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Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

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Henrin said:
It really doesn't make a difference if they consented or not as that means nothing to mine.



I don't happen to find that telling the truth of a political agenda is belittling those that fall at its feet.



I don't doubt many people don't care for my flat out rejection of falsehoods they try to push on me.
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Everything about our country seems to be part of a political agenda to you..Why is that?
 
Carjosse said:
Well half of them stayed and many of them became influential as most of them were educated.
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I really didn't know that, as I thought they all came home..That's interesting..Thanks
 
danielpalos said:
Conscription can never be any form of slavery for the Militia of the United States; it is merely an obligation of the citizens in the several States.
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Not just several states. Under the US code all able body men are the militia of the country.
 
cpgrad08 said:
This came up in another thread. Do you believe that a country was the right to draft it's citizens into it's armed forces during a time of war.

I personally believed that it does if that country is going to survive.


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In regards to the United States I'm talking about an official declaration of war being declared.
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They have a right. But there better be a need, and a war of necessity and not mere want or the public outrage, in a democracy, will end the war sooner than otherwise.
 
danielpalos said:
Conscription can never be any form of slavery for the Militia of the United States; it is merely an obligation of the citizens in the several States.
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Forcing people into service for you is involuntary servitude and thus slavery. Since a draft is the government forcing people into service for them it is slavery.
 
Juanita said:
Everything about our country seems to be part of a political agenda to you..Why is that?
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Government is all about the political class imposing their agenda on everyone else. It is nothing else and can be nothing else.
 
cpgrad08 said:
Why is that?
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A few reasons.

1. I can not endorse expanding the draft to more people when I can already not find myself in agreement with it.
2. I never agreed with sending women to war to begin with.
3. I can not agree with something that might very well affect those women I love. In a few years my daughter will be eighteen and to be honest I couldn't live with myself if I endorsed forcing her to go to war.
 
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Henrin said:
A few reasons.

1. I can not endorse expanding the draft to more people when I can already not find myself in agreement with it.
2. I never agreed with sending women to war to begin with.
3. I can not agree with something that might very well affect those women I love. In a few years my daughter will be eighteen and to be honest I couldn't live with myself if I endorsed forcing her to go to war.
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I understand and can respect that but shouldn't be fair across the board in a world of equal rights if a man can be force to war shouldn't women be as well?
 
Boo Radley said:
They have a right. But there better be a need, and a war of necessity and not mere want or the public outrage, in a democracy, will end the war sooner than otherwise.
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I agree.
 
cpgrad08 said:
This came up in another thread. Do you believe that a country was the right to draft it's citizens into it's armed forces during a time of war.

I personally believed that it does if that country is going to survive.


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In regards to the United States I'm talking about an official declaration of war being declared.
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The bolded line makes the case. There should never be favoritism that keeps favored, wealthy, influential son/daughters out of harm's way a/k/a GW Bush, the first torturer.
 
Henrin said:
Forcing people into service for you is involuntary servitude and thus slavery. Since a draft is the government forcing people into service for them it is slavery.
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It is a call to the defense of the State or our republic. The Militia of the United States can never have any form of problem with that.
 
danielpalos said:
It is a call to the defense of the State or our republic. The Militia of the United States can never have any form of problem with that.
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I don't care if its a call to the defense of god himself. If I'm unwilling to provide my defense then forcing me to do so is involuntary servitude.
 
Henrin said:
I don't care if its a call to the defense of god himself. If I'm unwilling to provide my defense then forcing me to do so is involuntary servitude.
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You may look at it that way; but there are exemptions for conscientious objectors. In any Case, a well regulated militia is specifically enumerated as what is necessary to the security of a free State.
 
danielpalos said:
You may look at it that way; but there are exemptions for conscientious objectors. In any Case, a well regulated militia is specifically enumerated as what is necessary to the security of a free State.
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I don't need a valid reason to not want to serve someone else. If I said no, the answer is no.
 
If the United States practiced universal (men and women of qualified ages with no religious, education, or loop hole deferments) conscription the United States would be involved in far, far, far, far, far fewer conflicts, military actions, invasions and wars than it is now involved in. NO FORTUNATE SONS.

I met one Congressman's nephew stateside. He was actually a nice guy. He was straight up about the fact that he skated in his duty assignments and would not ship over to Vietnam because of his uncle. In Vietnam I never never knew anyone who was a fortunate son. No sons of rich, famous, ultra-monied, politically powerful, CEO's. Never happen. Somehow the people who most benefit from U.S. armed intervention never allow themselves or their family members to be in harm's way. The ones who give the orders are not the ones who die. Imagine that.

VP Biden gets tremendous respect from me for having a son who served in Iraq.

 
cpgrad08 said:
This came up in another thread. Do you believe that a country was the right to draft it's citizens into it's armed forces during a time of war.

I personally believed that it does if that country is going to survive.




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In regards to the United States I'm talking about an official declaration of war being declared.
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You should not have to draft..............You should volunteer.
 
No. A war that requires a draft is not a war worth fighting. Nobody should be coercively forced into killing other human beings at the behest of their government. If people have a right to self-ownership and control over their bodies, then they have a right to refuse to serve in the military.
 
If a country, facing actual, dire peril from enemies foreign or domestic, can't field an army of volunteers ready, able and WANTING to defend her....








What good is a draft gonna do?
 
Let me put it to you this way....if China invaded tomorrow, and our regulars weren't enough, and Obama or whoever went on the tube and we need more soldiers, it's join or learn Chinese, I'd sign up for a rifle. And due to my ear, I'm not even ELIGABLE for military service, let alone a draft.
 
Lakryte said:
No. A war that requires a draft is not a war worth fighting. Nobody should be coercively forced into killing other human beings at the behest of their government. If people have a right to self-ownership and control over their bodies, then they have a right to refuse to serve in the military.
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I wanted to repost my response from earlier: Generally I oppose conscription and mandatory service. Sovereignty of our own bodies should be a founding pillar of our conception of civil rights, I can't think of many rights that are more crucial. However under certain circumstances I'm willing to play the hypocrite and acknowledge that I'm being one. I'm willing to embrace a violation of your rights in the pursuit of a specific utilitarian goal--namely the preservation of the country that I live and prosper in and to accelerate the end of existential conflicts that challenge it. Conscription should be one of the gravest and little used powers a democracy exercises. I'm completely opposed to its casual use as a means of inculcating 'civic virtue'.
 
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