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Will you be following Obama's Advice?

Will You be Selling Obamacare at Thanksgiving?

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 7.0%

  • No

    Votes: 53 93.0%
  • Total voters
    57
jmotivator said:
Organizing for Action has urged Americans to go to their Thanksgiving dinners armed with talking points ready to talk to family about Obamacare.

Are you going to be one of them?
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What the banana split?
 
Boo Radley said:
Insurance companies raise premiums all the time, unlikely ACA affected them. Insurances are dropped, and changed all the time. This was happening before ACA, so you have to show a direct link, and not just because the insurance company says so. There has to be a reason. Business has dropped insurance long before ACA. There's been no real increase. So, while not perfect, and of some concern, it has not been what many claim.
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So the 40% increase in our group insurance received immediately after the ACA passed, which previously had seen increases of the 15-18% range, had nothing to do with insurance companies realizing what the costs of the ACA were going to do to insurance rates?

So those letters from the insurance companies saying 'because of necessary compliance with the ACA, this policy will not be renewed' has nothing to do with the ACA? Wow, I'm glad someone told me that.

I'd like to see some numbers, how many companies dropped health insurance for the employees prior to the ACA, and their stated reasons.

I'm thinking your view may be just a wee to the rosy side of things, Bo.
 
GottaGo said:
So the 40% increase in our group insurance received immediately after the ACA passed, which previously had seen increases of the 15-18% range, had nothing to do with insurance companies realizing what the costs of the ACA were going to do to insurance rates?

So those letters from the insurance companies saying 'because of necessary compliance with the ACA, this policy will not be renewed' has nothing to do with the ACA? Wow, I'm glad someone told me that.

I'd like to see some numbers, how many companies dropped health insurance for the employees prior to the ACA, and their stated reasons.

I'm thinking your view may be just a wee to the rosy side of things, Bo.
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And why would it raise? Think about that for a minute. Nothing happened (though such rate hikes have been seen before ACA).

Not being rosy, but being honest. I don't claim no effect, or no problems, but only that they are over blown, and some either an overreaction or deliberate dishonesty by those raising prices.
 
Boo Radley said:
And why would it raise? Think about that for a minute. Nothing happened (though such rate hikes have been seen before ACA).

Not being rosy, but being honest. I don't claim no effect, or no problems, but only that they are over blown, and some either an overreaction or deliberate dishonesty by those raising prices.
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Nothing happened????

Can you honestly say that adding 3-odd million people to an insurance pool, removing caps, capping rates and adding PE coverage is not going to increase the rates before the law stops them? Do you think the actuaries didn't crunch a few numbers and realize even in the best case scenario rates were going to go up because their pay outs were going to skyrocket?

Of course some insurance companies played the numbers game, that's exactly what I am talking about. Get it now while they can, before the law limits them on how much they can increase the rates. Since this whole delay game has come into play, it's another opportunity for them to claim costs and raise the rates....
 
GottaGo said:
Nothing happened????

Can you honestly say that adding 3-odd million people to an insurance pool, removing caps, capping rates and adding PE coverage is not going to increase the rates before the law stops them? Do you think the actuaries didn't crunch a few numbers and realize even in the best case scenario rates were going to go up because their pay outs were going to skyrocket?

Of course some insurance companies played the numbers game, that's exactly what I am talking about. Get it now while they can, before the law limits them on how much they can increase the rates. Since this whole delay game has come into play, it's another opportunity for them to claim costs and raise the rates....
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That helps insurance companies and doesn't hurt them. There is no logical reason for significant reason for rates to go up. In states like mind, they didn't. Some states didn't act wisely, and added to the problems. But logically, having more people in the pool is a plus for insurance companies. It more than counter acts the new costs.
 
Tothian said:
No. Not sure why anyone would do that.

Who is that one person who voted yes, and why?!
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I did. It's a room of doctors and nurses. We'll talk about it. More than half will be for the reform.
 
jmotivator said:
Organizing for Action has urged Americans to go to their Thanksgiving dinners armed with talking points ready to talk to family about Obamacare.

Are you going to be one of them?
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Not no but hell no.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Maybe if you practiced a little self-control...
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At this point, with her family, my patience and self-control are totally tapped out. With a small handful of exceptions they're all "takers", who believe that the world/government owes them something.
 
jmotivator said:
Organizing for Action has urged Americans to go to their Thanksgiving dinners armed with talking points ready to talk to family about Obamacare.

Are you going to be one of them?
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Absolutely not. My family has a very strict policy of no politics or business at the dinner table. I wouldn't sell that propagandized garbage anyway. It's a crap policy that offers sub par coverage and a whole list of unintended concequences that have yet to be fully realized, and it never should have existed in the first place.
 
jmotivator said:
Organizing for Action has urged Americans to go to their Thanksgiving dinners armed with talking points ready to talk to family about Obamacare.

Are you going to be one of them?
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I doubt it... we reserve Thanksgiving chatter to what we are actually thankful for.
 
jmotivator said:
Organizing for Action has urged Americans to go to their Thanksgiving dinners armed with talking points ready to talk to family about Obamacare.

Are you going to be one of them?
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No, I've learned better than to talk politics with my family, particularly my mother. She takes it personally.

