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Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

Is Obama still a "socialist"?


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Minus the spelling mistakes is that all you are going to respond with?

just for discloser purposes, I type by blowing on a vacuum tube and wear an adult diaper. But the later is more a fetish thing
 
He had to play ball with private companies to get Communist agenda embedded. Look how he put the screws to the insurance compaies.

I weep for them. :cry:

"....Last week the New York Times reported that the health insurance industry is enjoying record earnings while millions of Americans get less medical care. Wall Street investors are delighted with the industry's profits, and to health insurance executives, that's all that counts. Insurance CEOs want investors to buy their stock and keep share prices marching higher, and that's exactly what has happened. To achieve excessive profits, insurers are happy to gouge consumers and small businesses, do little to rein in medical costs and spend billions of our premium dollars on lobbying, secret political activities, bloated executive pay and stock buybacks.

AHIP's focus on profit margins is misleading and designed to protect their massive income by shifting attention away from their return on equity — a key measure of profits as a percentage of the amount invested. That return is a phenomenal 16.1% as of today. By that measure, health insurers are ranked fourth highest of the 16 industries in the health care sector. They also deliver a higher return for investors than cellphone companies, beer companies, mortgage companies, life insurance companies, TV broadcasters, drug store companies or grocery stores.

AHIP likes to talk about how insurance profits are a small share of national health spending — less then one penny of every dollar spent on health care in the U.S. — but that is an absurd, deceptive and self-serving statistic. Yet even their own chart of this data shows that the share of the health care economy sucked up by health insurance profits has more than tripled over the past decade..."
links to claims provided on the source NOW! Blog » The Truth About Health Insurance Company Profits: They’re Excessive
 
and many different variations of 'no hes not" and "if you disagree your dumb'

Not a single mention of the word 'dumb' by me .. not a single attack on a poster.

You seem to believe that I should simply agree with mindless RW pablum without speaking to how ridiculous and silly their comments are.

WRONG
 
Minus the spelling mistakes is that all you are going to respond with?

If spelling mistakes make it so that the sentence has no meaning, what response do you expect? I have no idea what you were trying to say.
 
Not a single mention of the word 'dumb' by me .. not a single attack on a poster.

You seem to believe that I should simply agree with mindless RW pablum without speaking to how ridiculous and silly their comments are.

WRONG

You should make an argument instead of saying people who dont agree with you must be dumb.
 
Birth certificate

Muslim

Terrorist-lover

Racist

Socialist

Communist

Ring any bells?

Ring bells?
Indeed it does.
See post #164 for the Obama self-documentation.
But I betcha didn't expect he'd be the one ringing the bells.
You sure get defensive about someone you say you didn't even vote for.
You wouldn't be making stuff up would you?
 
You should make an argument instead of saying people who dont agree with you must be dumb.

I always make the argument .. always.

.. and you keep using a word that I haven't .. yet you accuse me of it.

Bottom line, calling Obama a socialist is seriously unintelligent .. and I've already made the argument why.
 
Ring bells?
Indeed it does.
See post #164 for the Obama self-documentation.
But I betcha didn't expect he'd be the one ringing the bells.
You sure get defensive about someone you say you didn't even vote for.
You wouldn't be making stuff up would you?

Post 164 is the same regurgitation of RW pablum that I'm talking about.

I don't have to make **** up because A. I don't make **** up .. and B. there is no one here I'm trying to impress.

I speak the truth as I see it whether its 'popular' or not .. don't give a **** about democrats or republicans.

It appears that is not a pattern that you follow.
 
Post 164 is the same regurgitation of RW pablum that I'm talking about.

I don't have to make **** up because A. I don't make **** up .. and B. there is no one here I'm trying to impress.

I speak the truth as I see it whether its 'popular' or not .. don't give a **** about democrats or republicans.

It appears that is not a pattern that you follow.
Anyone can see you're not trying to impress people here.
What was in #164 was factual...documented...factual.
Pablum to you...documented facts to the rest of the world.
Or ... to put it in terms that obviously appeal to you...
You say you don't make **** up but you deny the truth and that's pretty ****ty, huh.
And you should be thinking that your position must be pretty ****ty when you have to deny the truth.
Yet the fact that you keep doing it kinda screams that you know your position is more ****ty than strong.
 
