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I'm sure this will end in a proper and dignified manner.
Naturally. What could possibly go wrong?I'm sure this will end in a proper and dignified manner.
It appears unanimous. Time to close the thread and move along.
.I'm sure this will end in a proper and dignified manner
Yep. I'll be watching. This should be fun. We should probably take bets on how many pages this will generate.A shame. It seems like it was born just 8 minutes ago.
Yep. I'll be watching. This should be fun. We should probably take bets on how many pages this will generate.
Did you forget G.W. (Mission Accomplished.)Bush?
I'm not certain yet. I'll have to look back at some similar polls to see what it might look like. You should also include the disclaimer that no animals were harmed in the creation of the poll. Also, many butts will be hurt during the polling process. There will be a butt hurt tent set up for treatment in the Basement.Place your bets now.
It appears unanimous. Time to close the thread and move along.
Polls and studies that I have seen place him in the middle range of all U.S. Presidents.
I doubt that he will ever be rated the best, but he's certainly not the worst.
Those polls and studies mean nothing as long as he is in the white house. Hell, they won't mean anything for at least a decade after to be honest. Things like Obamacare and Iran Deal will determine where he ranks in the scheme of things.
You worked for Halliburton, eh?
I'm sure this will end in a proper and dignified manner.
Correct, but this thread is here now.
I do agree that we won't have a good read on Obama or G.W. Bush for quite a few years.
Those polls and studies mean nothing as long as he is in the white house. Hell, they won't mean anything for at least a decade after to be honest.Things like Obamacare and Iran Deal will determine where he ranks in the scheme of things.
I'm sure this will end in a proper and dignified manner.
i agree; it's too soon.
all i can really say about Obama is that the other choices really, really sucked. first it was an unapologetic hawk who bordered on a war monger. the next choice was an out of touch plutocrat. Obama has done a couple things i liked, such as scaling down the wars and not getting heavily involved in a new one (though the jury is still out on that.) also, i like that he fought for health care reform, though the final compromise is a POS and should have been vetoed. his stimulus also saved my ass, and i was able to afford COBRA because of it. he also doesn't seem to be actively going after the states that legalized pot.
on the negative side, he's been fairly bad on civil liberties, continuing the patriot act; the NSA, et cetera. he signed the unworkable PPACA, tossing it to for profit health insurance corporations and leaving in place the employer specific system. also, there's a chance he won't pull the troops out of Afghanistan, and this option shouldn't even be considered.
i guess i'm still forming an opinion. right now, i like him better than Bush and not as much as Clinton.
My thoughts are very similar to yours. I also credit Obama with gay equality progress such as eliminating DADT and supporting SSM.
But he surely is disappointing (I voted for him in 2008 enthusiastically but by 2012 I had lost interest in him). He would have been gone if Romney hadn't been such an unappealing alternative and if the Repubs hadn't chewed each other to pieces during the selection process.
Better than Bush2, much less than Clinton.
Disappointing but not catastrophic. I hope.