And everyone in my family has insurance so it's pointless.
 
jmotivator said:
Organizing for Action has urged Americans to go to their Thanksgiving dinners armed with talking points ready to talk to family about Obamacare.

Are you going to be one of them?
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My family takes Thanksgiving as an opportunity to share with one another things for which we're thankful. They always run the gamut from the here and now to the more broad topics like the freedoms we enjoyed, what Thanksgiving meant to those who first came to this land, and to the multitude of millions who would follow similar dreams - some of whom were our ancestors.

We take Thanksgiving as a time to get together as family, to enjoy being together with one another, to share a meal, some laughs, stories, maybe watch a little football.

Why in the wide, wide world of sports would we EVER use this time instead to celebrate something being immorally and unconstitutionally forced upon a free people contrary to their wishes by a president and political party that had to lie continuously to justify having twisted and debased the very principles upon which this nation was founded for the sake of their selfish political power grab, for the sake of something utterly contrary to the very spirit of the holiday - something as coercive and divisive as Obamacare?
 
We try to set rules about mentioning Obama's name or his programs. It seems to anger everyone in the house and holidays are much happier if the shame of Obama is kept out of it.

Sometimes jokes or Jay Leno quips about Obama slip into the conversation though and that's okay.
 
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As far as my Wife is concerned, politics are taboo at TG.

Nuff said.
 
everybody in my family already has their opinion about ACA and we are all in agreement....it may however be the punch line to a lot of jokes
 
fishinRod said:
everybody in my family already has their opinion about ACA and we are all in agreement....it may however be the punch line to a lot of jokes
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Families that agree? That's a myth isn't it? ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
That helps insurance companies and doesn't hurt them. There is no logical reason for significant reason for rates to go up. In states like mind, they didn't. Some states didn't act wisely, and added to the problems. But logically, having more people in the pool is a plus for insurance companies. It more than counter acts the new costs.
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Adding 3m+/- people to a pool, most who will not be paying premiums themselves (paid by other people) and you don't see a 'logical reason..... rates may go up'? I assume you can do basic math, so maybe you need to check your calculator...

It takes one person with Type 2 Diabetes Insulin Dependent an annual cost of (roughly) $5000 (barring complications)..... aprox 26M Americans with T2D. How can you possibly think those numbers can work?
 
GottaGo said:
Adding 3m+/- people to a pool, most who will not be paying premiums themselves (paid by other people) and you don't see a 'logical reason..... rates may go up'? I assume you can do basic math, so maybe you need to check your calculator...

It takes one person with Type 2 Diabetes Insulin Dependent an annual cost of (roughly) $5000 (barring complications)..... aprox 26M Americans with T2D. How can you possibly think those numbers can work?
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Who pays doesn't effect the insurance company. That's another issue. the fact is they get the money and thus have no need to raise premiums.

And as most new policies will be with young people, again, they will make more than they pay out. Frankly this is how insurance works. You need well people paying for sick people. This is a win for insurance companies.
 
Boo Radley said:
Who pays doesn't effect the insurance company. That's another issue. the fact is they get the money and thus have no need to raise premiums.

And as most new policies will be with young people, again, they will make more than they pay out. Frankly this is how insurance works. You need well people paying for sick people. This is a win for insurance companies.
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It may be a 'win' for insurance companies, they have a captive cliental.

It does not stop them from increasing rates. Since supposedly 'taxes' aren't supposed to go up, exactly where do you think that money is going to come from?
 
GottaGo said:
It may be a 'win' for insurance companies, they have a captive cliental.

It does not stop them from increasing rates. Since supposedly 'taxes' aren't supposed to go up, exactly where do you think that money is going to come from?
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Nothing "stops" them from raising rates (part of my point BTW), but there is no logical reason for them to raise them.

And taxes, like anything else, can be manipulated, taking some from one place to another. But that too is a different issue. Cost should be measured not where it came from, but whether it costs less or more. Spending less, even if it is more in taxes, is a fair trade, as it has to be made up some place else.
 
Boo Radley said:
Who pays doesn't effect the insurance company. That's another issue. the fact is they get the money and thus have no need to raise premiums.

And as most new policies will be with young people, again, they will make more than they pay out. Frankly this is how insurance works. You need well people paying for sick people. This is a win for insurance companies.
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Young adults aren't signing up and I don't blame them. Why do they need substance abuse and therapy? Why does a young adult need child care insurance?
 
pbrauer said:
The reason is that group plans already cover both men and woman health. So the individual market is being brought up to that standard.

Why Is Maternity Care Such an Issue for Obamacare Opponents? - Garance Franke-Ruta - The Atlantic
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Not necessarily, but it's a nice argument for destroying the individual market by simply redefining what the individual market is. This is as simple a denial of reality as the statement that all life insurance policies should cost the same and yield the same benefits because all life is equal - no life is worth more than another. It's really a grand thought. It just happens to be untrue in the real world, and no amount of denial will change it.
 
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What's to sell about it? In our progressive seasonal gathering it did make the discussion list, but not the top five things as follows:

Is turkey day murder?

Palestine...

Breaking the taboo of anal pleasure in society?

Gun control now....

Birth Control and the GOPs war on women...

And yes Obamacare will be discussed but not until these top five have been covered. We are progressives, here us roar....
 
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