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Question about race: Is a white south african, who immigrated to america....

Is a white South African, American citizen...considered an African american?


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Why are you mentioning responsibility? What is he failing to take responsibility for?

I just don't follow your point or how you read into his post.

His post was about minorities rejecting the right. And the right's message is one of personal responsibility. If you still don't understand, then nevermind.
 
Heck, if one was born in Africa and comes to the good old usa, they are indeed African-Americans if they want to be hyphenized or just plain Americans if they don't. It is up to them I guess. If someone comes to America from China, Thailand, India, they are all Asian-Americans, why should someone from Africa be any different. All one has to do is look at a map.

The U.S., home to a large number of east-Indians, who were expelled from Africa by africans, where they lived for many generations. Call them-"African-Americans, it is an insult.
 
The U.S., home to a large number of east-Indians, who were expelled from Africa by africans, where they lived for many generations. Call them-"African-Americans, it is an insult.

As I said, if they don't like hyphenization, just plain American will do.
 
I understand your post better, but the GOP stands for a lot of stuff. Not voting GOP doesn't prove anybody fails to take responsibility in life.


His post was about minorities rejecting the right. And the right's message is one of personal responsibility. If you still don't understand, then nevermind.
 
Here's an interesting take on things. I think of race as B.S. It's something played on by people with an agenda. I think of us as humans. So this isn't a race ploy, I suppose I want to prove a point here.


Is a white of skin color, south african...that immigrates to the United States....now considered an African American?


Put that in your pipe and smoke it race baiters on both sides.
S/he's black on the inside. Note the knife-edged temperament and the sidelong sneer.

Along with the refusal to admit they're more partial to Ice Cube than Malcolm.
 
I understand your post better, but the GOP stands for a lot of stuff. Not voting GOP doesn't prove anybody fails to take responsibility in life.

Doesn't prove they're not responsible but it proves the message of personal responsibility doesn't resonate with them. That's what Romney was trying to explain during his 47 percent gaff that was taken out of context so badly. The right's message just isn't going to resonate with certain demographic groups.
 
His post was about minorities rejecting the right. And the right's message is one of personal responsibility. If you still don't understand, then nevermind.

Never mind is correct. You keep talking about the message, avoiding conversation about the actions of the right .. which have absolutely nothing to do with responsibility.

I've asked you several times to demonstrate republicans embracing the diversity of America .. and you've yet to do that .. because republicans DO NOT embrace diversity.

I've asked what about republican attempts to disenfranchise non-white voters .. you've yet to respond.

The message that republicans send in one of intolerance and arrogance, not responsibility.
 
Doesn't prove they're not responsible but it proves the message of personal responsibility doesn't resonate with them. That's what Romney was trying to explain during his 47 percent gaff that was taken out of context so badly. The right's message just isn't going to resonate with certain demographic groups.

Don't look now, but your message of intolerance and arrogance is indeed getting through .. which is why the right is almost completely white.

Don't look now, but nobody is buying the ruse about 'responsibility' and republicans poll lower than Obama and Obamacare. Do you think that's just happenstance?
 
Don't look now, but your message of intolerance and arrogance is indeed getting through .. which is why the right is almost completely white.

Don't look now, but nobody is buying the ruse about 'responsibility' and republicans poll lower than Obama and Obamacare. Do you think that's just happenstance?

Hey... if you equate personal responsibility with intolerance, then that's your problem and it explains why you side with the party that gave us the food stamp president.
 
I've asked what about republican attempts to disenfranchise non-white voters .. you've yet to respond.

The republicans haven't DIS-enfranchised non-white voters. Tightening up on immigration policy shouldn't "disenfranchise" Hispanics. Seeking more welfare reform shouldn't disenfranchise black voters. And what do you think the republican party did to disenfranchise asian voters? Nothing.

Now, granted, people collecting feckin' welfare might not be very happy with the republican party but that shouldn't be disenfranchising "non-whites" should it? I'm half Cuban. I'm considered "non-white". I only vote republican because there's no way I could possibly vote for the race-baiting, welfare-loving, tree-hugging, gun-grabbing, personal responsibility hating democrats and all their crap propaganda. Republicans have been ineffective but simply not being democrats is good enough to get my vote until there's something better.
 
The republicans haven't DIS-enfranchised non-white voters. Tightening up on immigration policy shouldn't "disenfranchise" Hispanics. Seeking more welfare reform shouldn't disenfranchise black voters. And what do you think the republican party did to disenfranchise asian voters? Nothing.

Now, granted, people collecting feckin' welfare might not be very happy with the republican party but that shouldn't be disenfranchising "non-whites" should it? I'm half Cuban. I'm considered "non-white". I only vote republican because there's no way I could possibly vote for the race-baiting, welfare-loving, tree-hugging, gun-grabbing, personal responsibility hating democrats and all their crap propaganda. Republicans have been ineffective but simply not being democrats is good enough to get my vote until there's something better.

You're a Cuban American .. and you vote like most Cuban-Americans.

Would you like to see the percentages non-whites vote for republicans in? Or are you resigned to blame them for not supporting a political party that consistently attempts to disenfranchise their votes. There is no sane argument that they don't.

