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Social Security Should Be Enhanced, Not Cut, Elizabeth Warren Tells Senate

Should Social Security Retirement be increased?


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GIVE? I prefer EARN....

Everybody prefers to earn money rather than receive it. Preference has nothing to do with it. We have to talk about what works.

How many unemployed people are you capable/willing to hire? There is no way that I would hire a convicted murder, a homeless man or a single mom with 6 kids. Shoot! I don't even have the money to hire a good person.

I prefer EARN....

How do you propose accomplishing this without a totalitarian government? Not everybody wants to hire losers to work for them. Most employers prefer hiring intelligent, skilled, good and honest people to work for them. Even during good economic times the unemployment rate is at 3%. What do we do with those 3%?

I hope you run for office some day but I bet you never will because deep down you know that nobody thinks like you.
 
Many of the rich deserve to be shot immediately after a court convicts them. There are still hundreds of criminals on Wall Street, and in Congress. It IS possible to get rich honestly, those I have no problem with. But the rest of them need to be prosecuted.

that's a silly combination of seething envy and moronic populism
 
It amazes me people approve of their money being taken by the government by force and it amazes me even more that they approve of being called idiots that can't save for their own retirements. I also think it's amazing that people actually want to rob their grandchildren to pay for their retirement.

The problem is few people actually do it and then potentially become a burden on the taxpayers after its too late to go back, relive the past 50 years and save for retirement. The statistical facts simply do not match our idealism. Then I suppose when a generation has not properly planned for retirement and are beyong productive working years, the idealists will then say let the elderly starve and go homeless for not preparing.

Americans' retirement savings falling short, new study says - TwinCities.com
 
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Rich people should not receive social security at all, something that all greedy senior groups disagree with..There is a conservative version of AARP that is worse than they are..Time to means-test the lazy-rich-retired..

They shouldn't receive benefits but they should pay into it? I just want to make sure I'm clear on your position.
 
There are many good posts (and a few not so useful extremist posts) so I'm going to give you an anecdotal case and you can do as you like with the accurate information.

In my lifetime I earned about $6M. I paid $180K into SS and another $180K into Medicare. It took me almost 55 yars to do this.

I retired in my early 50s unofficially and I calimed my Medicare at 65 and my SS at 66. According to SS (those annual statements they send you), I have paid in the MAXIMUM and thus received the MAXIMUM check that a 66 year old could draw which was $2144 (it's gone all the way up to $2177 now:(). So, assuming that I garnered no interest, it will take me 8 years to recover my "investment". If SS had bought me a T-Bill every year, at the current rate of the time, I figure I would have doubled my money by the time I started to draw. So, it will take 16 years for me to feel like I broke even on the deal.

That would mean I will be 82 when I hit break-even. As per the actuarial tables, I will die at 77. As per my family history, I will die in my early 90s (my Mom died voluntarily at 93 and my Dad died a natural death at 100). But they hadn't tried pot, smack, crck, speed and other stuff that I, a garbage-can junkie, have put in my system (in the past - I barely and rarely misbehave now:)

Now, I earn about $25K a year from investments and I get another $25K from SS. That's 50K a year total income. But I spend more than that - I support my ex-wife, I've gifted my son and I have a bst friend who is like a daughter to me and I've helped her buy a house and a car and such-like. So, I consume my savings at the rate of $25K a year. Tis means I will use up about $500K of my savings before the cats and I go to the Rainbow Bridge.

I'm not sure how losing my SS might affect me. Would I stop my generosity and live within my means as I did when I worked? Should I lose my SS because I did save more than $500K? If so, would that be because of the $25K I make on my own or because of my assets?

SS is not means tested which means that Mitt Romney and Specklebang get pretty much the same amount. Rumor has it that Mitt has saved more than I have - should we punish him for this? While I despise the term "slippery slope", it might just be appropriate here.

