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Send help to the Philippines ?

Should we send help to the Philippines

  • Yes, we should send help at the expense of more money to our dept

    Votes: 23 76.7%
  • No, we should be trying to lower the dept instead

    Votes: 3 10.0%
  • Maybe, i like the idea of helping, but we should find an alternate means if here is one

    Votes: 4 13.3%

  • Total voters
    30
Is it our fault they are 3rd world country's? you say we are lazy but what about them. If they wanted change then they could get change. Look at Syria, look at Egypt and Libya. They might not have been 3rd world country's and maybe not the Philippines either but the rebels in those country's saw a problem and they rose to fix it. If the Philippines doesn't show the same determination to take them self's out of that category is it really our fault? And can you tell me that that money wouldn't be perhaps better used in our economy, say in the private sector where it could produce jobs and revenue and get those people working. How can we get them to work if there IS NO JOBS!? Its like trying to start a car with no keys. You can do it, but it would be a lot easier if you had the keys.
And im not saying don't help country's, just let people take the initiative and donate money to help, not take 20 million dollars (as a start!) out of the government and just give it away when most of that is borrowed money. We cannot afford just to give away money when we are trying to rub two penny's together and not getting a third.

You should learn the usefulness of paragraphs so people actually read your responses. All I see is blah blah blah, isolationism, blah blah blah, car with no keys, blah blah blah...no point.
 
You should learn the usefulness of paragraphs so people actually read your responses. All I see is blah blah blah, isolationism, blah blah blah, car with no keys, blah blah blah...no point.

Would you like me to separate it so you'll actually bother reading it?
 
Would you like me to separate it so you'll actually bother reading it?

That would be great!

And that "separation" is called a paragraph, and there is a reason why they exist.
 
Not to nitpick (yeah right), but technically I think you could remove "and" as the first word of the second 2 paragraphs.


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And that "separation" is called a paragraph, and there is a reason why they exist.

Why yes, yes there is, and it seemed pointless at the time to use perfect grammar rules for a comment.
 
Anyone else notice that this always ends up as a discussion on my grammar?
 

You should use this good ole' fashioned paragraph strategy (proper English) in the future. Think of it as a "people will actually ready your posts" strategy.

Now that I have dismounted my grammatical horse, I have come up with a proper response.

I understand the genesis of your point. You probably are young and have never left the nest, so to speak, which is fine. I have been to the Philippines for work, and I understand their history with respect to us, and understand the complicated relationship between the Philippines and the US today. I tell you that if we turn our back on friends like this throughout the world, we will very much regret it in the future.

The way you argue, no matter what your description says, you at least lean libertarian with respect to international issues. Here's why libertarians are international relations retards. The US is not, in fact, suspended in some "us" vacuum. In fact, we are the most wealthy, influential country in the world. The reason why you have had the privilege of growing up the way you have is because the US has cultivated and carefully guarded that position.

While that may seem quite unrelated to you in your environment, thankfully there are people who are thinking about our future relationships with other countries. We can probably agree that this is one of the constitutionally mandated roles of Federal government.

Speaking of future relations with other countries, I'm sure you have heard of China's rapid development (please advise if you have not). You see, China has claimed the entire South China Sea (I believe I included the link when I sent it to you earlier in this thread...perhaps you didn't bother to read it as I didn't bother to read your original post...sometimes positions are too predictable to bother reading). Now, when I say China is claiming the South China Sea I mean they are claiming a body of mineral and oil rich water in it's entirety that Several countries, including the Philippines, also claim in part.

The strategic view, and the reason why we are giving government money to the Philippines, is that we must solidify relations with the countries in this region that oppose China's grab for illegal maritime influence. US interests include freedom of the Seas, a significant percentage of the worlds cargo passes through the South China Sea enroute to the US, therefore it is in our interest to keep that body of water free of absolute claim. The Philippines represents that opposition, we have a historic relationship with them (fought and died for their liberation from the Japanese), they are incapable of the logistics of saving the effected area's populations, and we are classy, relief is classy, therefore us giving them relief is a classy move.
 
Anyone else notice that this always ends up as a discussion on my grammar?

Grammar exists for a reason. Standardization of communication. Without that, we have nothing in common and will ignore each other. Might as well be speaking a different language.
 
