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One way trip to Mars

Would you take a one way trip to Mars

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    Votes: 16 32.7%

  • Are you freamin insane?

    Votes: 33 67.3%
  • Total voters
    49
What a great life plan. Losing their jobs, house being foreclosed, and no luck finding another, the husband excitedly explains to his wife and children his plan.

He took the last of their money and bought a small sailboat plus supplies, including seeds, hunting and fishing gear. "We're going to head out!" he explains. Where to? "To find whatever is out there, the pioneer spirit. That has worked for others so many times in the past." So on Friday they are heading straight out to sea to find what's out there for them. To just keep going until they come to their future.

Great plan to save his family, huh?

Think his wife would let him put their children on that boat?
 
joko104 said:
Yes, about 6 months or so. What could people there, at astronomical costs, learn that a probe cannot?

We BORE down into polar ice to learn the past. We don't build an elevator so people can go down there, do we?

Would you favor that? To bore a 10 foot diameter hole and then build a bunker so scientists could live 500 feet under ice for 2 years to learn what boring down might miss? That is essentially what putting people on Mars would be doing.

The deepest ocean dive in a manned craft was in 1960, over 5 decades ago. None have gone back because remote probes can not learn as much, but more.

Why don't you advocate putting a manned station deep on the ocean bottom? They used to build those too decades ago, and found they served NO scientific purpose. Just cost piles of money and endangered lives. They also found people couldn't handle it for very long.
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About this "couldn't handle it." Do you know why Cortez burned his ships?
 
joko104 said:
What a great life plan. Losing their jobs, house being foreclosed, and no luck finding another, the husband excitedly explains to his wife and children his plan.

He took the last of their money and bought a small sailboat plus supplies, including seeds, hunting and fishing gear. "We're going to head out!" he explains. Where to? "To find whatever is out there, the pioneer spirit. That has worked for others so many times in the past." So on Friday they are heading straight out to sea to find what's out there for them. To just keep going until they come to their future.

Great plan to save his family, huh?

Think his wife would let him put their children on that boat?
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Good thing people did put their children on that boat right? We got a pretty good thing going over here.
 
If the colony will be zero gravity - forget it. The human body does not like long term life in zero g.

If there will be Earth-style gravity...I'm interested. Not ready to sign yet though...TONS of questions first.
 
stonewall50 said:
The odds of another inhabitable planet existing is nearly 100%...and then you must include moons as well (which more exist than planets).
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The odds of their being alternative realities is 100%. In fact, alternative reality is over twice the mass of our reality. So why not go there instead? It is just as possible/impossible and certainly would discover more.
 
I thought this would be a poll on whether we should send OBAMA on a one way trip to Mars......
 
One snail on the equator to another snail:

"We're being slaughtered! The birds, bugs, everything is eating us. But I've learned there is a place called the North Pole. There are no birds or bugs or anything else that that eats snails there. So let's get going to the North Pole right now! The survival of the snail race depends on it."
 
Uncensored2008 said:
I thought this would be a poll on whether we should send OBAMA on a one way trip to Mars......
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Oh I agree, I think Obama would make a great god of Mars king of mars whatever you want to call it, he can do all his hope and change up there, there are already no jobs on Mars so he won't have to work at raising the unemployment. We could send all the Socialists and Communists up there for Obama to lead and to help create liberal utopia us liberals want so badly.
 
joko104 said:
The odds of their being alternative realities is 100%. In fact, alternative reality is over twice the mass of our reality. So why not go there instead? It is just as possible/impossible and certainly would discover more.
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So you do not believe that in a galaxy of billions of stars...and outside of that galaxy are billions more galaxies...that would literally account for over BILLIONS OR TRILLIONS of planets on which life could be sustained? Please tell me you are joking right? And we aren't even talking about "intelligent life." We are talking about just the ability to SUSTAIN life.
 
joko104 said:
One snail on the equator to another snail:

"We're being slaughtered! The birds, bugs, everything is eating us. But I've learned there is a place called the North Pole. There are no birds or bugs or anything else that that eats snails there. So let's get going to the North Pole right now! The survival of the snail race depends on it."
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Again. Very glad you are not in charge of any scientific research.
 