I always make the argument .. always.

.. and you keep using a word that I haven't .. yet you accuse me of it.

Bottom line, calling Obama a socialist is seriously unintelligent .. and I've already made the argument why.

unintelligent/dumb - case closed
 
Anyone can see you're not trying to impress people here.
What was in #164 was factual...documented...factual.
Pablum to you...documented facts to the rest of the world.
Or ... to put it in terms that obviously appeal to you...
You say you don't make **** up but you deny the truth and that's pretty ****ty, huh.
And you should be thinking that your position must be pretty ****ty when you have to deny the truth.
Yet the fact that you keep doing it kinda screams that you know your position is more ****ty than strong.

OK .. let's start this again with my apologies for not stepping through every aspect and detail of what I've said and stand by now. I apologize.

Let explain in more detail why I called what you posted 'pablum' ..

A. You've taken past Obama associations with selected people and called them his 'mentors' as if everyone he comes into contact with .. that you don't like .. are his 'mentors.' Guess which REAL mentor you left out? Joe Lieberman .. and Obama's polices and practices have been FAR closer to that of JOE LIEBERMAN than any of the so-called 'mentors' that you think are so important in your post.

Let me help you out ..

Russ Feingold Says LieberCare Was What Obama Wanted All Along | FDL Action

If indeed Obama was 'mentored' by the so-called socialists/communists/whatever that you posted .. Liebercare/Heritage Foundation/Romney/Obamacare would not be their choice .. in fact they would as vehemently against the corporate written ACA as I am. In fact, I defy you to demonstrate ANY association to his so-called 'mentors' to his actual policies.

Obama conducts the foreign policy of George Bush on steroids .. and Muslims and black and brown people are his favorite targets. Maybe you didn't know that.

Are you of the opinion that you have a better intelligence gathering organization (google/Fox) than AIPAC and the Jewish Lobby? Are you of the opinion that Obama could have any real association with your 'mentors' and still be supported by Isreal?

B. What you posted .. seemingly unbeknownst to you .. is pablum because that dog don't hunt, that horse won't ride. :0) It just won't move. That nonsense has been around since 2007 .. to what effect?

Barack Obama elected President of the United States.

It was regurgitated and raised from the dead again in 2012 .. to what effect?

Barack Obama RE-elected President of the United States.

Pablum: trite, naive, simplistic ideas or writings; intellectual pap.

It's just political meme for people who think listening to the radio is important.

Again, I apologize for not pointing this out.
 
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OK .. let's start this again with my apologies for not stepping through every aspect and detail of what I've said and stand by now. I apologize.

Let explain in more detail why I called what you posted 'pablum' ..

A. You've taken past Obama associations with selected people and called them his 'mentors' as if everyone he comes into contact with .. that you don't like .. are his 'mentors.' Guess which REAL mentor you left out? Joe Lieberman .. and Obama's polices and practices have been FAR closer to that of JOE LIEBERMAN than any of the so-called 'mentors' that you think are so important in your post.

Let me help you out ..

Russ Feingold Says LieberCare Was What Obama Wanted All Along | FDL Action

If indeed Obama was 'mentored' by the so-called socialists/communists/whatever that you posted .. Liebercare/Heritage Foundation/Romney/Obamacare would not be their choice .. in fact they would as vehemently against the corporate written ACA as I am. In fact, I defy you to demonstrate ANY association to his so-called 'mentors' to his actual policies.

Obama conducts the foreign policy of George Bush on steroids .. and Muslims and black and brown people are his favorite targets. Maybe you didn't know that.

Are you of the opinion that you have a better intelligence gathering organization (google/Fox) than AIPAC and the Jewish Lobby? Are you of the opinion that Obama could have any real association with your 'mentors' and still be supported by Isreal?

B. What you posted .. seemingly unbeknownst to you .. is pablum because that dog don't hunt, that horse won't ride. :0) It just won't move. That nonsense has been around since 2007 .. to what effect?

Barack Obama elected President of the United States.

It was regurgitated and raised from the dead again in 2012 .. to what effect?

Barack Obama RE-elected President of the United States.

