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Minimum drop out age

Sould the drop out grade be lowered

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 28.6%

  • Keep it the same

    Votes: 7 20.0%

  • the grade shouldent exist and they should stay in school till 12th grade

    Votes: 18 51.4%
  • Total voters
    35
radcen said:
I think it's intended to reflect that 'C' students think out side the box, are less conformist, and willing to take chances... and hence with greater risk comes greater reward.

'A' students, on the other hand, are more nose-to-the-grindstone people less willing to take the chances. They just follow instructions.
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Yes.

But WHY does our grading system reward nose-to-the-grindstone types more than those who think outside the box?

THAT is what I'm saying might need addressed.
 
The Mark said:
Yes.

But WHY does our grading system reward nose-to-the-grindstone types more than those who think outside the box?

THAT is what I'm saying might need addressed.
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Because the purpose of primary and secondary education is to teach the essential facts. College is for thinking outside the box.
 
Cephus said:
Because the purpose of primary and secondary education is to teach the essential facts. College is for thinking outside the box.
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Then the purpose of primary and secondary education needs changed.

In fact, I think they BUILD the box that you then have to think outside of.

Hmm...
 
JJB3333 said:
Ok so i would just like to ask something tha has been bugging me. Sould the drop our grade be lowered.I mean of course i accept that all kids should have an education, but why are we wasting money on so many kids who dont want to be there. We should have it so that say from 9th grade, if the kids want to drop out and riun their lifes, it is their choice. if the parents dont want them to, they can force them to stay in school, but you have all of these kids who are failing classes, ditching, sometimes even going to drugs, and we waste money putting them through year after years of school.

So question: should the drop out grade be lowered from 11th grade
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Because they become a drain on society. Who pays /supports for the uneducated?

I think parents should be held responsible for ensuring their dropout obtain some kind of education ...whether that means public education, military school, alternative school or home schooling .
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
Because they become a drain on society. Who pays /supports for the uneducated?

I think parents should be held responsible for ensuring their dropout obtain some kind of education ...whether that means public education, military school, alternative school or home schooling .
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Yes they do become a drain on society, and earlyer in the thread we talked about the possibility of specialty schools like engineering/construction school that they have to be in to complete their education. Graduates of high school can also go here but be given a leg up for completing school. Its a bit like collage/marines set up.
 
Yes. Life is too short to be forced to go to school.

Childhood is meant to be enjoyed.

They can still learn plenty of important life lessons - that are both interesting, fun, and useful - outside being trapped in a classroom.

I hated going to school growing up.
 
JJB3333 said:
Ok so i would just like to ask something tha has been bugging me. Sould the drop our grade be lowered.I mean of course i accept that all kids should have an education, but why are we wasting money on so many kids who dont want to be there. We should have it so that say from 9th grade, if the kids want to drop out and riun their lifes, it is their choice. if the parents dont want them to, they can force them to stay in school, but you have all of these kids who are failing classes, ditching, sometimes even going to drugs, and we waste money putting them through year after years of school.

So question: should the drop out grade be lowered from 11th grade
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Drop out of regular education? Yes.

Out of school altogether? No.

Drop out and enter a trade academy. Construction. Road work. Trash collection.

That until 11th grade and then they can take off and benefit society.
 
Tothian said:
I hated going to school growing up.
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Most people do not want to go to school. It is called growing up... doing things you don't want to.
 
You weren't enjoying it as kids. You weren't just "learning". You were forced against your own will to go. You had to learn the same stuff every year that you would likely not have much use for in life.

Optional, yes. And let kids learn what they find interesting. Learn useful vocational stuff at a younger age. Why have to wait to graduate high school where you learned nothing useful. Then it ends up being harder to get in to the stuff that is more interesting and useful - depending on what you are studying and if it really interests you.
 
I say 16, with the requirement that those who drop have a mandatory 2 year trade school enrollment.
Its more realistic and gives more choice to those who need it.
 
If you can drop out by testing out (GED), and/or can find a way to support yourself , then go ahead. But bear in mind that we already have way too many people who are uneducated or under-educated to the point that they can't get a job that pays a living wage.

Problem with the uneducated is that they know so little that they have no clue how ignorant they are. Ignorance has no value, education does.
 
UtahBill said:
If you can drop out by testing out (GED), and/or can find a way to support yourself , then go ahead. But bear in mind that we already have way too many people who are uneducated or under-educated to the point that they can't get a job that pays a living wage.

