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Did Oswald kill Kennedy

Did Oswald kill Kennedy

  • Yes and he acted alone, warren report was right

    Votes: 30 48.4%
  • Yes but he was part of a larger plot

    Votes: 20 32.3%
  • No, somebody else did the shooting

    Votes: 12 19.4%

  • Total voters
    62
Dallas Police arrested Oswald 1st for the murder of Officer Tippet, so thier Jurisdiction is final 1st.

They supposedly arrested him for shooting Tippet, but as soon as he got to the Police station he was charged with killing the President. How convienent!
 
They supposedly arrested him for shooting Tippet, but as soon as he got to the Police station he was charged with killing the President. How convienent!

At the time they took him in the movie theatre, there was not PC to arrest/charge him with Murdering the President.
 
I would love to go there someday.

It is a very educational place to visit, Lawboy. And catty-corner across from the school book depository is The Old Red museum. It is full of Texas history. I really enjoyed it.
 
At the time they took him in the movie theatre, there was not PC to arrest/charge him with Murdering the President.

So how and where did they get the authority to charge him with killing the President? Unless it had already been decided---
 
So how and where did they get the authority to charge him with killing the President? Unless it had already been decided---

I don't know how soon after being taken in they charged him with killing the President, you said 45 minutes?

Evidence was developed I suppose in between the shots fired and having him in custody for shooting Tippet.
 
Actually, there were about 50 eye-witness reports of seeing smoke or hearing a gunshot coming from the grassy knoll. That's in the Warren Report.

Who? When? We have eyewitnesses seeing a man on the sixth floor with a rifle, witnesses to Oswald owning that rifle, and a witness who gave him a ride to work that morning and remarked at the package Oswald was carrying ('curtain rods', he was told.

Yet for all of the cameras and movie cameras at Dealey Plaza that day, there's not a single image or photo of anybody at the 'Grassy knoll'. All of the credible, eye witness reports say the shots came from above and behind the motorcade.

However, I think I'm done with this. Conspiracy theorists believe whatever the hell they want to, and nothing ever changes their minds.
 
Conspiracy's usually don't last this long without any evidence to support it and its so much in the public eye it would be impossible for it to be any other way since then it would suggest the government had to have knowledge of "who" really killed Kennedy and the people behind it and lets face the fact the United states cant keep a secret for to long .
 
Conspiracy's usually don't last this long without any evidence to support it and its so much in the public eye it would be impossible for it to be any other way since then it would suggest the government had to have knowledge of "who" really killed Kennedy and the people behind it and lets face the fact the United states cant keep a secret for to long .

This will put the times in context. Read the entire article.

JFK's Vision of Peace: RFK Jr. on John F. Kennedy's Attempts to End the Cold War | Politics News | Rolling Stone

"On November 22nd, 1963, my uncle, president John F. Kennedy, went to Dallas intending to condemn as "nonsense" the right-wing notion that "peace is a sign of weakness." He meant to argue that the best way to demonstrate American strength was not by using destructive weapons and threats but by being a nation that "practices what it preaches about equal rights and social justice," striving toward peace instead of "aggressive ambitions." Despite the Cold War rhetoric of his campaign, JFK's greatest ambition as president was to break the militaristic ideology that has dominated our country since World War II. He told his close friend Ben Bradlee that he wanted the epitaph "He kept the peace," and said to another friend, William Walton, "I am almost a 'peace at any price' president." Hugh Sidey, a journalist and friend, wrote that the governing aspect of JFK's leadership was "a total revulsion" of war. Nevertheless, as James W. Douglass argues in his book JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters, JFK's presidency would be a continuous struggle with his own military and intelligence agencies, which engaged in incessant schemes to trap him into escalating the Cold War into a hot one. His first major confrontation with the Pentagon, the Bay of Pigs catastrophe, came only three months into his presidency and would set the course for the next 1,000 days."

Read more: JFK's Vision of Peace: RFK Jr. on John F. Kennedy's Attempts to End the Cold War | Politics News | Rolling Stone
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JFK's Vision of Peace: RFK Jr. on John F. Kennedy's Attempts to End the Cold War | Politics News | Rolling Stone
 
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Yes, it was odd that he wasn't in Federal custody. If any crime would put you there, presidential assassination should have done so.

Ruby liked his short lived role as the guy who wouldn't crack.

He never did.