"Somewhere out there, in the vast nothing of space..."



"Somewhere out there in the vast nothingness of space
Somewhere far away in space and time
Staring upward at the gleaming stars in the obsidian sky
We're marooned on a small island, in an endless sea
Confined to a tiny spit of sand, unable to escape
But tonight, on this small planet, on Earth
We're going to rock civilization"

THAT is the only rational perspective. Humans have discovered an inhabitable planet that can be terraform manipulated. That name of the planet is Earth. If humans can't terraform earth successfully, they sure as hell can't do it on a planet they somehow find 100 million travel years away.
 
stonewall50 said:
Again. Very glad you are not in charge of any scientific research.
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No, glad you aren't. Of the almost infinite directions science can pursue, you want to instead pursue fantasyland. The scientific theory of "wouldn't it be really super cool if..."

And when someone explains distances and how far it takes traveling in terms of light-year distances, you say, "yeah, yeah whatever, I'm not getting hung up on that. I mean, it really would be AWESOME if go to another planet like earth and ..."
 
lka said:
Oh I agree, I think Obama would make a great god of Mars king of mars whatever you want to call it, he can do all his hope and change up there, there are already no jobs on Mars so he won't have to work at raising the unemployment. We could send all the Socialists and Communists up there for Obama to lead and to help create liberal utopia us liberals want so badly.
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All the democrat/progressive/communists should use Mars as the place to create the paradise they dream of - with a billion dollar an hour minimum wage, requirements that ALL belong to SEUI - one party rule, corporations outlawed and Fox News prohibited, only MSNBC and DailyKOS as news sources.

You know, all the things they want to do here...
 
stonewall50 said:
So you do not believe that in a galaxy of billions of stars...and outside of that galaxy are billions more galaxies...that would literally account for over BILLIONS OR TRILLIONS of planets on which life could be sustained? Please tell me you are joking right? And we aren't even talking about "intelligent life." We are talking about just the ability to SUSTAIN life.
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I know exactly what I am talking about. There are over 100 billion stars in our galaxy. Our galaxy is one of a cluster of over 100 billion galaxies. There are over 100 billion clusters of galaxies in the universe. The universe is one in a cluster of 100 billion universes. There are 100 billion clusters of universes in...

If zircon crystals had set out 4.3 billion years ago, the odds might be as good as winning the lottery that by now they might be able to detect by radio telescope a potential candidate for a planet whose atmosphere could be altered across 100 millennium to an acceptable level that was within only 100 light years away.

Before setting out on your quest, the first thing you must do is build a space ship that can accelerate at least at the speed of light exponentially and a way for the human body to not be instantenously and continuously crushed under 10,000 Gs during such continuous acceleration (and deceleration.) It would have to be at least 1000 times faster than the Star Trek Enterprise - plus as a continuous acceleration, not constant speed.

When you got that little detail taken care of, let's talk. :lol:

Sorry to rain on your fantasies. Do you listen to music during this hope and planning?
 
 
The only means by which "space travel to other planets" is theoretically possible is crossing metaphysical, not physical barriers. The current human intellect is not capable of obtaining such an objective.

If a person could build a metaphysical flyer that would be cool for sure.

Being in space would not be exciting, it would be ultimate boredom. As for finding another inhabitable planet? That is really just wishing this was the 1600s and that there are more uninhabited islands to find. Nothing more than that. If 100% successful, all accomplished it the ability to stand on a deserted island, that isn't deserted anymore. There's nothing new in that.
 
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joko104 said:
Yes, about 6 months or so. What could people there, at astronomical costs, learn that a probe cannot?

