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Does a Country have the right to the draft during a time of war.

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Henrin said:
I would have no plans to pay the fine either, so I would assume they would just take it from me only providing me further evidence to not respect their authority. In times of war if they decided to jail me, assuming they caught me, then so be it. I have no plans to assist them or to do their will.
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Once again, I've heard those words before, decades ago, from many people. They don't hold up.
 
mak2 said:
I had to sign up for the draft as a corporal in the Marine Corps. If I had gotten drafted, would I have had to go home?
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No, how do you think they staff the division stuck in Korea? :mrgreen:
 
clownboy said:
Once again, I've heard those words before, decades ago, from many people. They don't hold up.
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I am not them and they are not me. I have no reason to expect I will buckle to punishments or threats that I have no reason to respect.
 
Henrin said:
No matter if its the government or a common thug if you don't obey their orders they could cause a great deal of harm on to you.
I'm not overly convinced that the actions of the government are warranted simply because they go by the name of the US government and not by the name of a common thug.
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The U.S. Government was put into power by the votes of a majority of your fellow citizens.

Anyone who chooses to ignore a draft call-up notice will pay the consequences.

Since I'm seventy years old and I already served 6 years on active duty I don't believe that I will ever be called up.
 
shrubnose said:
The U.S. Government was put into power by the votes of a majority of your fellow citizens.
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I highly doubt the majority of the population votes at all. Actually, I know they don't. I also don't care what the majority of the population votes for and regardless of what they do I will still have my own mind and my own opinion on matters.

Anyone who chooses to ignore a draft call-up notice will pay the consequences.

Since I'm seventy years old and I already served 6 years on active duty I don't believe that I will ever be called up.
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Then let the government prove themselves unworthy by compelling it's citizens to die for them. It only provides me assistance in my case against them.
 
Henrin said:
You know, I didn't even register for the draft and I had no plans to do so, but my mother realized my plan to disobey and registered me before anything came about from it. Still, I had no plans to do anything the government asked of me and if left to my own devices I wouldn't have. You can threaten me with whatever you desire and I assure you I will still stand by my convictions.

If you really believe you want to draft people in the military than you better be willing to deal with people that have no plans to listen to your commands and show up completely unwilling to listen to anything any of the military officers have to say.
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Those people will end up behind bars and they will pay a price for their violation of U.S. law.

They will get no sympathy from me.

With rights come responsibilities.
 
shrubnose said:
Those people will end up behind bars and they will pay a price for their violation of U.S. law.

They will get no sympathy from me.

With rights come responsibilities.
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I never accepted that premise. It makes little sense to me to say I have a responsibility to die for people that I never agreed to be part of.
 
Henrin said:
I highly doubt the majority of the population votes at all. Actually, I know they don't. I also don't care what the majority of the population votes for and regardless of what they do I will still have my own mind and my own opinion on matters.

Then let the government prove themselves unworthy by compelling it's citizens to die for them. It only provides me assistance in my case against them.
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No, it doesn't provide you with anything other than facing the consequences. Either you face them or comply. Easy to talk about enduring jail time right up until it's your current reality.
 
Henrin said:
I highly doubt the majority of the population votes at all. Actually, I know they don't. I also don't care what the majority of the population votes for and regardless of what they do I will still have my own mind and my own opinion on matters.



Then let the government prove themselves unworthy by compelling it's citizens to die for them. It only provides me assistance in my case against them.
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If you don't respond to a draft call-up notice you'll be fighting your case from prison.
 
clownboy said:
No, it doesn't provide you with anything other than facing the consequences. Either you face them or comply. Easy to talk about enduring jail time right up until it's your current reality.
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Jail doesn't scare me and by all accounts robbing me of my liberty because I refuse to die for you only provides me evidence of your unworthiness.
 
Henrin said:
I never accepted that premise. It makes little sense to me to say I have a responsibility to die for people that I never agreed to be part of.
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Yes you have, you agreed with your feet. As long as you remain a US citizen and selective service remains the law you accept that responsibility. You are free to move and renounce your citizenship. However, chances are good your new host country will have the same or similar law.
 
clownboy said:
Yes you have, you agreed with your feet. As long as you remain a US citizen and selective service remains the law you accept that responsibility. You are free to move and renounce your citizenship. However, chances are good your new host country will have the same or similar law.
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iliveonramen said:
Well there is some form of consent there as long as you have US citizenship.
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No, simply living in a country doesn't mean you consent to do business with any other person or body of persons. It usually just means you were born and the rules of the governance of that land were forced on you. There is no consent given to that governance nor did that governance ask for it. Declaring that I must move or renounce my citizenship to not be under their command only proves my point.

Being born doesn't mean that I agreed to anything, and in fact, I never even agreed to be born in the first place.
 
shrubnose said:
If you want to take a chance that you won't end up in prison, go for it.

As I have said you will get no sympathy from me.

I'm one of the people who would turn you in.
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If the country is under attack and I feel I can get away there is little doubt I will take it. There is nothing here worth fighting for honestly.
 
Henrin said:
No, simply living in a country doesn't mean you consent to do business with any other person or body of persons. It usually just means you were born and the rules of the governance of that land were forced on you. There is no consent given to that governance nor did that governance ask for it. Declaring that I must move or renounce my citizenship to not be under their command only proves my point.

Being born doesn't mean that I agreed to anything, and in fact, I never even agreed to be born in the first place.
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Silly argument that doesn't meet the reality that you make the choice to stay after the age of adulthood is reached. The fact that you're still here, still have not renounced citizenship means you assent to that governance.
 
cpgrad08 said:
This came up in another thread. Do you believe that a country was the right to draft it's citizens into it's armed forces during a time of war.

I personally believed that it does if that country is going to survive.


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In regards to the United States I'm talking about an official declaration of war being declared.
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The draft would likely never happen again because of gender equality. To few military positions exist, outside of ground pounding infantry, that would benefit from a draft. Placing an equal amount of men and women in those positions is not going to happen.
 
Henrin said:
If the country is under attack and I feel I can get away there is little doubt I will take it. There is nothing here worth fighting for honestly.
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ttwtt78640 said:
The draft would likely never happen again because of gender equality. To few military positions exist, outside of ground pounding infantry, that would benefit from a draft. Placing an equal amount of men and women in those positions is not going to happen.
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Agreed. Not to mention folks can't get out of it by being gay anymore. :mrgreen:
 
clownboy said:
Silly argument that doesn't meet the reality that you make the choice to stay after the age of adulthood is reached. The fact that you're still here, still have not renounced citizenship means you assent to that governance.
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Shear nonsense. Not acting to renounce my citizenship that would cost me a great deal of money in taxes doesn't mean I consent to anything. It simply means I don't wish to be taxed out of my ass. Even if that wasn't the case however not acting to relieve myself of the government doesn't mean I have issued my consent. Your argument is as silly as those fools that argue voting is issuing your consent to all laws.
 
Henrin said:
If the country is under attack and I feel I can get away there is little doubt I will take it. There is nothing here worth fighting for honestly.
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No one is forced to live in the USA.

The entrances to the exits are wide open.
 
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