Pablum: trite, naive, simplistic ideas or writings; intellectual pap.

It's just political meme for people who think listening to the radio is important.

Again, I apologize for not pointing this out.

I accept all your apologies.
I'm still laughing (but in a good way) that you continue to deny the long relationship and influence on Obama & his policies by a guy like Bill Ayers and other far left screwballs.
And for someone who says they didn't vote for Obama you sure sound frantic defending him.
But the absolute funniest thing you said/implied/claimed/asserted (whatever) has to be that Israel/Netanyahu really feels comfy/cozy with Obama as an ally and give him their support.
That was special. I'm laughing at that too (but NOT in a good way).
 
The best shill the super rich ever had and a corporate fascist.
 
I accept all your apologies.
I'm still laughing (but in a good way) that you continue to deny the long relationship and influence on Obama & his policies by a guy like Bill Ayers and other far left screwballs.
And for someone who says they didn't vote for Obama you sure sound frantic defending him.
But the absolute funniest thing you said/implied/claimed/asserted (whatever) has to be that Israel/Netanyahu really feels comfy/cozy with Obama as an ally and give him their support.
That was special. I'm laughing at that too (but NOT in a good way).

Again, you confuse 'defending' him with telling the truth. You sound like democrats who accuse me of 'defending' George Bush because I said the he saved a million lives. Is that defending him or telling the truth?

As for Israel and Obama .. You'll soon discover that I don't say things I can't defend.

David Drake: AIPAC Gives Obama A+ Grade

Jewish Vote Goes 69 Percent For Barack Obama: Exit Polls

Pro-Israel lobby group AIPAC throws support to Obama on Syria - Washington Times

President Obama and Israel: The Facts | NJDC

If you mean that AIPAC has problems with Obama .. name an American president they didn't have problems with?

The point is, if Obama was what you claim he is, he wouldn't be the president.

If you're really looking for Obama nefarious ties, you should look to the CIA.
 
Again, you confuse 'defending' him with telling the truth. You sound like democrats who accuse me of 'defending' George Bush because I said the he saved a million lives. Is that defending him or telling the truth?

As for Israel and Obama .. You'll soon discover that I don't say things I can't defend.

David Drake: AIPAC Gives Obama A+ Grade

Jewish Vote Goes 69 Percent For Barack Obama: Exit Polls

Pro-Israel lobby group AIPAC throws support to Obama on Syria - Washington Times

President Obama and Israel: The Facts | NJDC

If you mean that AIPAC has problems with Obama .. name an American president they didn't have problems with?

The point is, if Obama was what you claim he is, he wouldn't be the president.
If you're really looking for Obama nefarious ties, you should look to the CIA.

Oh BAC ... good lord ... that was ridiculous.

The guy came from out of nowhere with a Party, damn near the entire media, and a campaign organization totally dedicated to cast their candidate in a completely false light in which he was well skilled and willing to bask.

And as for Israel, you think Netanyahu trusts Obama on Israeli matters despite the cherry picked AIPAC links you posted?
If Obama makes noises like he's tough on Syria, AIPAC will applaud.
You think AIPAC is smiling about Obama's impending Iran deal? Or how he tossed Mubarak overboard and cleared the way for the MB?
The American Jewish vote typically goes Democrat ... it ain't Obama that's the draw.
Lastly ... you better read that Did Drake piece again.
 
Oh BAC ... good lord ... that was ridiculous.

The guy came from out of nowhere with a Party, damn near the entire media, and a campaign organization totally dedicated to cast their candidate in a completely false light in which he was well skilled and willing to bask.

And as for Israel, you think Netanyahu trusts Obama on Israeli matters despite the cherry picked AIPAC links you posted?
If Obama makes noises like he's tough on Syria, AIPAC will applaud.
You think AIPAC is smiling about Obama's impending Iran deal? Or how he tossed Mubarak overboard and cleared the way for the MB?
The American Jewish vote typically goes Democrat ... it ain't Obama that's the draw.
Lastly ... you better read that Did Drake piece again.
Very well said.
 
Oh BAC ... good lord ... that was ridiculous.

The guy came from out of nowhere with a Party, damn near the entire media, and a campaign organization totally dedicated to cast their candidate in a completely false light in which he was well skilled and willing to bask.