In the past, I've advocate a Mandatory Savings Account as an alternative to SS but I know this has about the chances of a snowball in hell. Why? Because those that are good at making money love the idea but those who don't make much are fearful they might not save up enough to get a lifetime of checks.

OK, I wrote this so either side can know exactly how this works. Hope it was helpful.
 
How much is enough for you people??
They shouldn't receive benefits but they should pay into it? I just want to make sure I'm clear on your position.
Whatever the law says about them paying in, yes..Means-test the uber-rich!!
 
How much is enough for you people??

Whatever the law says about them paying in, yes..Means-test the uber-rich!!

ahh, so you want to change the very structure of SS and turn it into a means tested welfare program.


if you aren't going to allow them their benefits, it's wrong for you to take their money
 
How much is enough for you people??

Whatever the law says about them paying in, yes..Means-test the uber-rich!!

Forcing someone to pay for something and then prohibiting them from benefiting from that something is outright theft.

While I'm not surprised by your position on this I do find it more than a little disturbing that you (and I have to assume many others) would be OK with such abuses.
 
if you aren't going to allow them their benefits, it's wrong for you to take their money

Anybody ever done payroll? The "FITW" Federal Income Tax Withheld, SS Tax and the Medicare Tax are all added up together. The money is sent to the exact same place. Code Red: High Alert: Social Security is not a retirement fund. Social Security is a tax. This tax is just calculated differently.

Taxes are not intended to benefit the payer of the tax directly. If that were the case it would be pointless to take it.
 
Anybody ever done payroll? The "FITW" Federal Income Tax Withheld, SS Tax and the Medicare Tax are all added up together. The money is sent to the exact same place. Code Red: High Alert: Social Security is not a retirement fund. Social Security is a tax. This tax is just calculated differently.

Taxes are not intended to benefit the payer of the tax directly. If that were the case it would be pointless to take it.

Actually Social Security is OASDI which is "Old-Age, Survivors and Disability Insurance"
Social Security (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What you'll commonly see on your pay stub is FITW and then FICA which is the Federal Insurance Contributions Act which includes both Social Security and Medicare.
 
Anybody ever done payroll? The "FITW" Federal Income Tax Withheld, SS Tax and the Medicare Tax are all added up together. The money is sent to the exact same place. Code Red: High Alert: Social Security is not a retirement fund. Social Security is a tax. This tax is just calculated differently.

Taxes are not intended to benefit the payer of the tax directly. If that were the case it would be pointless to take it.


interesting.. i've never seen anyone deny the existence of SS benefits before.
 
interesting.. i've never seen anyone deny the existence of SS benefits before.

People do get Social Security benefits. I know of several who do. I just think anybody who believes the money that they paid in back in 1972 is the same money paying them today is a lot more optimistic than I am.

The money collected in 2013 is being used to pay beneficiaries in 2013. There is no savings account with your name on it. This Ponzi Scheme will fall apart unless tax payers bail it out. That day isn't too far away. There is no Social Security savings account.

I've been told there used to be a Social Security Fund and I believe it.
 
I think it should be increased, I would like to see the cap taken off and possibly lowering the payroll tax somewhat. Can you imagine what would have happened during the Great Bush recession if there wasn't Social Security?


Increase benefits while lowering the related tax? Sure, that will help balance the books. :roll:
 
I think Social Security should be brought into alignment with its true purpose, which is old age insurance, which means we should align what "old age" means, which is living past the average life expectancy. Bring the eligibility age into congruence with average life expectancy and the program becomes 1) incontrovertibly fair and 2) solvent forever.
 
1. Warren is verifiably in open defiance of reality if she thinks that entitlements are not the key drivers of our current spending and future debt.

2. She is right that currently Social Security is a rotten surprise for seniors who think that it's going to take care of them. The average baby boomer is retiring with around $255K saved, and often in debt - they think that SS is going to be their backstop. They are woefully mistaken; even if SS was able to last throughout their retirement (and it will not), the average payments are too low for decent living - and they are lower for our lower income retirees, who are least likely to have been able to save on the side.

