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Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

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No, simply living in a country doesn't mean you consent to do business with any other person or body of persons. It usually just means you were born and the rules of the governance of that land were forced on you. There is no consent given to that governance and nor did that governance ask for it. Declaring that I must move or renounce my citizenship to not be under their command only proves my point.

Sure...as a minor I can see that being true. At a certain point you have a lifetime of reaping the benefits of US citizenship. Enforcement of laws, protection of property, protection of rights, those paid for by taxes and people risking their lives.

It seems like you just want a one way street. All the benefits a society can provide and non of the sacrifice required to make that society work. This is coming from a person that hates the "if you don't like it here move" or "The US is always right" lines. So what happens if there was a choice...either you enter the draft or have to renounce your citizenship and leave. Would you see that as fair or not fair?
 
Shear nonsense. Not acting to renounce my citizenship that would cost me a great deal of money in taxes doesn't mean I consent to anything. It simply means I don't wish to be taxed out of my ass. Even if that wasn't the case however not acting to relieve myself of the government doesn't mean I have issued my consent. Your argument is as silly as those fools that argue voting is issuing your consent.

Fell asleep during those civics classes I see. :mrgreen:

Believe what you will, however your belief fails when confronted with reality.
 
No one is forced to live in the USA.

The entrances to the exits are wide open.

I resent this land being called the USA as it does not represent anything it stood for and anything I find of value.
 
The draft would likely never happen again because of gender equality. To few military positions exist, outside of ground pounding infantry, that would benefit from a draft. Placing an equal amount of men and women in those positions is not going to happen.

I believe if that if are equal to men then they should be required to sign up for selective services as well.
 
Fell asleep during those civics classes I see. :mrgreen:

Believe what you will, however your belief fails when confronted with reality.

You speak of something based on falsehoods and lies. I speak of the truth and how things actually are outside of the brainwashing that you have endured. If you want to know the truth those men that signed the Constitution are about the only men that ever offered their consent to it.
 
You speak of something based on falsehoods and lies. I speak of the truth and how things actually are outside of the brainwashing that you have endured. If you want to know the truth those men that signed the Constitution are about the only men that ever offered their consent to it.

Once again you're free to believe what you want, no matter how disconnected from reality it is. However, your actual behavior is constrained by law that you are subject to as long as you continue to be a US citizen, which is entirely by your own choice.
 
Sure...as a minor I can see that being true. At a certain point you have a lifetime of reaping the benefits of US citizenship. Enforcement of laws, protection of property, protection of rights, those paid for by taxes and people risking their lives.

At a certain point if the government is going to claim they govern by consent they should actually offer a chance to provide it. Otherwise, it's just a government based on political slavery just like all other governments that came before it and no more worthy of governance than they were.

It really makes no difference if the governance provides people with benefits if those people never consented to the governance or to the benefits that are being provided. They are no more worthy of consideration than any other person or body of persons that provide people services without their consent. They are no more deservant of payment or service as anyone else you never consented to do business with.

It seems like you just want a one way street. All the benefits a society can provide and non of the sacrifice required to make that society work. This is coming from a person that hates the "if you don't like it here move" or "The US is always right" lines. So what happens if there was a choice...either you enter the draft or have to renounce your citizenship and leave. Would you see that as fair or not fair?

I have no reason to move out of my home because a body of people that I never consented to offered me a choice regardless of what that choice might be.
 
I believe if that if are equal to men then they should be required to sign up for selective services as well.

Signing up is not the same as calling up. When we start seeing young women (non-volunteers) coming back with parts missing or in body bags any politician that voted for that is history. It is time, actually, way past time, to stop pretending that having different military physical standards and duty assignments based on gender is equality. IMHO, a draft would force an end to that practice.
 
The draft would likely never happen again because of gender equality. To few military positions exist, outside of ground pounding infantry, that would benefit from a draft. Placing an equal amount of men and women in those positions is not going to happen.

Gender equality in the military is just a political tool and as the draft rules and physical standards show there is no seriousness behind it.
 
Gender equality in the military is just a political tool and as the draft rules and physical standards show there is no seriousness behind it.

Exactly, yet nobody is taking exception to having a male only draft registration. The "feminists" are not objecting to that "good" inequality. Just as those that say medical care insurance actuarial risk should not be based on gender (since women would pay more) but it is fine for auto insurance actuarial risk (since women now pay less).
 
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]I resent this land being called the USA as it does not represent anything it stood for and anything I find of value.
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One of the great things about the USA is that people can say things like you just said and they don't get locked up for it.

Some of the citizens of the USA are ready to go to war and take a chance on losing their lifes to protect the rights that they have as U.S.citizens.

Others-not so much.
 
One of the great things about the USA is that people can say things like you just said and they don't get locked up for it.

Some of the citizens of the USA are ready to go to war and take a chance on losing their lifes to protect the rights that they have as U.S.citizens.

Others-not so much.

I am far more willing to fight the government than fight for the government at this point.

It's telling that people find it worthy of note that they don't get jailed for speaking their mind.
 
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I am far more willing to fight the government than fight for the government at this point.

It's telling that people find it worthy of note that they don't get jailed for speaking their mind.




In some countries on this planet not only do you get thrown in jail for speaking out against the government lots of other bad things happen to you.

And if you try to leave you might end up under the ground. (North Korea is a good example of this.)
 
Of course, long as it's a legal war that's gone through the steps as others have said and a draft is necessary.

So, like WW2, for example -- crucial war in human history. You have a duty to defend your country.
 
In some countries on this planet not only do you get thrown in jail for speaking out against the government lots of other bad things happen to you.

And if you try to leave you might end up under the ground. (North Korea is a good example of this.)

In this country we do get thrown in jail for speaking our mind or at the very least acted on in some sort of way. We might be able to say a great deal more than people in North Korea, but don't fool yourself into thinking you are free and can actually speak your mind.
 
In this country we do get thrown in jail for speaking our mind or at the very least acted on in some sort of way. We might be able to say a great deal more than people in North Korea, but don't fool yourself into thinking you are free and can actually speak your mind.




You are speaking your mind on this forum.

What has happened to you?
 
A country is the people in it...not the country itself.

Sacrificing people without their consent to save their country is wrong, IMO.

Every citizen should have the choice whether to enlist or not...even if by not enlisting, the country will not 'survive'.

Freedom of choice is FAR more important then any country.
 
A country has a right to a military draft during a time of peace.
 
Do you have a right to force people to fight for you? Yes or no? Why would it be any different for the government?

... because the government isn't like me.
 
... because the government isn't like me.

So all I must do to violate the natural rights of people and be righteous in my cause is form an organization called the government. To many of you if I were to do this I can draft people to my cause even if that might mean their death, ignore their lack of consent and take from them whatever I desire and declare I need it to provide them services that they never asked to receive.
 
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If said country is under threat of invasion or ceasing to exist, then yes. It's civic duty to protect your land and your people.
 
If said country is under threat of invasion or ceasing to exist, then yes. It's civic duty to protect your land and your people.

I have no duty to something I never joined freely.
 
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