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One way trip to Mars

Would you take a one way trip to Mars

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You have 2 options. If you believe that a "god" designed us, then any other life forms that god created might be completely different than us.

But, if you believe we evolved from bacteria (and we behave like bacteria sometimes) then the bi-pedal model is very likely. Look how complicated we are. Look at your hands and feet, all those bones and all in instant contact with your brain. This took millions of years.

So, I suspect that our out-planet brothers and sisters are fairly similar in construction with adjustments for their gravity level. We may be ugly, but our design is quite clever and explicable.

Now, are there hive-minds and energy-beings. I sure hope so but likely everyone is just as wonderfully simple and complex as we are. And I think there are lots of them, in various tages of development. In 1000 years, we won't look like we do now but the principle will remain the same.

I suppose. I could be wrong.

Now, if this is a god design, we might find terrific variances since god would not want all its eggs in our one basket.

Suggested reading on this topic: Amazon.com: Midnight at the Well of Souls (Audible Audio Edition): Jack L. Chalker, Peter Macon: Books

Cool, something else to think about.
 
Yeah, look at those morons who went to the moon. And lived to tell about it.

It';s more like population expansion. Now, does the universe need more humans? I guess that's a POV thing.

You are really trying to compare the moon and mars?

Didn't your OP say it was a one way trip?

That would mean the first people going there would have to build living quarters with no resources and no air.

I think that is the definition of stupid.
 
Man's trips to the Moon were on TV and this will also be televised and recorded.

You actually answered that seriously? I don't know what to say.
 
How to experience life on Mars.

1. Go in your house or apartment.
2. Stay there.

You are now experiencing living on a station in Mars.

To experience the trip, piles lots of food and water in a walk-in closet with a porta potty and potty bags. Go stay in it for 6 months. You are now traveling to Mars. Nothing is more exciting that a total void. :lol:

It is amazing for anyone to actually think that while we can't collectively manage earth, we could do so on a barren and atmosphere-less distant planet.

No one has given a reason, any purpose, to putting a station on Mars. Why not a station in a deep ocean trench instead?




Whether you believe it or not, this will likely happen.

Wait and see.
 
How to experience life on Mars.

1. Go in your house or apartment.
2. Stay there.

You are now experiencing living on a station in Mars.

To experience the trip, piles lots of food and water in a walk-in closet with a porta potty and potty bags. Go stay in it for 6 months. You are now traveling to Mars. Nothing is more exciting that a total void. :lol:

It is amazing for anyone to actually think that while we can't collectively manage earth, we could do so on a barren and atmosphere-less distant planet.

No one has given a reason, any purpose, to putting a station on Mars. Why not a station in a deep ocean trench instead?

You forgot something. You would need to cover the house with an air tight bubble and have to create your oxygen from another source. Seal the house completely so no air escapes and try to live like that. If the air source goes down, you are dead.
 
Benefits of Space Exploration

5 Spinoffs from the Hubble Space Telescope

What are the benefits of space exploration

I can just keeping going down the line of google links to the benefits. Energy (fusion tech), electronics (small computer chips), medical (artificial heart), physics (required equations for such travel), navigation (GPS), emergency tech (jaws of life), and the list goes ON and ON and ON. What could be gained from traveling and colonizing other planets? We have no ******* clue. The historic results of our previous endeavors can be used to predict the outcome of future possible gains: such a wide variety of fields that have experienced gains that the only certainty we have is uncertainty in what fields will grow from future exploration.

Off the top of my head? What could we gain in sustainable technology? Well I would think an extraterrestrial base that could sustain life would benefit Earth in regards to MANY forms of sustainable products: food, water, energy. We could gain long distance communication technologies that we didn't know existed. Better fuel sources from research into more efficient systems. Better and longer lasting wires, batteries, smaller chips, medical technology that can sustain life, and I mean the list goes ON and ON and ON.
 
Whether you believe it or not, this will likely happen.

Wait and see.

We will all be long dead and so will our great grandchildren.

Remember there is no more space program, Obama killed it.

There isn't enough private money out there to accomplish this, and if there was you certainly wouldn't want it spent on this.
 
You are really trying to compare the moon and mars?

Didn't your OP say it was a one way trip?

That would mean the first people going there would have to build living quarters with no resources and no air.

I think that is the definition of stupid.

It is not my OP. Nor did I suggest that people just go there unequipped. I discussed terraforming earlier in the thread and got clled stupid for that.

So, some of us are more visionary than others. That doesn't make any of us bad. But to go to Mars will require a huge investment and planning. Christopher Columbus in space.

Why assume no resources and no air provided for? Are you just looking for an opportunity to be insulting? If so, why?
 
Benefits of Space Exploration

5 Spinoffs from the Hubble Space Telescope

What are the benefits of space exploration

I can just keeping going down the line of google links to the benefits. Energy (fusion tech), electronics (small computer chips), medical (artificial heart), physics (required equations for such travel), navigation (GPS), emergency tech (jaws of life), and the list goes ON and ON and ON. What could be gained from traveling and colonizing other planets? We have no ******* clue. The historic results of our previous endeavors can be used to predict the outcome of future possible gains: such a wide variety of fields that have experienced gains that the only certainty we have is uncertainty in what fields will grow from future exploration.