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Amanda1858 said:
They supposedly arrested him for shooting Tippet, but as soon as he got to the Police station he was charged with killing the President. How convienent!
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lawboy said:
I don't know how soon after being taken in they charged him with killing the President, you said 45 minutes?

Evidence was developed I suppose in between the shots fired and having him in custody for shooting Tippet.


Killing a President was not a Federal crime so LHO could not have been prosecuted
on Federal charges. Nor had the state of Texas yet charged him- LHO was never
charged with killing anyone other than Officer Tippet.
 
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Who? When? We have eyewitnesses seeing a man on the sixth floor with a rifle, witnesses to Oswald owning that rifle, and a witness who gave him a ride to work that morning and remarked at the package Oswald was carrying ('curtain rods', he was told.

Yet for all of the cameras and movie cameras at Dealey Plaza that day, there's not a single image or photo of anybody at the 'Grassy knoll'. All of the credible, eye witness reports say the shots came from above and behind the motorcade.

However, I think I'm done with this. Conspiracy theorists believe whatever the hell they want to, and nothing ever changes their minds.

It's in the Warren Report. It doesn't mean that there actually was a shooter on the grassy knoll, it just means that about 50 witnesses testified to the commission that they heard a bang or saw smoke coming from that direction.

It was chaotic, people get confused.

Now let me talk to you about the moon landing....
 
The thing I've never understood about conspiracy theories regarding the Kennedy Assasination is this:

If it was a conspiracy, it was a great one. It has maintained its integrity for 50 years, with no serious challenge to it. Ergo, these conspirators were pretty smart cookies. Brilliant, even.

They were so brilliant, as Vincent Bugalosi points out, that they had Oswald shoot Kennedy and then wander around the streets of Dallas for an hour or so before finally getting himself arrested and falling into the hands of the police.

Lets face it, if Oswald had really been the fall guy for the Mob, or the CIA, they would have had a car waiting for him somewhere close and he would have been taken to the nearest lake, outfitted with cement shoes, and never been seen again.
 
Killing a President was not a Federal crime so LHO could not have been prosecuted on Federal charges. Nor had the state of Texas yet charged him- LHO was never charged with killing anyone other than Officer Tippet.

You saying this law was not in place in 1963 after 3 President's had already been murdered an there was an attempt on Truman.

18 USC § 1751 - Presidential and Presidential staff assassination, kidnapping, and assault; penalties

(a) Whoever kills

(1) any individual who is the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice President, or, if there is no Vice President, the officer next in the order of succession to the Office of the President of the United States, the Vice President-elect, or any person who is acting as President under the Constitution and laws of the United States...
 
My father was a conspiracy theorist...like most people of the time who closely followed the confusing and mysterious course of events that followed the JFK Assassination. He had a whole shelf of books by conspiracy theorists, and I guess growing up hearing some of the talk about the Assassination and looking in to a few of books, sparked a casual interest in the subject for me.

For me, the JFK Assassination has grown too complicated and confusing to make definitive conclusions...even with some of the new material that has been declassified in recent years. That is actually the biggest argument against the status quo concept that everything happened like the Warren Commission reported. The claim that it couldn't possibly be a conspiracy theory because it would be too complex and hard to manage begins to fall apart when you consider that there are thousands of pages of reports and data hiding in plain sight, and there is no consensus on what actually did happen that day in Dallas. The Lone Gunman supporters make different claims about the forensic evidence, and so do the conspiracy theorists who believe Oswald either was not the assassin, or one of a number of assassins hired for the job. There are a number of mysterious deaths of witnesses or people who claimed to know something. A prominent reporter of the time - Dorothy Kilgallan, for some reason decided to take an overdose of barbituates and kill herself a day or two after announcing on network TV that she was able to interview Oswald's assassin - Jack Ruby. That was likely the main reason why my mother is a conspiracy theorist also!

After listening to some of the coverage on the 50th anniversary, one thing that becomes clear is that there are many different groups with motive and the capacity to assassinate the President. Kennedy had more enemies than the Mafia...or Castro....or the Cuban emigres who thought Kennedy would have to give in and use U.S. troops to support the Bay of Pigs Invasion...or the Soviets...or even the CIA.

A couple of factoids that I heard recently that I wasn't aware of before, is that Kennedy threatened to either abolish or reduce the depletion tax allowances given to oil companies for wellhead production. This is the greatest tax giveaway in history, and is rarely mentioned; but back 50 years ago, when Kennedy was looking at a ballooning deficit, he was considering slashing that depreciation allowance as part of his efforts to balance the budget. Yet I have never heard the Texas oilmen or their affiliates mentioned whenever motives for killing the president are discussed!

