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For Non Democrats Only: Who Would You Like To See Win The 2016 Republican Primary

Who would you like to see as the republican nominee, select all that apply


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I'm hoping Rand Paul wins personally. He stands almost exactly as I do on almost every single issue.
 
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You started this thread just to show me how I should have done my thread didn't you?
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Not for that reason, no. But your thread is what started the thought process.
 
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Why? 3 years out and he needs to throw some bones to the base. He just needs to figure out what those are. Give all of your ideas at once, you give the opposition 3 years to attack it. Frankly, the truth would kill the Tea Party. They tend to reject folks for having the audacity to be honest in at least one area they don't like. Meanwhile, the most honest ones they like are the ones that can't get elected for the general election.

It's a stupid policy Tea Partiers want.

No your "assumptions" are false.

First off the "base" is sick and tired of being used every election cycle thrown the "bones" as you described only to see they were nothing more than lies to gain our support. We end up holding our nose to vote for the Republican elite well funded moderate candidate that it takes a microscope to determine the differences between him and his opponent. A Republican moderate boils down to being the asshole in the room who loves big government as much as the left and thinks with a few little tweaks can do it better than his opponents. The voters see it and vote for the Democrat that promises them more free stuff.

Second- every Tea party conservative, libertarian, and independent basis for every one of their principles is in the Constitution.

FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY means not overspending, and not burdening our children and grandchildren with our bills. In the words of Thomas Jefferson: “the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity [is] swindling futurity on a large scale.” A more fiscally responsible government will take fewer taxes from our paychecks.

CONSTITUTIONALLY LIMITED GOVERNMENT means power resides with the people and not with the government. Governing should be done at the most local level possible where it can be held accountable. America’s founders believed that government power should be limited, enumerated, and constrained by our Constitution. Tea Party Patriots agree. The American people make this country great, not our government.

FREE MARKET ECONOMICS made America an economic superpower that for at least two centuries provided subsequent generations of Americans more opportunities and higher standards of living. An erosion of our free markets through government intervention is at the heart of America’s current economic decline, stagnating jobs, and spiraling debt and deficits. Failures in government programs and government-controlled financial markets helped spark the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. Further government interventions and takeovers have made this Great Recession longer and deeper. A renewed focus on free markets will lead to a more vibrant economy creating jobs and higher standards of living for future generations.

Third- One of the major differences between a moderate and a Tea party conservative is the Tea Party conservative/libertarian will stand up in the middle of the road for what they believe expecting to get hit by the left and the moderates within their own party. Where the moderates are more like chameleons changing colors to hide among the foliage... when it comes close to election time then by Gawd they declare themselves "conservative" and pander to the base for their future votes just to get elected and once in office act like a flaming big government, big spending Democrat once again.

Anyone supporting a moderate will not shrink the size of government, nor will it solve our debt problem. It will not restore the balance of powers greatly needed between Federal and State governments. A moderate would be just another FAIL.
 
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Select all you would be happy with as the republican nominee for president in 2016. Please only vote if you are not a democrat and would potentially vote republican in the 2016 presidential race. Also please add other names I missed in the thread.

Adding poll, please be patient.

while its early it is still interesting because it brings to light two issues that will need addressed come 2016.

I like certain stances of Chris Christie, Rand Paul and Jon Huntsman with Christie being the fav but they re going to have the same issue many GOPers will have.

Now im sure like many people the important things are Finance/economy and employment. Then probably education.

but being the way media and politics are right now any GOPer is going to have to back seat the social issues and change the verbiage of the delivery/message. The hottest media/fearmonger topics being Equal rights for gays and abortion. Anybody running cant have have a very strict negative outlook on those issues and other social issues, its simply not going to work. Now if personally they want to stand strong in those beliefs thats fine but if its part of their campaign/running platform thats not going to work on a presidential level. IMO i dont think there will ever be a president again that has a negative view of those two topics IN their campaign/running platform.


next is who runs for the Dems. IF Hilary run and IF she gets the nod i dont see anybody on that list that beats her. Christie is the only one that could even have a chance but I think thats a tall order. AGain this is based on her getting the nod, if its not her then I think its wide open with Christie being the favorite to "win" BUT theres a lot of GOPers that dont like him

and lastly its only 2013 . . . this could all change
 
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I bet that would be interesting, the godfather of Godfathers Pizza. At least he came up with a plan on the deficit, perhaps his numbers were way off, but his 9-9-9 plan did catch my attention. I think I would like to pick the brain of John Huntsman, after all he speaks fluent Chinese.

I was impressed by Huntsman, ESPECIALLY his ability to speak Chinese. However, he was made fun of in his own party for knowing that language. (Some Republicans are suspicious of academic prowess and foreign knowledge.) I didn't think that Huntsman had the oomph, the charisma to win a nat'l election, though. But maybe the country is ready for someone low key. (I doubt it, tho.)

Herman Caine is a joke, IMO. His 9-9-9 plan was funny, but that's all. He wasn't a very knowledgeable man, didn't seem particularly intelligent, and didn't communicate well (except to repeat 9-9-9 a lot). He was the comic relief in the primary.
 
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No your "assumptions" are false.

First off the "base" is sick and tired of being used every election cycle thrown the "bones" as you described only to see they were nothing more than lies to gain our support. We end up holding our nose to vote for the Republican elite well funded moderate candidate that it takes a microscope to determine the differences between him and his opponent. A Republican moderate boils down to being the asshole in the room who loves big government as much as the left and thinks with a few little tweaks can do it better than his opponents. The voters see it and vote for the Democrat that promises them more free stuff.