3. That being said, if you want to increase SS payouts and give financial independence to our low-income workers without collapsing the entitlement system, well, there is actually a way to do that. But I don't think Mrs Warren is going to like it. ;)



I was surprised to find that I had no objections to your plan...It was clear and concise and did make sense...
 
why should rich people pay more and more and getting no increased benefits

hint: its called SOCIAL SECURITY because it is a societal benefit program and not just an individual retirement program. And the rich do get increased benefits. They get to lord it over the peasants in the safety of their McMansions and country clubs and Daddykins can sleep with the upstairs maid without the fear that America will go the way of other societies in history where the masses felt they were not being treated properly and insurrection and violence and even revolution resulted. SS is a form of buying off the masses and preserving the peace and an orderly society and that benefits all - especially those at the top of the societal pyramid.

The right wing crusade against Social Security is nothing new and goes back to the Thirties. Today it has been hijacked and revived by the right libertarians as part of their unholy crusade against government. Think about it for a minute: if goverment got rid of social security and hundreds of millions of American got screwed in the process - what would be the resulting feeling towards government by those people? People would lose their faith in government very very quickly. And that fits the right libertarian cause celebre quite well.

We need to protect SS through a very simple program of
1- expanding FICA so that ALL earners pay tax on 100% of their earnings - not just the lower 92% who do so today.
2 - apply FICA to all monies going into a persons pocket or accounts
3- freeze benefit levels at what they are today plus inflation

The result in an influx of money to fix a money based problem. By many estimates it would make up 85% of the annual shortfall and the rest could easily come from general reveunes.
 
I was surprised to find that I had no objections to your plan...It was clear and concise and did make sense...

:) Thanks. I've long thought that there were plenty of ways to achieve both Liberal and Conservative goals within policy.
 
that's a silly combination of seething envy and moronic populism

I have more income and assets than I need, certainly enough to put 7 grandkids thru college.....so no envy.
Populism? How so?
Do you find crooks on Wall Street acceptable?
 
hint: its called SOCIAL SECURITY because it is a societal benefit program and not just an individual retirement program. And the rich do get increased benefits. They get to lord it over the peasants in the safety of their McMansions and country clubs and Daddykins can sleep with the upstairs maid without the fear that America will go the way of other societies in history where the masses felt they were not being treated properly and insurrection and violence and even revolution resulted. SS is a form of buying off the masses and preserving the peace and an orderly society and that benefits all - especially those at the top of the societal pyramid.

Excuse me.... but how, exactly, does attacking the upper-income for what they have rightfully earned and paid for advance the discussion?

We need to protect SS through a very simple program of
1- expanding FICA so that ALL earners pay tax on 100% of their earnings - not just the lower 92% who do so today.
2 - apply FICA to all monies going into a persons pocket or accounts
3- freeze benefit levels at what they are today plus inflation

:( So sad you want to screw over low-income seniors by reducing their income. That is all many of our elderly have to survive on, and you want to cut into it.
 
Excuse me.... but how, exactly, does attacking the upper-income for what they have rightfully earned and paid for advance the discussion?



:( So sad you want to screw over low-income seniors by reducing their income. That is all many of our elderly have to survive on, and you want to cut into it.

My plan reduces no such thing.

I have no idea what your question about attacking upper income people means.
 
I have more income and assets than I need, certainly enough to put 7 grandkids thru college.....so no envy.
Populism? How so?
Do you find crooks on Wall Street acceptable?

I think calling for the deaths of people who haven't been indicted, let alone convicted is rather moronic
 
I think calling for the deaths of people who haven't been indicted, let alone convicted is rather moronic
are you really a lawyer? seems to me you can't be tried, much less convicted, without an indictment....
 
are you really a lawyer? seems to me you can't be tried, much less convicted, without an indictment....

really? people are convicted on informations all the time through a plea. Misdemeanor convictions are not pursuant to an indictment either

I know who is really the lawyer and who is not.
 
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