Or, what about the major banks which make up the Federal Reserve System? Another point I wasn't aware of before was that Kennedy was the first president since Lincoln to have the Federal Government issue its own currency....a plan that was quickly scrapped after his untimely death. The currency management system works by the Federal Government allowing the majors to use their powers of fractional reserve banking to create new money out of thin air as debt obligations, and collect the interest payments from the Federal Government. Kennedy...like Lincoln, asked 'why not create our own money, instead of buying it from the banks and paying them interest on that money?' A government-backed currency could have removed the Federal Reserve entirely as an institution, and that would provide America's most powerful bankers with a motive to kill the president!

So, there are so many groups who would have had a motive, just trying to trace it back to the source would be extremely difficult. If oil company tycoons or major bank executives thought of hatching a plot to kill the president, it's an obvious fact that they would not have their fingerprints directly on the murder weapon! They would see what their influence in government and try to enlist any number of secondary sources to do the job. So, if a plot involved anti-Castro Cubans, the Mafia or the KGB as are so often mentioned...most recently by John Kerry, they might be acting on behalf of more powerful interests who wanted a change in government.
 
801. Assassination of J.F.K. (11/25/2013)

Yesterday I posted a comment about JFK’s death in Yahoo news. Several minutes later, my comment disappeared from the news comment. I put it here.

You all fall into the trap the mastermind set up for you. Oswald, Johnson, Mafia, Castro….. Did they have ability to organize such a big plot? Think bigger. It is an organization that controls Secret Service, media, lawmakers, police force. That’s why after 50 years, people are still lose in dense fog.

1. Warren Commission was used to cover up the plot. Just like 911 commission used to cover up the truth of 911 attack.


2. Kill Kennedy family members to prevent them to re-gain political power to start a real investigation of J.F.K.’s death.

Robert Kennedy was assassinated when he joined the president campaign. Edward Kennedy suffered a scandal attack and had to drop the president campaign.

I also allege Kennedy’s wife Jacqueline Kennedy and his son John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Jr. were murdered because they had great political influence. I believe their death had connection to my story.

In early 1990s when I was still very innocent about US political system and believed it was a democratic society, I complained to a lot of people that I had become a murder target of the Feds. Then the Feds had a message to me: “So what, they (the Feds) even killed President Kennedy.” (see “17. They killed President Kennedy”) The intimidation hadn’t stopped my complaint but added “they killed President Kennedy” to the story.

As the Feds intensified the persecution, I left US twice. Each time Kennedy family lost an important member.

1. I left for China in 1994. Jacqueline died after I planned the China trip. I started to suspect it might relate to the intimidation from the Feds. It was too coincident.

2. Next time it was 1999 when I went to Hong Kong and planned to drift into South East Asia. I learned the death of Jr. Kennedy. It convinced my allegation – the Feds worry that I would reveal their crime of murdering President Kennedy, in abroad they were not able to control the media as they did in domestic US. To prevent a possible reaction from Kennedy family, they kill the main figures of the family in advance.


Edward Kennedy and Jacqueline Kennedy died of cancer. In my description, there were many murdering method through slow poison. The victim targeted were fed to sick gradually, when the time coming they only need to increase the dose to make the death like a natural one.

Jr. Kennedy was too young to die in this way. So he died in an accident. Long time ago when I started to learn something about the E.M. sleep wave, I had read such a news. Air Force lost a plane in a train. The commander center lost its trace. Sometime later, they found the wreckage in a far, far away mountain area. Apparently, the plane exhausted all its fuel and crashed there. Since the pilot was a black man. I thought it was a test to use sleep wave instrument as a weapon. When the pilot felt sleepy, he opened auto pilot instrument. He took a nod, hoping it could help him to overcome the sleepy but could never wake up. The sleeping wave was irresistible – to my experience. If you are driving a car, you may park your car at roadside before you go to sleep, but you can’t park a plane in the air.

I think Jr. Kennedy died in a similar murder plot.
 
Where New JFK Evidence Points



By Jim DiEugenio

Global Research, November 20, 2013

After Oswald returned from Russia – receiving surprisingly little trouble despite his defection – he became friendly with the White Russian community in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. He then went to New Orleans in the summer of 1963. Numerous witnesses had testified to seeing him with former FBI agent Guy Banister or at Banister’s office at 544 Camp Street.