Problem with the uneducated is that they know so little that they have no clue how ignorant they are. Ignorance has no value, education does.
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The real problem is that we reward the lack of effort put forth by these individuals with basic government provided subsistence. How ignorant is that?
 
Tothian said:
You weren't enjoying it as kids. You weren't just "learning". You were forced against your own will to go. You had to learn the same stuff every year that you would likely not have much use for in life.

Optional, yes. And let kids learn what they find interesting. Learn useful vocational stuff at a younger age. Why have to wait to graduate high school where you learned nothing useful. Then it ends up being harder to get in to the stuff that is more interesting and useful - depending on what you are studying and if it really interests you.
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You may have never matured and grew beyond only learning what you minimally have to, but I have. Not only have my opinions and wants & needs evolved beyond the simplistic childish needs for continual play, but I have been back to school as an adult and I absolutely love it. Like The Mark, if I had enough money to live comfortably otherwise I could easily be a "professional student".
 
UtahBill said:
If you can drop out by testing out (GED), and/or can find a way to support yourself , then go ahead. But bear in mind that we already have way too many people who are uneducated or under-educated to the point that they can't get a job that pays a living wage.

Problem with the uneducated is that they know so little that they have no clue how ignorant they are. Ignorance has no value, education does.
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Sometimes the only "value" is the piece of paper (diploma/degree), but it is what it is.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
The real problem is that we reward the lack of effort put forth by these individuals with basic government provided subsistence. How ignorant is that?
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which is why I said you must be able to support yourself....no food stamps, no welfare, no help at all. Dropouts who can't do that should have stayed in school.
 
JJB3333 said:
Ok so i would just like to ask something tha has been bugging me. Sould the drop our grade be lowered.I mean of course i accept that all kids should have an education, but why are we wasting money on so many kids who dont want to be there. We should have it so that say from 9th grade, if the kids want to drop out and riun their lifes, it is their choice. if the parents dont want them to, they can force them to stay in school, but you have all of these kids who are failing classes, ditching, sometimes even going to drugs, and we waste money putting them through year after years of school.

So question: should the drop out grade be lowered from 11th grade
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I don't get the whole 'grade' system. It reeks of insanity. I'll assume 11th graders are 5th year students (15/16 years of age).

That most kids are loathe to attend school ought to suggest that school itself is the problem, rather than the kids. Along with the society from which it originates. Note that, while children embark upon their academic careers with the potential for virtual godhood, they emerge scarcely a decade later as stunted dwarves, irrevocably crushed. This is hardly a coincidence. A problem surely isn't resolved by ignoring it. I should add that the prevailing American notion of 'winners' and 'bums' is so much fecal matter.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
The real problem is that we reward the lack of effort put forth by these individuals with basic government provided subsistence. How ignorant is that?
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Not only is it ignorant, it's unfair to those who are growing up not knowing that there are ways to improve their lot other than becoming wards of the government, depending upon government to provide what they want and need. What happens when all that aid is lessened or withdrawn one day?

Greetings, AP. :2wave:
 
polgara said:
Not only is it ignorant, it's unfair to those who are growing up not knowing that there are ways to improve their lot other than becoming wards of the government, depending upon government to provide what they want and need. What happens when all that aid is lessened or withdrawn one day?

Greetings, AP. :2wave:
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Good evening pg. Your question won't be answered until we actually end the programs and return responsibility back to the families that spawned the children...
 
Tothian said:
You weren't enjoying it as kids. You weren't just "learning". You were forced against your own will to go. You had to learn the same stuff every year that you would likely not have much use for in life.

Optional, yes. And let kids learn what they find interesting. Learn useful vocational stuff at a younger age. Why have to wait to graduate high school where you learned nothing useful. Then it ends up being harder to get in to the stuff that is more interesting and useful - depending on what you are studying and if it really interests you.
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Perhaps I had a better experience than yourself.

I was homeschooled. So, while I think I missed out on various things (most notably social interactions), I did have a very small class size to deal with...
 
The Mark said:
Perhaps I had a better experience than yourself.

I was homeschooled. So, while I think I missed out on various things (most notably social interactions), I did have a very small class size to deal with...
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I'd had all kinds of experiences. Even volunteered for a military school - that I enjoyed. Especially the Leadership Class. But it prepared me for the military.

Sitting in a classroom bored to death when all a kid could think about is accomplishing great things. Not living a boring, mediocre life. That's what school was. It made life boring. Life wasn't meant to be boring nor mediocre.
 
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