Off the top of my head? What could we gain in sustainable technology? Well I would think an extraterrestrial base that could sustain life would benefit Earth in regards to MANY forms of sustainable products: food, water, energy. We could gain long distance communication technologies that we didn't know existed. Better fuel sources from research into more efficient systems. Better and longer lasting wires, batteries, smaller chips, medical technology that can sustain life, and I mean the list goes ON and ON and ON.

Please tell that to President Obama.
 
I copied this:

Here are four examples of what it would take to send a canister about the size of a Shuttle payload (or a school bus) past our nearest neighboring star...and allowing 900 years for it to make this journey.

Well....If you use chemical engines like those that are on the Shuttle, well..., sorry, there isn’t enough mass in the universe to supply the rocket propellant you’d need.

So let’s step up to next possibilities, nuclear rockets with a predicted performance that’s 10 to 20 times better!

Well...it’s still not looking all that good. For a fission rocket you would need a BILLION SUPERTANKER size propellant tanks to get you there, and even with fusion rockets you would still need a THOUSAND SUPERTANKERS!

Even if we look at the best conceivable performance that we could engineer based on today’s knowledge, say an Ion engine or an antimatter rocket whose performance was 100 times better that the shuttle engines, we would need about ten railway tanker sized propellant tanks.

That doesn’t sound too bad, until you consider that we didn’t bring along any propellant to let us stop when we get to the other star system...or if we want to get there quicker than 9 centuries.

Once you add the desire to actually stop at your destination, or if you want to get there sooner, you’re back at the incredible supertanker situation again, even for our best conceivable rockets. It takes as much energy thrust to stop as it does to start.

So... we develop ion motors and in space build a 2000 foot long space ship. And were off to the nearest star to see what's around it. 30 generations later - a period equating from the 1100 AD until now - humans finally get there. Darn, nothing there. Now everyone dies. No fuel to return.

But it was a damn good thought!
 
It is not my OP. Nor did I suggest that people just go there unequipped. I discussed terraforming earlier in the thread and got clled stupid for that.

So, some of us are more visionary than others. That doesn't make any of us bad. But to go to Mars will require a huge investment and planning. Christopher Columbus in space.

Why assume no resources and no air provided for? Are you just looking for an opportunity to be insulting? If so, why?

You have to understand what this will entail.

There is no breathable air on Mars so it has to come from somewhere. Everything has a weight to it in the space ship.

We are nowhere near this and won't be for a long time to come.
 
How to experience life on Mars.

1. Go in your house or apartment.
2. Stay there.

You are now experiencing living on a station in Mars.

To experience the trip, piles lots of food and water in a walk-in closet with a porta potty and potty bags. Go stay in it for 6 months. You are now traveling to Mars. Nothing is more exciting that a total void. :lol:

It is amazing for anyone to actually think that while we can't collectively manage earth, we could do so on a barren and atmosphere-less distant planet.

No one has given a reason, any purpose, to putting a station on Mars. Why not a station in a deep ocean trench instead?

Riddle me this batman. Why are you so opposed to exploration and forward progress of human technology? Do you think it is fully impossible for humans to gain ANYTHING from attempting to build sustainable environments in places where it would otherwise be impossible? You don't see the potential here for technological growth? Hell. Just figuring out a way to BUILD that without putting humans on the planet first would make a DRASTIC leap in AI technologies. We are talking improvising and adaptive technologies that could assist in probes building such a structure. I really don't understand how someone that is pro "sustainable technology" wouldn't see space as the ULTIMATE test for whether or not something is sustainable.
 
I copied this:

Here are four examples of what it would take to send a canister about the size of a Shuttle payload (or a school bus) past our nearest neighboring star...

Let me stop you right there.

You are shifting the focus. The title of this thread said Mars. "Would you take a one way trip to Mars"

Do you see? MARS. Why are you trying to shift the focus? Come on joko. You know this isn't about going to another system. This is about MARS. PLEASE refrain from changing the subject to other systems.
 
You have to understand what this will entail.

There is no breathable air on Mars so it has to come from somewhere. Everything has a weight to it in the space ship.

We are nowhere near this and won't be for a long time to come.

But. How could we come near to that ability? Wouldn't it require something? Like experimentation? You know? Attempts at pushing said technologies forward? We make new discoveries every day. Why not try a few out?
 
I just think it's really funny that anyone discusses this as other than a pun-contest.

That it'd be great to have go on the most interesting vacation - for which you get on a train you can't get off of and will die on - but your children will live - and die on it to. Generation after generation of children live, grow old and die on that train. Finally 900 years later, finally arriving - no way back. Amazingly, found an inhabitable planet? GREAT - 900 years to find land to plow up and farm.

THAT is the ultimate travel plans to some people. To die on a train traveling thru a void they can never get off of and will die on.

We can't even figure how to have a government that can make a budget for this one year! A 900 year plan? Ain't gonna happen.
 
Please tell that to President Obama.

