 
Buck Ewer said:
I like your point Joko about where are they willing to take the trillions from to pay for this pipe dream to mars. Scientific research? Healthcare? Defense? Food production?
Just because they got a hard-on watching Star Trek as kids they think we have to go somewhere else, just because we can.
To boldly go where no man... blah blah blah...while home planet needs some tender loving care right here right now.
A colony in the Sahara would not need to bring air or cosmic ray protection and the trip and support missions there would be a tiny fraction of the cost. Who knows what we could learn about expanding the habitability of our home turf? Who knows what riches could be discovered at the bottom of the Marianas trench if we dared to dive that deep and take a really good look?
But there is no sense in trying to teach pragmatism to the starry eyed science fantasy dreamers.
They all want to beam up with Kirk and Spock...:lamo:lamo
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That's my point.

A person let's their home go to hell, a real rat-trap. Leaking roof, termites, plumbing leaking, a/c out, carpet rotted thru, yard dead but for weeds, and the lack of maintenance causing quicker deterioration. All this in part for laziness, in part for being a daydream always pursuing some other project and in part or lack of money for all spent on daydreaming and other projects...

For which the person decides, "you know what would be really cool? Let' finance a beach front house in San Diego. Sure, the payments will be huge, but we'll make them somehow. Then sometimes we can get out of this rat-trap and go stay there on holidays and for vacation. That'd be great!"

And the wife says: "Why can't we FIRST fix up our house?! We can't afford to buy a beach front house in San Diego anyway. Why won't you just FIX OUR HOME!"

Husband: "Where's your spirit of adventure? Your hope for the future? Can't you see us spending Christmas on our beautiful beach in San Diego! Why do you have to always be so negative! So down on everything? Plus we can rent it out when not there and MAKE money on it! I'm certain of it. The realtor who'd get his commission told me so.""

That's what we're reading here. Total neglect of what must be attended to and can be done, for a pipe dream to avoid those obligations and necessities.

It annoys me, greatly, because there are a great many things that need be done, plus very real usable scientific, medical, engineering, physics and even astrophysics research going on, and there is no extra $$$ laying around for a multi-trillion dollar space project that is premature at least by a couple decades.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
No one says that we cannot do both. Again, there is simply no reason for the hostility here.

Why do you object so strongly to other people taking risks that you are either unwilling, or unable, to take yourself? It's doesn't affect you in the slightest one way or another.

Frankly, your stodgy type makes up the majority in most societies anyway. The adventure prone are always a minority.



"**** happens." :shrug:

Your argument doesn't even make sense here anyway, as there is no one to oppress or exploit in space. It is virgin territory, free for the taking.
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You brought up Columbus and declared it was great for Western civilization. Since you trivial literal genocide of entire races of people and mass slaughter in South, Central and North America, there is nothing to say other than again stating that Columbus did not sail off just to see what was out there. He sailed for India - and failed. In addition to mass genocide and extinctions of human races - a OK with you apparently - the result also was many, many wars.

The Americas was going nowhere and America was already inhabited. So really what you are congratulating is mass genocide, extinctions and wars that benefited your race at the expense of others - and - to be specific - including mine. "Your Western Civilization" warred and slaughtered my people - although technically mine were the only ones to never surrender (to this day) nor defeated. So "Columbus" is the LEAST persuasive example you can give to me.

Notably, you ignored the dangers of biological contamination devastating life on earth, including human life - but then you have made it clear extinction of humans doesn't matter to you. Only the thrill of risk-taking. And if that risks killing everyone and everything it's even better, because what a THRILLING risk that is, huh?

It is not "stodgy" for my taking the position of save our planet, care for our planet, and harvest from our planet first. However, since you seem to not care about the prospect of mass death or even extinction of the human race, there's not much response to give. There is another member of the forum who also has no problem with the extinction of the human race (for being disorderly, not for the sake of curiousity and visions of somehow obtaining vast wealth out-there - like a crazed gold prospect certain there's gold to be had for free in California where everyone supposedly gets rich.)

You don't have a plan. You have a movie script, like thousands of other movie scripts about space.
 
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joko104 said:
You brought up Columbus and declared it was great for Western civilization. Since you trivial literal genocide of entire races of people and mass slaughter in South, Central and North America, there is nothing to say other than again stating that Columbus did not sail off just to see what was out there. She sailed for India - and failed. In addition to mass genocide and extinctions of human races - a OK with you apparently - the result also was many, many wars.
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And created the United States in the process. I'd call that a win. :roll:

I also didn't bring up Columbus, one of you guys did.

As I already told Buck, the simple fact of the matter here is that the analogy you are trying to make doesn't work. We know just as much about "where we are going" as Columbus ever did, and are just as likely to accomplish things we might not have intended to do when originally setting off.

There also aren't any Native Americans to oppress in space, so that whole self-righteously indignant line of dialogue is a non-starter from the word go.

Cut the nonsense. This whole tangent is a poorly thought out red herring and you know it.

You don't have a plan. You have a movie script, like thousands of other movie scripts about space.
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No, you have no plan. You simply want to stand still for all eternity and get pissy when anyone else tries to pass you by.

I'm sorry, but the fact of the matter is that people are simply going to ignore your impotent protestations and keep moving forward anyway whether you like it or not. :shrug:
 
JJB3333 said:
personally i would want to go to maybe the second colony to the planet. The first will just be getting started and will be like a test prep for the second, and will likely have alot of problems.
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Now there's a thinking man!:lol:
 
Gathomas88 said:
And created the United States in the process. I'd call that a win. :roll:

I also didn't bring up Columbus, one of you guys did.

As I already told Buck, the simple fact of the matter here is that the analogy you are trying to make doesn't work. We know just as much about "where we are going" as Columbus ever did, and are just as likely to accomplish things we might not have intended to do when originally setting off.

There also aren't any Native Americans to oppress in space, so that whole self-righteously indignant line of dialogue is a non-starter from the word go.

Cut the nonsense. This whole tangent is a poorly thought out red herring and you know it.



No, you have no plan. You simply want to stand still for all eternity and get pissy when anyone else tries to pass you by.

I'm sorry, but the fact of the matter is that people are simply going to ignore your impotent protestations and keep moving forward anyway whether you like it or not. :shrug:
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You are mistaken. The space program is not accelerating along the lines of putting humans in space. Astrophysics will continue on its evolution past that. Science and technology is going to continue at breakneck speed in real directions, not kindergarten science pipedreams - no matter how hard you stomp your feet in protest.
 
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Fiddytree said:
Coffee and liquor apparently works a decent amount if you can convince people around you you are good ;)
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I am good, at nothing... that is why I drink.
 
joko104 said:
Newt Gingrich proposed a space station on Mars - and was laughed out of the race..
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The human race or the space race? Not the horse race!!
 
And created the United States in the process. I'd call that a win
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Created the United states????
Columbus no more created the United States than Evil Knievel "created" The Snake River Canyon.
He fell into it in a failed attempt to get to the other side missing his goal by a factor of at least 4.
A lost Italian, sailing for a Spanish Queen, looking for Asia, bumps into Cuba and "created " the USA?... WOW!
WTF have you been smoking?:lamo:lamo:lamo:roll: Washington and Jefferson must be revolving in their graves :lamo
I've heard it all now...
 
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