How about gays? How welcome have republicans been to that large segment of the electorate?

How about women? are they also resistant to republicans talking about 'responsibility' .. or do they resist because of republican policies and agenda that is not in their interests?

If you feel comfortable blaming every other segment of society for republican failure to connect to those demographics, that's fine with me brother. I don't want to see republicans win another national election in my lifetime .. and republicans blaming everyone else instead of genuinely reach out will get me just what I want.
 
Hey... if you equate personal responsibility with intolerance, then that's your problem and it explains why you side with the party that gave us the food stamp president.

You mean like the 'personal responsibility' of Swarzenegger? :0)

There is a long ass list.
 
You're a Cuban American .. and you vote like most Cuban-Americans.

Would you like to see the percentages non-whites vote for republicans in? Or are you resigned to blame them for not supporting a political party that consistently attempts to disenfranchise their votes. There is no sane argument that they don't.

How about gays? How welcome have republicans been to that large segment of the electorate?

How about women? are they also resistant to republicans talking about 'responsibility' .. or do they resist because of republican policies and agenda that is not in their interests?

If you feel comfortable blaming every other segment of society for republican failure to connect to those demographics, that's fine with me brother. I don't want to see republicans win another national election in my lifetime .. and republicans blaming everyone else instead of genuinely reach out will get me just what I want.

Gays? Are gays "non white" now? I support the position of states rights on homosexual marriage. If a state doesn't want to sanction homosexual marriage, it shouldn't have to. But let's get back to what republicans are doing to non-whites.....

I'm waiting for the list of things those evil republicans are doing to my black, hispanic and asian brothers and sisters. What specific policies are disenfranchising the non-whites. Be specific.

And what sort of "reach out" would tickle the poor little hearts of those "non-whites"? Again, be specific. What do republicans have to do to make the "non-whites" feel the love?
 
We'll just have to disagree on that.

I've never met a white South African with a bone in their nose, face paint, who believed witchcraft or practiced strange and ancient tribal traditions.

It's an insult to Africans, and humanity's intelligence in general, that you cannot perceive the difference between someone who has lived in Africa for a couple generations and someone with African heritage in their culture.

All the white South Africans I've ever known (spent quite a bit of time with one in Europe) have been the same thing as Europeans culturally. I knew a 3rd generation white Zimbabwean and - guess what... you'd never know by meeting him. Not the slightest difference between him and the Euros. A couple generations in Africa does not make one African.

What kind of Euro moves to Africa and adopts African culture?! None. Get a ****ing clue.
 
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Gays? Are gays "non white" now? I support the position of states rights on homosexual marriage. If a state doesn't want to sanction homosexual marriage, it shouldn't have to. But let's get back to what republicans are doing to non-whites.....

Go back and read my posts .. I've mentioned America's diverse population many times. It's no secret why you want to run away from this. :0)

I'm waiting for the list of things those evil republicans are doing to my black, hispanic and asian brothers and sisters. What specific policies are disenfranchising the non-whites. Be specific.

It would be a waste of our time because you'll just run. I've mentioned the disenfranchisement of non-white voters and you act as if you've never heard of it.

Texas Republicans Figure out How to Disenfranchise Women Voters

... It’s no longer enough to prevent blacks, Hispanics or college students from voting, so Texas Republicans have figured out how to target the biggest group they fear might challenge their death grip on the throat of Texas politics – women. As of November 5th, when Texas’s strict voter ID law goes into effect, voters will be required to show a photo ID at the polls. Twenty-five percent of eligible African-American voters and 16% of Hispanics do not have an ID that would satisfy the new Texas voter ID requirements. Eighteen percent of people over the age of 65 do not have a current ID at all, and student ID card issued by their college or university are not acceptable to allow them to vote in Texas. Unsurprisingly, most of these voters tend to vote for Democrats.

But there's an extra, very nasty little sting in the tail: these approved voter IDs also require that voters have their up-to-date legal name at the polls. This effectively impacts a huge proportion of women, particularly those who are married. Only 66% of voting age women has ready access to a photo document that will attest to proof of citizenship and what Texas considers a "legal" name. This is largely significant because married women don't always update their documents with their married names, while changing names after marriage isn't something that usually affects male voters. 34% of women voters – those who are even aware that such an ID will be necessary or they will be prevented from voting – are hurrying to update their documents, not so easy to do and, tellingly, not that quick. Texas is making obtaining this photo ID with a so-called "up-to-date" name as difficult as possible; women must show original documents, along with both a birth certificate and proof of marriage, divorce degree, or court-ordered changes. Photocopies just aren’t good enough.
Texas Republicans Figure out How to Disenfranchise Women Voters | Crooks and Liars

Republicans Admit Voter ID Laws Are Aimed at Democratic Voters

Fla. Republican: We wanted to suppress black votes
Florida's disgraced former GOP chairman says the party had meetings about "keeping blacks from voting"
Fla. Republican: We wanted to suppress black votes - Salon.com

I could post 10 pages of information and data on republican attempts to disenfranchise voters .. yet you ignored it as if its no big deal. Point being, detailing evidence in this conversation is a waste of time.

