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Is Obama a good president?[W:577]

Is Obama a good president?


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I don't understand why anybody thought the 47% remarks were, well, relevant to the 2012 election. I had been following the poll numbers fairly closely at the time and detected absolutely no shift in the polls after that remark. By the time it was made, the independents and Republicans who ended up voting for him had already fully agreed with him about the parasitic nature of the 47% (indeed, it's been a conservative talking point for years at this point) and the Democrats and independents who disliked that remark had already made up their minds that Mr. Venture Capitalist Romney simply wasn't their man.

i think it's obvious enough : he was already fighting a Gordon Gecko image, and that comment cemented it. he ended up coming off as an elitist plutocrat at a time when a significant portion of that 47 percent were in that 47 percent because of decisions made by executives just like Romney. it was just too steep of a hill to climb. he needed crossover votes, and he didn't get them. it wasn't solely because of that comment, but it was still a pretty big deal.
 
I wish it was that easy.
I'm afraid he feels he has an agenda to keep and miles to go before he sleeps.

As long as the Republicans maintain control of the house which looks pretty safe at this point in time. I don't foresee any piece of a major legislation agenda being passed. I think all this president can do from now on out is just keep what ever portion of his agenda he had passed in place. Nothing new.
 
As long as the Republicans maintain control of the house which looks pretty safe at this point in time. I don't foresee any piece of a major legislation agenda being passed. I think all this president can do from now on out is just keep what ever portion of his agenda he had passed in place. Nothing new.

He can still appoint judges, maybe even a supreme or two and that as Biden would say is a big f**** deal.
 
He can still appoint judges, maybe even a supreme or two and that as Biden would say is a big f**** deal.

True, especially due to Reid's nuclear option. But as far as legislation is concerned, he is through having burnt his bridges many, many moons ago. It will be all he can do to keep the ACA afloat. If the Republicans are wise, they will just keep quiet and let the ACA speak for itself. But some how, the Republicans will figure out a way to put their foot in their mouth, much like Aiken and Mourdock did last year and those two probably cost the GOP at least 4 senate seats and maybe as many as six. Romney's inept campaign didn't help either.
 
My answer is the same for any POTUS in the last 50 years at least...


NO
 
He is bad a President. He may not be the worst ever but I would rank him down near the bottom.
 
He certainly got dealt a difficult hand.

And in some cases he acted correctly.

But I think overall one cannot say he's been a very effective president.
 
Or, you know, the policies he advocates.

you mean those establishment type centrist policies like the ACA?

That the black president ought to be judged by what he says and does, rather than his skin color, just like the 42 white presidents who came before him.

Yes, it's a shame you can't do that
 
He certainly got dealt a difficult hand.

And in some cases he acted correctly.

But I think overall one cannot say he's been a very effective president.

He certainly inherited a mess, but he came into office with a pretty strong political mandate that he managed to squander.
 
Even a few months ago I would say "Average"...A likeable mediocrity, like Gerald Ford.

I mean, I have seriously considered voting for the guy, as a lesser evil - or, just maybe, something really different.... Some people who I really respect (Bill Weld, Colin Powell, Boris Johnson, Chris Buckley, to name a few) had been swayed by the same sentiment.

Well, it's all over now.

Barack Obama belongs right there in the dumpster of history, along with Tricky Dick, Jimmy Carter, Slick Willy and Bush Jr. (except that Dubya actually appears to be a decent human being, just totally inadequate in the role of President).
 
Is Obama a good president?

ROTFLOL... Obama is a good president like Fukushima is an environmental benefit.
 
"He's average" sounds like "bush did it" to me.
 
A blatant liar is never a good president.
 
I'm sure this will end in a proper and dignified manner.

Obama is a disaster as President, however, he is excellent as a Precedent.

No American with even half a brain should consider voting for a man or woman for President again solely on the basis of a nice smile and being able to carry a tune. The experiment of voting for an empty suit that somehow symbolizes the lifting of past generational guilt has been valuable in the sense that your country was able to survive the disaster but you should never again waste eight years out of your country's future in such a foolish manner.
 
Yeah, when Truman left office he was at 38% approval rating and ranked down near the bottom, now he seems to make everyone's top ten. Near great. No one really knows, but historians have said in order to rank a president accurately they have to be out of office for 20 years. This gives them a chance to see how their policies effected the country and also gives time for the heavy partisanship to die down.

I still run across those highly partisan's who place FDR way down on the bottom below such greats as Harding, Coolidge and Grant. Each of rates presidents differently and have different things that are important to them as to what they do or don't do. I do think Obama will probably end up being ranked around the top of the bottom third and Bush the second a little lower.

I do know IKE is my number one of the 11 I remember and I have always ranked JFK as number two. But I think with JFK it was more for what might have been than what really was. But for me, that is just the way it is
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I agree that Eisenhower was an excellent president.

I put him pretty close to the top of the list.

He was also a pretty good general.

We could use a lot of politicians who think and act like him like him right now.

I'm talking about people who put what's good for the USA ahead of what's good for the party that they belong to.
 
Just for comparison, where would you rank G.W. Bush in comparison to all Presidents of the USA?

I put Bush close to the bottom, somewhere between bad and worse.

Say what you want about Bush, he actually joined hands with the other side and sought to get majorities. The way this President is dividing the country sickens me.
 
Say what you want about Bush, he actually joined hands with the other side and sought to get majorities.
The way this President is dividing the country sickens me.




You might want to try to get some help for that because Obama is going to be in the White House until another Democrat takes his place in 2017.

Three years is a long time to stay sick.
 
I agree that Eisenhower was an excellent president.

I put him pretty close to the top of the list.

He was also a pretty good general.

We could use a lot of politicians who think and act like him like him right now.

I'm talking about people who put what's good for the USA ahead of what's good for the party that they belong to.

:agree: with your statement "we could use a lot of politicians who think and act like him right now." emphasis mine. The edge of the cliff is much closer now than it ever has been, IMO, and it won't be a pleasant experience on the way down, since too many are not prepared, because they don't like to hear bad news and would rather believe what they are told, in spite of the reality of what they actually see! Sad...

Greetings, Shrubnose. :2wave:
 
You might want to try to get some help for that because Obama is going to be in the White House until another Democrat takes his place in 2017.

Three years is a long time to stay sick.

First off... HA HA! I see what you did there. Touche.

And more than me, It's a long time for the country to be sick.
 
We would have been better off putting Carter back in office.
 
Just for comparison, where would you rank G.W. Bush in comparison to all Presidents of the USA?

I put Bush close to the bottom, somewhere between bad and worse.

I'm not a fan of Bush's politics or policies, but he preformed better as a potus than Obama and seemed more adept at pushing his political agenda. But I think that was more due to the team behind him, like Rove, as opposed to his own abilities.
 
Just for comparison, where would you rank G.W. Bush in comparison to all Presidents of the USA?

I put Bush close to the bottom, somewhere between bad and worse.

I actually put him right with Obama. His foreign policy disaster could even pull him below Obama depending on an individual's opinion of the disaster.
 
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