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White is a white. Black is a black. African-American is liberal nonsense.
Hey... this Euro-American doesn't care what you call yourself. If you think it's important for people to know you're of African descent and worry they might not be able to figure it out without you adding "African-hyphen" to the "American" label, it's all good. You wouldn't want to be mistaken for someone of Swedish descent. That would be a very bad thing. The more we can focus on how different we are, the better it is for everyone.
Who is better? Negros are not shy about the color of their skin.Would you be cool with this.... African decent? Its still better than Negro and Negroid, and it has African in the same which will make some people happy.
Western Russia, located in Europe.western Russia,
Western Russia, located in Europe.
Would you be cool with this.... African decent? Its still better than Negro and Negroid, and it has African in the same which will make some people happy.
I am just asking to ask. You seem to be complaining about hyphens, so there. What do you say?
Thanks for pointing that out, I meant eastern Russia.
And, I suppose with "the fight", it's not over till you and your brothers and sisters say it's over. So y'all let the white folks know when you're through fighting and maybe everyone can move forward together. Meanwhile, I've got to get by Cuban-American arse back down to the workshop to get some more production in today.
:0) I can tell that we're good to have some juicy debate about Cuba.
With respect to who gets to declare its over .. there is a very logical answer to that question that if you take a moment to think about it, I bet you'll come to the only conclusion.
Yes, they are born in Africa and thus are entitled to being called an African American.
hen I went to Haiti the black people there didn't want to be called Africans and those that moved to the US did not want to be called "African Americans."
I have friends who were born in Egypt that applied for African American scholarships. One actually got it but then had the funds removed when they realized he was of Arab decent even though he was born in Africa in Egypt.
African American should not be used as a term to denote race or ethnicity.
Curious that after all these years, you don't just think of yourselves as United Statesian.
In Europe as a rule, it only seems to take one generation or even less for people to feel assimilated. For example, I mix with black people every day who don't say they're African-French or West Indian-French but simply French. Similarly when I lived in the UK, people of all colours and backgrounds were just British. My own background is a tapestry but having arrived in the UK relatively young and obtained the citizenship I quickly became British. Similarly I now have French citizenship, hence I'm French with no complexes.
Of course I don't forget my roots. I could claim to be Italo-Slovene-Anglo-French. But that would be:
a) pretentious, and
b) unnecessary.
When are you United Statesians going to get over your hang-ups?
That's not why blacks in the US call themselves African-American. :shrug:
Because Haiti has a different racial context. Being seen as an African in Haiti is not a good thing.
I wonder why... maybe because African-American isn't about an African who becomes an American?
Says who? The white boy who doesn't know why blacks in the US refer to themselves as African American to begin with?
Your post is riddled with so much general ignorance it's actually useless to try and school you on the subject. Way beyond repair.
I'm not trolling you -- I'm using it as an example of how your argument falls into a 'reductio ad absurdum' trap.
You say that Afrikaners would not be considered African-American because they're not 'originally' from Africa -- they're just transplanted Dutchmen. I'm saying, how long do you need to stay in a place for you to be 'from' there? Surely the centuries the Afrikaners have been in Africa qualifies them as more African than the majority of Liberians, for example, as they're mostly transplanted slaves from the Americas?
The point of my example is, the Afrikaners ARE 'from' Africa, because they've been there so long. If you negate their claim based on the fact that half a millennium ago their ancestors were from the Netherlands, I can equally negate your claim that the Dutch are European -- they're just transplanted Africans.
The overall point is, making it about where your ancestors are 'from' is indeed racist, because you're essentially saying that your only criteria for determining where someone is 'from' is based on the colour of their skin.
If that were not true, you would obviously accept the Afrikaners as Africans, not Europeans.
It is sux to be an immigrant. I envy people who were born in this beautiful and God blessed country.I know people who are ashamed to be immigrants.
Doesn't refute the point that "African American" shouldn't be exclusive to blacks and that any other race, from Africa, that calls themselves "African American" is wrong in doing so.
To those that are made uncomfortable by them, they certainly are. Heck even when a women chooses to use a hyphenated married name she's pissing someone off.
Not sure where you're going with the songs and team names.
I've said I don't care what someone else calls themselves. And it's true, I don't care about that. I just wonder why someone WANTS to make sure everyone knows they're not a regular American like everyone else, but some sort of "special" American, instead. I think it's very divisive but I don't really care that someone wants to be divisive. That's their business. I just wonder why it's so important to them to maintain a line of differentiation between "us" and "them".
Its a free country. Its legal to have German American Clubs and culture festivals. It was not legal to have such clubs in the USSR, because it offended the Communist Party. Every club had to be pro communist or neutral, to not offend the commies.
And the commies knew they could force people celebrating pre communist culture in clubs to change the names of those clubs, but they couldn't force them to stop actually doing anything. So the German Clubs changed their offical name and posed as a bowling club. And the commies sent spies into bowling clubs, sewing clubs, etc., and people we sent to Siberia.
So yeah, you can play semantics all you want, and demand people stop saying xyz, but it really amounts to nothing. They will still do it under your nose.
America stands for individual freedom and liberty, not conformity.
Yes, they are born in Africa and thus are entitled to being called an African American.
It's silly that we equate "African American" with "black" and also assume that all black people are of African heritage. When I went to Haiti the black people there didn't want to be called Africans and those that moved to the US did not want to be called "African Americans." Their identiy was Haitian and we were told referring to people in Haiti as Africans or being of African decent is considered rude and improper as well as referring to Haitian immigrants as African Americans if they move to the US. I have friends who were born in Egypt that applied for African American scholarships. One actually got it but then had the funds removed when they realized he was of Arab decent even though he was born in Africa in Egypt.
African American should not be used as a term to denote race or ethnicity. I don't think people would lump people from India, China, eastern Russia, or Malaysia as "Asian Americans" and no one refers to whites as "European Americans." African American may be a more prefered term by some, but it's improper to assume all blacks are African Americans and to say that people born in Africa that immigrated here are not African Americans.
Thanks for pointing that out, I meant eastern Russia.
How can you argue that something is this, and that you don't care?
That makes no sense.
If it doesn't bother you, how can you accurately judge it as divisive?
Yes. Anyone that wants to declare it's over can declare it's over. Those that don't, won't be forced to, however. They'll just end up marginalized into obscurity. Racism might last till the end of time as a fringe element, but it doesn't have to be acceptable.
African American is most likely just an American cultural thing. There is a reason for it.
Some people want to be divisive. And since we have freedom of speech, people have every right to be racist, divisive or whatever else their choice of speech might be. How much do you want to be bothered by things you can't control and are actually the rights of other people? People can label themselves whatever they want for whatever reason they want. And everyone else can take it for what it's worth. I don't think its worth anything at all that people call themselves "African-American" except for stimulating discussions like these.