And what sort of "reach out" would tickle the poor little hearts of those "non-whites"? Again, be specific. What do republicans have to do to make the "non-whites" feel the love?

From my perspective, nothing. Here is the part you're missing, republicans are no longer in the drivers seat. :0) They can't win another national election with their current composition. Let me repeat that .. They cannot win another national election .. and that will only lead to an erosion of support statewide. As America becomes even more diverse, the Whigs are waiting for them.

Republicans don't have to do anything they don't want to do, don't have to reach out to anybody. I'm good with that.
 
That's what I thought. The old "asking for ID is disenfranchising minority voters" schtick.

I suppose you have to rationalize things however you have to rationalize things to keep from admitting that it has anything to do with the fact that so many "minorities" are repulsed by the message of personal responsibility, smaller government, tighter immigration policy, less welfare and no favoritism or affirmative action for minority special interests.

Of course, the GOP still has hispanic and black supporters. They're just not in the same ratio as the population, which tells us a lot about what most of those minorities think politically.
 
Here's an interesting take on things. I think of race as B.S. It's something played on by people with an agenda. I think of us as humans. So this isn't a race ploy, I suppose I want to prove a point here.


Is a white of skin color, south african...that immigrates to the United States....now considered an African American?


Put that in your pipe and smoke it race baiters on both sides.

Interestingly, my ex-wife came upon this doing an Art History lecture to a college class. It was about African art, but for some reason she needed to distinguish between art by white people from Africa and black people. When she referred to it as "black" a student corrected her that is was "African-American." Which it wasn't because it wasn't American.
 
That's what I thought. The old "asking for ID is disenfranchising minority voters" schtick.

I suppose you have to rationalize things however you have to rationalize things to keep from admitting that it has anything to do with the fact that so many "minorities" are repulsed by the message of personal responsibility, smaller government, tighter immigration policy, less welfare and no favoritism or affirmative action for minority special interests.

:0) More of the same 'responsibility' BS.

I asked, you didn't answer .. the 'responsibility' of Swarzenegger .. or maybe Newt Gingrich, Larry Craig, John Ensign, Mark Sanford, David Vitter, Mark Foley, Philip Giordano, Bob Packwood, William "Wild Bill" Janklow ... I could go on .. and on.

This has been a good conversation brother, I've enjoyed it.

thanks
 
:0) More of the same 'responsibility' BS.

I asked, you didn't answer .. the 'responsibility' of Swarzenegger .. or maybe Newt Gingrich, Larry Craig, John Ensign, Mark Sanford, David Vitter, Mark Foley, Philip Giordano, Bob Packwood, William "Wild Bill" Janklow ... I could go on .. and on.

This has been a good conversation brother, I've enjoyed it.



thanks

Right. Because republicans are human and some of them f*** up or do things contrary to their party message, the party message of values and responsibility are null and void. Convenient.

Logical fallacy ad hominem tu quoque.

Yes, it's been interesting. :)
 
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I've never met a white South African with a bone in their nose, face paint, who believed witchcraft or practiced strange and ancient tribal traditions.

That's what africans do to qualify?

It's an insult to Africans, and humanity's intelligence in general, that you cannot perceive the difference between someone who has lived in Africa for a couple generations and someone with African heritage in their culture.

Sigh, we all have African culture. It's an insult to humanity to assume that which developed after leaving Africa is more important than that which developed before leaving Africa.

All the white South Africans I've ever known (spent quite a bit of time with one in Europe) have been the same thing as Europeans culturally. I knew a 3rd generation white Zimbabwean and - guess what... you'd never know by meeting him. Not the slightest difference between him and the Euros. A couple generations in Africa does not make one African.

and I suppose all the White Americans you've met are exactly like all the white Europeans you've met...

What kind of Euro moves to Africa and adopts African culture?! None. Get a ****ing clue.

Exactly which African culture is African culture?
 
and I suppose all the White Americans you've met are exactly like all the white Europeans you've met...

Compared to Africans, yes! This is what you fail to understand - ancestry is not a couple generations deep. Having spent time with white South Africans and a white Zimbabwean, I can assure you they had no African traditions or culture. They were aware of such things, but had not adopted them.

Show me a white guy in sub-Sahara with a bone in his nose and a painted face worshiping a tree and practicing magic and then, perhaps, your side of the argument will have the slightest bit of evidence.

Exactly which African culture is African culture?

The culture that did not come from Europeans.

Sigh, we all have African culture.

This debate has become too stupid for me. I draw the line at nihilism.

Good day.
 
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Show me a white guy in sub-Sahara with a bone in his nose and a painted face worshiping a tree.


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Damn, you would have to go and qualify it by stipulating sub Saharan Africa.

and right when I was about to invite you to come along with me to the next country fair here in Eugene, too!

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That's what africans do to qualify?



Sigh, we all have African culture. It's an insult to humanity to assume that which developed after leaving Africa is more important than that which developed before leaving Africa.



and I suppose all the White Americans you've met are exactly like all the white Europeans you've met...



Exactly which African culture is African culture?

Excellent arguments.
 
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