But will they? people one day china's going to call our tab and we are in no position to pay them off. Will all of those country's that we have spent money stabilizing send money in our hour of need? will our "friends" stand and help? i doubt it

That is not the issue of today. Today there are people in the Philippines that are suffering beyond belief.
 
I tend to agree. In case nobody has noticed we are broke, beyond broke, we are so far in debt out great great grand kids will be paying on it.

China could just send it directly. :lol:
 
Fallen soldier: Statue commemorating MacArthur's Philippines landing toppled by typhoon

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Fallen soldier: Statue commemorating MacArthur's Philippines landing toppled by typhoon - PhotoBlog

Think of it as a war and our friends desperately need help.
 
Ill admit, its not smart to completely desert them, and yes you are right, china claiming the South china sea will probably lead some military confrontation and we'll have to use the Philippines as our advance base. I will also admit that i have never left the nest if by nest you mean american soil.

But can you seriously tell me that sometimes you don't think that money could be better used? Can you tell me we couldn't use that money to create jobs? Who cares about allies if we our self's are to far gone? All of our work, all of our "classy" maneuvers will be for nothing if we fall. And of course, the 20 million could be taken from somewhere else in the government. Of course they could use it. Of course 20 million dollars is not a drop in the bucket compared to the 16 trillion we have in dept. But my personal view is that we need to work on ourselfs before we try to fix the world

To SBu
 
Ill admit, its not smart to completely desert them, and yes you are right, china claiming the South china sea will probably lead some military confrontation and we'll have to use the Philippines as our advance base. I will also admit that i have never left the nest if by nest you mean american soil.

But can you seriously tell me that sometimes you don't think that money could be better used? Can you tell me we couldn't use that money to create jobs? Who cares about allies if we our self's are to far gone? All of our work, all of our "classy" maneuvers will be for nothing if we fall. And of course, the 20 million could be taken from somewhere else in the government. Of course they could use it. Of course 20 million dollars is not a drop in the bucket compared to the 16 trillion we have in dept.
But my personal view is that we need to work on ourselfs before we try to fix the world
To SBu




Some people can walk and chew gum at the same time, others not so much.

If the USA can't help an old ally and friend like the Philippines, who can it help?

BTW: It's debt, not dept.
 
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They can get help from us under one condition
They become a state.
 
Is it our fault they are 3rd world country's? you say we are lazy but what about them. If they wanted change then they could get change. Look at Syria, look at Egypt and Libya. They might not have been 3rd world country's and maybe not the Philippines either but the rebels in those country's saw a problem and they rose to fix it. If the Philippines doesn't show the same determination to take them self's out of that category is it really our fault?

Can you tell me that that money wouldn't be perhaps better used in our economy, say in the private sector where it could produce jobs and revenue and get those people working. How can we get them to work if there IS NO JOBS!? Its like trying to start a car with no keys. You can do it, but it would be a lot easier if you had the keys.

I'm not saying don't help country's, just let people take the initiative and donate money to help, not take 20 million dollars (as a start!) out of the government and just give it away when most of that is borrowed money. We cannot afford just to give away money when we are trying to rub two penny's together and not getting a third.

Yes, it is mostly. We caused it however they haven't really done well at building up since ousting our appointed dictator.
 
Ill admit, its not smart to completely desert them, and yes you are right, china claiming the South china sea will probably lead some military confrontation and we'll have to use the Philippines as our advance base. I will also admit that i have never left the nest if by nest you mean american soil.

But can you seriously tell me that sometimes you don't think that money could be better used? Can you tell me we couldn't use that money to create jobs? Who cares about allies if we our self's are to far gone? All of our work, all of our "classy" maneuvers will be for nothing if we fall. And of course, the 20 million could be taken from somewhere else in the government. Of course they could use it. Of course 20 million dollars is not a drop in the bucket compared to the 16 trillion we have in dept. But my personal view is that we need to work on ourselfs before we try to fix the world

To SBu

Yeah, right. There is no help for us as long as the leftist here draw breath.

Besides, they have better women on average than we do.
 
Yes. Individual philanthropy likely won't come close to meeting the needs of the present situation, although it should be welcomed and encouraged regardless.
 
The US gives BILLIONS to the UN. Let them handle aid. This should be a world response, not just a US response. Meanwhile people who want to personally give will handle it.
 
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