Where New JFK Evidence Points | Global Research

It reminds me of Tarmalan Tsarnayev. Both were used to infiltrate the Russian society (or Chechenya rebels.) When they were exposed (both rejected by Russian intelligence) they became scapegoats to take responsibility of the plot. Both have to die to keep the secret of their relationship to the US intelligence.
 
Who do you think killed Kennedy?

Honestly, I think Oswald did it. I used to buy in to the conspiracy theory until I moved to Dallas. I live, as a matter of fact, walking distance to the site Kennedy was shot and so I've seen it many times - seen the grassy knoll, the book depository, etc.

When you watch Oliver Stone's movie "JFK," the way the camera work is done it really looks like that window in the book depository high up and a long way off, ie it looks like it would take a real marksman to pull off the shooting. When you're actually there in person, you see that the location is perfect for what it was, that Oswald easily could have gotten off 3 accurate shots from there. The building is remarkably close. It would have been a turkey shoot.

What's crazy to me is that they allowed the motorcade to go through such a tight bend, that they allowed Kennedy to be in an open top convertible, and that they didn't block off nearby buildings like the book depository. I just have to chalk it up to being a more naive period in history, that a president hadn't been murdered since Lincoln, and to really shoddy work by the secret service on that day.

Stranger things have happened.
 
The number of "things that don't add up" are too numerous to list. I don't know if Oswald killed or helped kill Kennedy but I feel confident he did not act alone. I also feel confident that the government intentionally covered up the entire matter. It doesn't look like the fatal projectile could have come from above/behind him, there is photographic evidence of his scalp appearing surgically manipulated, and on and on.
 
Honestly, I think Oswald did it. I used to buy in to the conspiracy theory until I moved to Dallas. I live, as a matter of fact, walking distance to the site Kennedy was shot and so I've seen it many times - seen the grassy knoll, the book depository, etc.

When you watch Oliver Stone's movie "JFK," the way the camera work is done it really looks like that window in the book depository high up and a long way off, ie it looks like it would take a real marksman to pull off the shooting. When you're actually there in person, you see that the location is perfect for what it was, that Oswald easily could have gotten off 3 accurate shots from there. The building is remarkably close. It would have been a turkey shoot.

What's crazy to me is that they allowed the motorcade to go through such a tight bend, that they allowed Kennedy to be in an open top convertible, and that they didn't block off nearby buildings like the book depository. I just have to chalk it up to being a more naive period in history, that a president hadn't been murdered since Lincoln, and to really shoddy work by the secret service on that day.

Stranger things have happened.




I agree.

Great post, I love your description of the scene.

You can look at lots of photos and videos, but actually being there is best.
 
You saying this law was not in place in 1963 after 3 President's [sic: Do NOT use apostrophe to signify plural- USV] had already been murdered an there was an attempt on Truman.
Yes.

18 USC § 1751 - Presidential and Presidential staff assassination, kidnapping, and assault; penalties

(a) Whoever kills

(1) any individual who is the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice President, or, if there is no Vice President, the officer next in the order of succession to the Office of the President of the United States, the Vice President-elect, or any person who is acting as President under the Constitution and laws of the United States...
Passed after the Kennedy assassination.
 
26 November 2013, 13:45

'Kennedy made a lot of internal enemies when he was in office' - Jessie Ventura

And then let's look at how the murder of the president was handled - look at his car, his car was a crime scene, he was murdered in it. After they drove to Parkland Hospital to try and safe his life, yellow tape should have been put around that car, that car should have never been touched until forensic could go through with it. Monday morning at orders of new president Lyndon Johnson that car was already up in Michigan being totally refurbished. Nobody got to look at it.

'Kennedy made a lot of internal enemies when he was in office' - Jessie Ventura - News - World - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video

This reminds me of the demolishing of Sand Hook Elementary School. To eliminate the evidence, that’s what the criminals behavior.

Sandy Hook Massacre: School Demolition Crew Sworn to Silence
By James F. Tracy
Global Research, October 20, 2013


Exhaustive in scope, the agreement requires workers to refrain from leaking information on virtually anything encountered on Sandy Hook grounds during or after their time of employment with Consigli Construction, the company subcontracted to carry out the demolition.

No unauthorized disclosure or removal of confidential information from the school, including any oral, written, graphic, software, technology, or virtually any items that belong to the school.

The Sandy Hook Massacre: School Demolition Crew Sworn to Silence | Global Research
 
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