And as for Israel, you think Netanyahu trusts Obama on Israeli matters despite the cherry picked AIPAC links you posted?
If Obama makes noises like he's tough on Syria, AIPAC will applaud.
You think AIPAC is smiling about Obama's impending Iran deal? Or how he tossed Mubarak overboard and cleared the way for the MB?
The American Jewish vote typically goes Democrat ... it ain't Obama that's the draw.
Lastly ... you better read that Did Drake piece again.

:0) Talk about ridiculous. Wow.

If Obama was the terrorist the right claims he was, he would never be the president. It's absolutely ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

Bottom line .. he's been the president for two terms. Obviously .. quite obviously, the 'terrorist, Muslim, no birth certificate BS didn't work .. but you go right ahead and keep spouting it. :0)
 
:0) Talk about ridiculous. Wow.

If Obama was the terrorist the right claims he was, he would never be the president. It's absolutely ridiculous to suggest otherwise
.

Bottom line .. he's been the president for two terms. Obviously .. quite obviously, the 'terrorist, Muslim, no birth certificate BS didn't work .. but you go right ahead and keep spouting it. :0)

By now if you can't see him for the ideologue he clearly is then you either don't want to see it or you're eager to help him disguise it.
And I have to tell ya, BAC, and I've been saying this for many months now, anyone who fools themselves into attributing any Obamacare problems or this Obamacare rollout debacle to incompetence is making a big mistake.
What we're seeing is not an accident.
I've said months ago right here that his intention is to screw up the healthcare system to the point where he'll offer Single Payer as the solution.
He did create a historical record that indicates Single Payer Government managed healthcare is his goal.
And ya know what ... I'm guessing you knew all that and being a self-proclaimed Socialist you're more than willing to play the game.
Right???
 
If spelling mistakes make it so that the sentence has no meaning, what response do you expect? I have no idea what you were trying to say.

You asked "Why would a socialist be anti-business? Somebody has to be around to do favors for them..."
I responded with: "Because socialists want to put the workplace and means of production in the hands of the workers".
 
By now if you can't see him for the ideologue he clearly is then you either don't want to see it or you're eager to help him disguise it.
And I have to tell ya, BAC, and I've been saying this for many months now, anyone who fools themselves into attributing any Obamacare problems or this Obamacare rollout debacle to incompetence is making a big mistake.
What we're seeing is not an accident.
I've said months ago right here that his intention is to screw up the healthcare system to the point where he'll offer Single Payer as the solution.
He did create a historical record that indicates Single Payer Government managed healthcare is his goal.
And ya know what ... I'm guessing you knew all that and being a self-proclaimed Socialist you're more than willing to play the game.
Right???

Again, with all due respect brother, do you have any idea how much scrutiny a person has to go through to become POTUS? That's a serious question. It's a question that intelligently and conclusively puts an end to what you claim. Everything else is afterthought.

There is no way in Hell that Obama has any connections to what the right loves to claim .. which is why no one believes that but them. It's radio-speak.

If you are really interested in nefarious Obama ties .. you should have been looking to the CIA. His mother was in the CIA .. and so was his father. Obama worked for the CIA. Not as juicy as yours, huh? .. Except mine is the truth.

With regards to Obamacare, I've been against it even before it was signed into law. It's a corporatist-written bill that was designed to halt the movement to Single-Payer .. as it did in Massachusetts. I said halt, not stop, because the movement to Single-Payer cannot be stopped.

Respectfull, you calling the ACA "single-payer" demonstrates that you do not know what single-payer is.

Obama is a corporatist .. as is Bill Clinton is a corporatist .. as is Mitt Romney is a corporatist .. as was George Bush a corporatist .. as are all modern American presidents corporatist.

At some point Americans might get around to figuring out that our government is owned by corporatists.

Being a democrat or republican don't (eb) mean ****.
 
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Again, with all due respect brother,
do you have any idea how much scrutiny a person has to go through to become POTUS?
That's a serious question. It's a question that intelligently and conclusively puts an end to what you claim. Everything else is afterthought.