We BORE down into polar ice to learn the past. We don't build an elevator so people can go down there, do we?

Would you favor that? To bore a 10 foot diameter hole and then build a bunker so scientists could live 500 feet under ice for 2 years to learn what boring down might miss? That is essentially what putting people on Mars would be doing.

The deepest ocean dive in a manned craft was in 1960, over 5 decades ago. None have gone back because remote probes can not learn as much, but more.

Why don't you advocate putting a manned station deep on the ocean bottom? They used to build those too decades ago, and found they served NO scientific purpose. Just cost piles of money and endangered lives. They also found people couldn't handle it for very long.
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Manned stations underwater serve no short term or foreseeable scientific or economic purpose. Developing technology that enables humans to live deep underwater might prove useful one day. Survival being one of the underlying drives of life (pleasure being another), finding ways to make humans survive and prosper in situations where it should be impossible is its own goal.

Another problem is that taking your philosophy to its most extreme, there is little reason to be anything "other" than fat hedonists plugged into matrix realities cared for by an army of self-maintaining robots, something that should be possible long before faster than light travel or anything corresponding to it.

At a certain point, humans will have to reach a collective decision about the role technology is going to have in our lives. Just because it can serve as a substitution for all foreseeable dangers doesn't mean it is good for our souls to allow that to happen.
 
joko104 said:
What a great life plan. Losing their jobs, house being foreclosed, and no luck finding another, the husband excitedly explains to his wife and children his plan.

He took the last of their money and bought a small sailboat plus supplies, including seeds, hunting and fishing gear. "We're going to head out!" he explains. Where to? "To find whatever is out there, the pioneer spirit. That has worked for others so many times in the past." So on Friday they are heading straight out to sea to find what's out there for them. To just keep going until they come to their future.

Great plan to save his family, huh?

Think his wife would let him put their children on that boat?
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Now . . . I could be wrong, because I usually am, but if people did not do exactly what you said in the above quote . . . we'd all be living in Africa wearing a loin cloth. Of course, that would have to depend on if a person believes in that "Out of Africa" theory of evolution.
 
joko104 said:
There are 100 billion clusters of universes in...
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Bullcrap.

By definition there is only one universe. Star clusters are merely parts of the universe.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
All the democrat/progressive/communists should use Mars as the place to create the paradise they dream of - with a billion dollar an hour minimum wage, requirements that ALL belong to SEUI - one party rule, corporations outlawed and Fox News prohibited, only MSNBC and DailyKOS as news sources.

You know, all the things they want to do here...
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Oh it will be great all the liberals (like myself) can do whatever we want, we can make sure it's super diverse, lay around and do nothing all day but have sex and get free abortions as needed we would be the smartest nation in the universe no business no greed no hunger no jealousy no money and no work it's going to be the bestest utopia ever
 
Muhammed said:
Bullcrap.

By definition there is only one universe. Star clusters are merely parts of the universe.
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No, when used in terms of science, "universe" has a specific and limited meaning. It is a sphere expanding outward from a single central point, commonly referred to as the point of the "big bang."

A common term for infinity is "the cosmos."
 
lka said:
oh it will be great all the liberals (like myself) can do whatever we want, we can make sure it's super diverse, lay around and do nothing all day but have sex and get free abortions as needed we would be the smartest nation in the universe no business no greed no hunger no jealousy no money and no work it's going to be the bestest utopia ever
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but be careful what you say there!
 
shrubnose said:
You're only as old as you think you are and you're never too old to dream.
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shrubnose said:
Correct,no one is going to be drafted and sent to Mars.

Only the most capable, well trained, volunteers will go.
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Thanks but trust me at 70, I have to check each morning to see if any of my body parts fell off during the night.

So now, my grand adventures are more inside my head than in real life. Fortunately, I'm a devoted reader and the right authors can get me inside their books and I can travel the universe while my mortal shell sits in the living room with a cat on my lap.
 
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