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Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

Roman Polanski and your perception of France

  • I can't believe France is protecting a child raper

    Votes: 13 59.1%

  • The French are absolutely correct to do what they're doing.

    Votes: 3 13.6%

  • It's wrong, but hey... cest la vie

    Votes: 4 18.2%

  • A little rape never harmed anyone.

    Votes: 2 9.1%
  • Total voters
    22
Peter Grimm said:
Bingo.
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Really? So he wasn't arrested? Hmmm.

Yep.
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No, you don't.

You said "nothing to lose sleep over," implying that he was losing sleep over this issue.
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Then by that same token, you made a thread about this non-issue, implying that you cared a great deal- which "lose sleep over" is a euphemism for. Or are sometimes implications incorrect?

He might be, but I doubt it. So what's your point here, that this discussion is trivial? In some ways, you're right. That doesn't mean it isn't worth discussing.
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It's laughable on an international relations level.

All this stuff still happened. The French are still harboring a child raper. If all I'm doing is stating facts, how can anyone possibly complain about that?
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I don't think anyone is complaining. It's just kinda silly. The French are also harboring killers, torturers, etc. So are the Chinese. So are the Indians. So are the Australians. So are the Americans. So are the Germans. So what? Why do we care about one individual of them?
 
OldWorldOrder said:
How did the country and aid and abet? Did they help plan it? Help in its execution? Help him avoid arrest?

Do you know what 'aid and abet' means? Cause it looks like no.



Did I accuse anyone of losing sleep? I'm giving my opinion that this is such a trivial non-issue in state-to-state relations that it's laughable. This is like a cable news type of issue.
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If you want to turn this in to a less-trivial discussion though, we can discuss the need for some international extradition standards. Criminals should not be able to flee across borders willy-nilly, as is the case today. We really need broader and deeper extradition treaties and we really need them to originate from a body like the UN where they can apply to everyone.
 
Peter Grimm said:
If you want to turn this in to a less-trivial discussion though, we can discuss the need for some international extradition standards. Criminals should not be able to flee across borders willy-nilly, as is the case today. We really need broader and deeper extradition treaties and we really need them to originate from a body like the UN where they can apply to everyone.
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There are standards. Not every nation agrees as far as law enforcement goes, though. Would you agree to extradite someone to Saudi Arabia that converted from Islam to Christianity? Now we see the problem.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Really? So he wasn't arrested? Hmmm.



No, you don't.



Then by that same token, you made a thread about this non-issue, implying that you cared a great deal- which "lose sleep over" is a euphemism for. Or are sometimes implications incorrect?



It's laughable on an international relations level.



I don't think anyone is complaining. It's just kinda silly. The French are also harboring killers, torturers, etc. So are the Chinese. So are the Indians. So are the Australians. So are the Americans. So are the Germans. So what? Why do we care about one individual of them?
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Yeah, there was a warrant out for his arrest when he boarded the plane to go to France. There's a warrant out for his arrest today. So yes, France is helping him avoid arrest which means they are aiding and abetting him in his crime.

And since you ask, yes I do care about this issue, that's exactly why I started this thread.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
There are standards. Not every nation agrees as far as law enforcement goes, though. Would you agree to extradite someone to Saudi Arabia that converted from Islam to Christianity? Now we see the problem.
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Oh I see the problem. That doesn't mean it doesn't need to happen in some form. I think certain things, like rape for example, are universally regarded as criminal and, in those cases, we can probably come to more of a consensus regarding extradition.
 
Harshaw said:
When I saw that you quoted me, I snickered out loud "oh, this should be good." As far as inane, pointless responses go, this didn't disappoint.

It was already made clear that the death penalty would not and could not be in play here, at all. You suggest that it could somehow change, and that suggestion is 100% koo-koo for Coca Puffs, based no doubt on a willful ignorance in favor of a compelling desire to bash the United States. There is no possibility that there could be a death penalty at play here, none whatsoever.

Not to mention it has absolutely nothing to do with the reasons I objected to soot's post and what HE said.