There is no way in Hell that Obama has any connections to what the right loves to claim .. which is why no one believes that but them. It's radio-speak.

If you are really interested in nefarious Obama ties .. you should have been looking to the CIA.
His mother was in the CIA .. and so was his father. Obama worked for the CIA.
Not as juicy as yours, huh? .. Except mine is the truth.

With regards to Obamacare, I've been against it even before it was signed into law.
It's a corporatist-written bill that was designed to halt the movement to Single-Payer
.. as it did in Massachusetts. I said halt, not stop, because the movement to Single-Payer cannot be stopped.

Respectfull, you calling the ACA "single-payer" demonstrates that you do not know what single-payer is.
Obama is a corporatist .. as is Bill Clinton is a corporatist .. as is Mitt Romney is a corporatist .. as was George Bush a corporatist .. as are all modern American presidents corporatist.

At some point Americans might get around to figuring out that our government is owned by corporatists.

Being a democrat or republican don't (eb) mean ****.
Oh yes ... normally candidates need to withstand scrutiny ... but if you think the media scrutinized Obama rather than defended his candidacy then we've been living in alternate worlds.
Obamacare was designed as a step toward Single Payer, not to halt it. What you claimed is just plain silly. Remember ...
“I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer universal health-care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its gross national product on health care, cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. . . . Everybody in, nobody out. A single-payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. That’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. “ Barack Obama – 2003
So I didn't say Obamacare WAS Single Payer ... it was meant as a kind of stalking horse for Single Payer ... you should be pleased. Unless you're old enough to have to worry about IPAB.
As for the CIA stuff, I don't usually bother asking but ... reliable links please ... no Wayne Madsen. You should make better choices regarding who to believe.

But one thing does strike me as really really curious ... on the one hand you remark about the scrutiny a POTUS candidate must surely have to endure ... while on the other hand claiming Obama and his entire family are/were CIA operatives ... something totally missed during 2 election campaigns and all the years between. Good grief, BAC. Get a grip on reality.
 
Oh yes ... normally candidates need to withstand scrutiny ... but if you think the media scrutinized Obama rather than defended his candidacy then we've been living in alternate worlds.
Obamacare was designed as a step toward Single Payer, not to halt it. What you claimed is just plain silly. Remember ...
“I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer universal health-care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its gross national product on health care, cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. . . . Everybody in, nobody out. A single-payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. That’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. “ Barack Obama – 2003
So I didn't say Obamacare WAS Single Payer ... it was meant as a kind of stalking horse for Single Payer ... you should be pleased. Unless you're old enough to have to worry about IPAB.
As for the CIA stuff, I don't usually bother asking but ... reliable links please ... no Wayne Madsen. You should make better choices regarding who to believe.

But one thing does strike me as really really curious ... on the one hand you remark about the scrutiny a POTUS candidate must surely have to endure ... while on the other hand claiming Obama and his entire family are/were CIA operatives ... something totally missed during 2 election campaigns and all the years between. Good grief, BAC. Get a grip on reality.

Today is the first time I have ever heard that BHO was with the CIA! How do they come up with this stuff? :wow:

Greetings, bubba. :2wave:
 
Today is the first time I have ever heard that BHO was with the CIA! How do they come up with this stuff? :wow:

Greetings, bubba. :2wave:

Isn't that something? The things that you learn from posters on DP can be staggering.
How we doing today Pol?
 
Isn't that something? The things that you learn from posters on DP can be staggering.
How we doing today Pol?

Good morning, bubba! :2wave:

I'm having :coffeepap: and contemplating whether or not to take the dog for a walk. It's lightly snowing, temperature is 19 degrees, and it's a bit windy. He does not want to go, since the snow is up to his belly. (Life is tough for a 5-pound Chihuahua in the winter) I don't want to go out, either... so maybe I'll just let him go out in the backyard for a few minutes to do his business................. Okay, I'm back.

Did you see the magnanimous gesture BHO just made? It seems he's giving us one additional week to get signed up for Obamacare... instead of December 15, we now have until December 23. WooHoo! The system is still not working, so this ought to be interesting! Bubba, if I wasn't living it, I wouldn't believe it! They had years to get this working, and people are only being given one lousy extra week to comply? :bs:
 
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