Wish I could. Correct me if I am wrong...didnt he pretty much cancel investments into programs we had running for years?
 
Let me stop you right there.

You are shifting the focus. The title of this thread said Mars. "Would you take a one way trip to Mars"

Do you see? MARS. Why are you trying to shift the focus? Come on joko. You know this isn't about going to another system. This is about MARS. PLEASE refrain from changing the subject to other systems.

OK, Mars. Name anything a station on Mars can do that a probe can't? Anything at all.

Scientists stopped sending manned probes in deep oceans 5 decades ago. They don't send manned probes down into ancient ice. We don't send manned probes to the Moon for about 5 decades. All those could be done. Robotic probes do just fine. Why manually steer a machine there when you can remotely steer it from here?

SO... the reason to send a manned probe to Mars, rather than a robotic one is?
 
I just think it's really funny that anyone discusses this as other than a pun-contest.

That it'd be great to have go on the most interesting vacation - for which you get on a train you can't get off of and will die on - but your children will live - and die on it to. Generation after generation of children live, grow old and die on that train. Finally 900 years later, finally arriving - no way back. Amazingly, found an inhabitable planet? GREAT - 900 years to find land to plow up and farm.

THAT is the ultimate travel plans to some people. To die on a train traveling thru a void they can never get off of and will die on.

We can't even figure how to have a government that can make a budget for this one year! A 900 year plan? Ain't gonna happen.

900 years? It would take us 900 years to travel to Mars? Did you do the math wrong?
 
You have to understand what this will entail.

There is no breathable air on Mars so it has to come from somewhere. Everything has a weight to it in the space ship.

We are nowhere near this and won't be for a long time to come.

Honestly Mason, I don't know where the air comes from on the Space Station or the Moon Rockets but I assume there is some way to break down other elements to produce air and water. If not, nobody will be going anywhere. It is reasonable to assume that some provision must be made for this. You're not going to Mars in the family Buick. It will require parts to be sent in advance. It will be difficult and expensive.

Think about the first cables they placed across the Atlantic for the early days of telegrams. What a challenge that was in an era with far less development. They had to invent wire. They had to invent a way to make stuff travel across that wire. Today, we speak., 0s and 1s take this and bring it to another phone around the world. How impossible that must have seemed once.

And you may be right. We may never do this. We may stay here until the sun goes dark. But there are a few people who think this is something to be challenged. I support them and believe in them.
 
Those who think something is impossible, especially when the theory if not the practicalities have been established, are almost always proven wrong. No one is saying we have the technology to assemble an NPP cruiser and fling one off to Tau Ceti, it is however reasonable to postulate that as we've invented a theoretical mechanism as well as some of the engineering principles behind it that we can hope for more innovation and advances in the decades and centuries ahead. In the meantime the development and manned exploration of the inner solar system is hardly a pipe dream even if Mars isn't the most suitable candidate for mass or long term settlement.
 
No, when used in terms of science, "universe" has a specific and limited meaning. It is a sphere expanding outward from a single central point, commonly referred to as the point of the "big bang."

A common term for infinity is "the cosmos."
No, actually I think you may be trying to describe a Hubble sphere or something.

Those are descriptions of parts of the universe.

By definition the universe is not necessarily limited.
 
OK, Mars. Name anything a station on Mars can do that a probe can't? Anything at all.

Scientists stopped sending manned probes in deep oceans 5 decades ago. They don't send manned probes down into ancient ice. We don't send manned probes to the Moon for about 5 decades. All those could be done. Robotic probes do just fine. Why manually steer a machine there when you can remotely steer it from here?

SO... the reason to send a manned probe to Mars, rather than a robotic one is?

Mars is a big, rich planet. A great adventure. Unknown possibilities. A stepping stone for future FTL travel. Mars is only 35 million miles away from here.

In your lifetime, you will drive almost a million miles. By car. So, by rocketship, Mars is just down the road.
 
How about this for an alternative?

We put a manned station on an asteroid orbiting around the solar system? They then just along for the ride and requiring no fuel once they arrive other than enough to get back?

There are probably objects passing thru our solar system that could be ridden out of it too. And then for generation after generation, now and forever, they could be transmitting back what they see along the way?
 
Mars is a big, rich planet. A great adventure. Unknown possibilities. A stepping stone for future FTL travel. Mars is only 35 million miles away from here.

In your lifetime, you will drive almost a million miles. By car. So, by rocketship, Mars is just down the road.

No, it isn't "just down the road." How is Mar's rich?

There was a lot of talk and even a couple companies trying to promote mining an asteroid. However, when looked by economists, even if it was made of pure gold and platinum, it doesn't work economically.

I'll ask it again. What can a manned probe do that a remote probe cannot? For size and survivability issues, a remote probe can have 100 times as much equipment and 1/100th the risks - and can stay there and function virtually indefinitely.

Do you have any clue of the challenges, prices and size of a spacecraft that has to support a crew and travel for 1 year (there and back) is? What is your budget for this adventure question? Plus big enough for landing and take off fuel too? $1 Trillion? $3 Trillion? More?

What is rational about not finding out what they might be worth going for and where at least before going there?
 
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