Why do you continue to post such sniveling, ignorant things no matter how many times you're crushed down afterwards? Is bashing the US really so important to you that you're willing to come off as an idiot just about every time?
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Again you seem to have no knowledge of the case. He made a plea deal, the judge agreed, then suddenly flipped after Roman had served the time and that is when he bolted. It is ironic that the judge in the case gets no blame what so ever, nor the US justice system and instead you go after France for sticking to its principles..
 
Peter Grimm said:
Yeah, there was a warrant out for his arrest when he boarded the plane to go to France. There's a warrant out for his arrest today. So yes, France is helping him avoid arrest which means they are aiding and abetting him in his crime.
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He was arrested. He was then released. So no, they didn't help him. Then he boarded a plane and left. That wasn't helping.

They just won't give him back. Big deal.

And since you ask, yes I do care about this issue, that's exactly why I started this thread.
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Well, I think it's a joke. Best left for Nancy Grace.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Oh I see the problem. That doesn't mean it doesn't need to happen in some form. I think certain things, like rape for example, are universally regarded as criminal and, in those cases, we can probably come to more of a consensus regarding extradition.
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The world would be a lot easier if everyone just agreed on everything. If France sees the death penalty as horribly as we see killing someone for leaving their religion, let em. Who cares? It's not important.
 
PeteEU said:
Again you seem to have no knowledge of the case. He made a plea deal, the judge agreed, then suddenly flipped after Roman had served the time and that is when he bolted. It is ironic that the judge in the case gets no blame what so ever, nor the US justice system and instead you go after France for sticking to its principles..
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What principles are those, that child rape should go unpunished?

You can criticize the US justice system all you want, but the fact is that nothing occurred with was outside the rules. Certainly nothing occurred which would exonerate Polanski of what he did.
 
PeteEU said:
Again you seem to have no knowledge of the case. He made a plea deal, the judge agreed, then suddenly flipped after Roman had served the time and that is when he bolted. It is ironic that the judge in the case gets no blame what so ever, nor the US justice system and instead you go after France for sticking to its principles..
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I'm the one who has no knowledge of the case, and you're the one oblivious to France refusing to extradite not because of any of that, but because of objection to the death penalty?

Why do you also always insist on digging the hole deeper for yourself?
 
OldWorldOrder said:
The world would be a lot easier if everyone just agreed on everything. If France sees the death penalty as horribly as we see killing someone for leaving their religion, let em. Who cares? It's not important.
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Justice is always important.
 
clownboy said:
The only principle applied here is that the French don't consider drugging and having non-consensual sex with a 13 year old child rape. Add into that Roman was famous in France and that combined with money meant no extradition. This case had nothing whatsoever to do with the death penalty.

If you're going to be a non-extradition country then you should also be on the trade exclusion list. Oh, and you can then have all our child rapists and murderers, see how that works out for you.

The time he served was nothing, he's managed to pull a modified OJ with the help of the French. Doesn't speak well of the French.
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No again.. the French do not extradite people to countries with the death penalty and they especially do not extradite French citizens. Polanski was at the time a French citizenship and the judge in fact wanted to kick him out after a prison sentence that he had promised in the plea agreement not to give.
 
PeteEU said:
Roman Polanski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The issue here is actually that the Judge ****ed up. Polanski served the time agreed. The judge was going to go back on his word and agreement, and THAT is the reason that he fled.
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Why he fled is immaterial. He had an obligation to stay and face the music. Now, he is a wanted man. The fact remains that he raped a child and has gone unpunished, and France is the reason.
 
PeteEU said:
No again.. the French do not extradite people to countries with the death penalty and they especially do not extradite French citizens. Polanski was at the time a French citizenship and the judge in fact wanted to kick him out after a prison sentence that he had promised in the plea agreement not to give.
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Wrong.
 
Because this just happened recently?

Slow news day
 
Peter Grimm said:
Spoken like a true idealist. :cool:
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lol

You never answered why you care about a child rapist in France but don't care about those types of people walking free in lots of other countries, including the US.

Why?

You also never responded when I told you that no, Polanski was arrested and no, France didn't help him avoid arrest.

Why?
 
OldWorldOrder said:
lol

You never answered why you care about a child rapist in France but don't care about those types of people walking free in lots of other countries, including the US.
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Who says I don't care about those types of people walking around in other countries? I think all child rapists should get what's coming to them. That kind of thing should never be allowed to go unpunished - I don't care how rich you are, I don't care how powerful your buddies are, nobody should be above the law.

And that's really what happened here, isn't it? The man did the crime and got away with it, because of his money, power, and fame. That ain't right. The law needs to apply to everyone.

How else can we protect society's most vulnerable - if a 13 year old girl doesn't need our protection, I don't know what we even have laws for.

OldWorldOrder said:
You also never responded when I told you that no, Polanski was arrested and no, France didn't help him avoid arrest.

Why?
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France is currently helping him avoid arrest. There's a warrant out for Roman Polanski, and France is choosing to ignore it. That's pretty cut and dry if you ask me.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
How did the country and aid and abet? Did they help plan it? Help in its execution? Help him avoid arrest?

Do you know what 'aid and abet' means? Cause it looks like no.
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Heh, open mouth and remove all doubt eh? They did indeed help him to avoid arrest AND hindered efforts to take him into custody. That falls under aid and abet.


OldWorldOrder said:
Did I accuse anyone of losing sleep? I'm giving my opinion that this is such a trivial non-issue in state-to-state relations that it's laughable. This is like a cable news type of issue.
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Actually no, it is more significant than that, or should be to our government. We have an extradition treaty with France. If they are not going to honor that then our government should make them feel the consequences of violating said treaty. We should have cut off trade back when he first fled and they refused.
 
Peter Grimm said:
So if you want to rape a young girl, the key to never having to go to jail is to avoid capture for long enough where the victim has moved on with her life and doesn't want to drag it up anymore.

No thanks.
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I didn't say that at all. I'm talking about THIS specific case. Let's keep the correct frame of reference. Interfering in this woman's life is unwelcome. She believes justice is not the DA's purpose in bringing this up now and she prefers not to be part of his publicity, name making opportunity. If we examine the details and look at the case honestly, this is what is best for this woman. We need to trust her to know her own mind.
 
Gina said:
I didn't say that at all. I'm talking about THIS specific case. Let's keep the correct frame of reference. Interfering in this woman's life is unwelcome. She believes justice is not the DA's purpose in bringing this up now and she prefers not to be part of his publicity, name making opportunity. If we examine the details and look at the case honestly, this is what is best for this woman. We need to trust her to know her own mind.
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Don't think that I don't see it from your perspective, I do. I understand what you're saying. I just look at it a little differently.

I think that she's been able to overcome this is a testament to her strength and resilience. I admire her for that. She's no longer a child, but a grown woman. To me, at the heart of this issue is the protection of children.

While I respect this woman's point of view, to me the most important question we need to be asking is what needs to be done to protect every other 13 year old girl out there from predators like this. The ones who are still children and who need our protection.

Here's how I see what happened. A sick 43 year old man sexually assaulted a child. He was able to get away with it because he is rich, powerful, and well-connected.

I think it's important to recognize that for what it is. What's to stop it from happening again? What's to stop another wealthy, powerful, connected man from treating another young girl like a piece of trash?

There is nothing to stop that, because we haven't shown that we're strong enough or willing enough to do anything about these sorts of people. They just walk between the raindrops.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Who says I don't care about those types of people walking around in other countries? I think all child rapists should get what's coming to them. That kind of thing should never be allowed to go unpunished - I don't care how rich you are, I don't care how powerful your buddies are, nobody should be above the law.

And that's really what happened here, isn't it? The man did the crime and got away with it, because of his money, power, and fame. That ain't right. The law needs to apply to everyone.

How else can we protect society's most vulnerable - if a 13 year old girl doesn't need our protection, I don't know what we even have laws for.
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We have laws to have a generally orderly society. Oftentimes, for international relations purposes, that's ignored.

France is currently helping him avoid arrest. There's a warrant out for Roman Polanski, and France is choosing to ignore it. That's pretty cut and dry if you ask me.
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But he got arrested...are you saying he wasn't arrested? France just isn't sending him back. The US can send the FBI and try to arrest him if they want. Why don't they?
 
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