They are sick and tired of getting bones thrown their way, but that's what they are going to get and that's all they deserve. When Tea Partiers can stop sounding like childish hippies they will be allowed back at the grown-up table. I will vote for any establishment Republican over a "true" Tea Partier any day of the week.
 
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They are sick and tired of getting bones thrown their way, but that's what they are going to get and that's all they deserve. When Tea Partiers can stop sounding like childish hippies they will be allowed back at the grown-up table. I will vote for any establishment Republican over a "true" Tea Partier any day of the week.

Sounding like childish hippies? LOL
Well Fiddytree, you vote your establishment Republican and when you lose and the last of **** hits the fan and the U.S of A is once again in control of the leftists, by that time they will have transformed this country into something it was never intended to be and that will be when I will be heading to oh who knows, maybe New Zealand. Someone wanting to start up a business in New Zealand can do it in about 48 hrs. And you can live through the mess you helped to create. Cheers!
 
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Sounding like childish hippies? LOL
Well Fiddytree, you vote your establishment Republican and when you lose and the last of **** hits the fan and the U.S of A is once again in control of the leftists, by that time they will have transformed this country it was never intended to be and that will be when I will be heading to oh who knows, maybe New Zealand. Someone wanting to start up a business in New Zealand can do it in about 48 hrs. And you can live through the mess you helped to create. Cheers!

A little less Jefferson and a whole lot more Hamilton, please.
 
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Christie is the only electable
 
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A little less Jefferson and a whole lot more Hamilton, please.

You see that is your problem, we already have too much Hamilton and need a very good dose of Jefferson.
 
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You see that is your problem, we already have too much Hamilton and need a very good dose of Jefferson.

If we had more Hamilton, we wouldn't have to put up with the southern imagination nearly as much and its pervasive need to eliminate the expansion of the tent with its backward sense of hopeless democratic populism.
 
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It seems strange to me that so many Democrats rushed to post in this thread clearly entitled "for non-Democrats only." Notice that conservatives didn't overrun the Liberals only thread, we don't give a sht who they pick. What are they afraid of, we'll pick somebody without their help.

The Liberals will have to get used to the fact that it's not going to be their indicated favorite, Christie, however. We have enough Rinos to get rid of without adding Christie to the list.
 
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It seems strange to me that so many Democrats rushed to post in this thread clearly entitled "for non-Democrats only." Notice that conservatives didn't overrun the Liberals only thread, we don't give a sht who they pick. What are they afraid of, we'll pick somebody without their help.

The Liberals will have to get used to the fact that it's not going to be their indicated favorite, Christie, however. We have enough Rinos to get rid of without adding Christie to the list.

What liberals?
 
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If we had more Hamilton, we wouldn't have to put up with the southern imagination nearly as much and its pervasive need to eliminate the expansion of the tent with its backward sense of hopeless democratic populism.

Do you eat your Baloney with mayo? :lol:

You know there is a real threat in expanding your tent to the point you no longer stand for anything and that is exactly what is wrong with the moderates in the party.
 
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Do you eat your Baloney with mayo? :lol:

You know there is a real threat in expanding your tent to the point you no longer stand for anything and that is exactly what is wrong with the moderates in the party.

Ideological purity is not a noble goal.
 
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Jeb Bush is still active in politics? Hmmm, didn't know.
 
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Ideological purity is not a noble goal.
What a bunch of whoo wee. There are several types of conservatives alone within the Republican partyl Paleo conservatives, social conservatives, neo conservatives, fiscal conservatives. Stopping the trampling of the Constitution and restoring its first principles is a noble goal.
 
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Do you eat your Baloney with mayo? :lol:

You know there is a real threat in expanding your tent to the point you no longer stand for anything and that is exactly what is wrong with the moderates in the party.

I don't eat baloney. Roast beef, pastrami, thousand island sauce, pickles. Otherwise, hot sauce and bbq sauce rule my world.

Oh we stand for things (at least I do). Some of what I stand for is radical Left, some of it is right-wing authoritarian, some of it is liberal, some of it is socially conservative, much of it is skeptical. Moderates come in all shapes and sizes, but there is probably one thing we can agree on: we need to get more votes. Purity is fantastic at the coffee table, but it makes for stupid politics.
 
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I was impressed by Huntsman, ESPECIALLY his ability to speak Chinese. However, he was made fun of in his own party for knowing that language. (Some Republicans are suspicious of academic prowess and foreign knowledge.) I didn't think that Huntsman had the oomph, the charisma to win a nat'l election, though. But maybe the country is ready for someone low key. (I doubt it, tho.)

Herman Caine is a joke, IMO. His 9-9-9 plan was funny, but that's all. He wasn't a very knowledgeable man, didn't seem particularly intelligent, and didn't communicate well (except to repeat 9-9-9 a lot). He was the comic relief in the primary.

Then you should be tickled pink it has been discovered that it was Jon Huntsman who leaked all the alleged personal **** about Herman Caine that ended his candidacy. Yes that sweet billionaire Mormon did that! LOL.

Your daily jolt: Jon Huntsman leaks brought down Herman Cain | Political Insider | www.ajc.com

But let's not stop there, Huntsman because he is a billionaire and his wealthy daddy funded 59% his campaign when it got strapped for cash while touting he wouldn't take federal funds like the other candidates. Like everyone is a billionaire! Ha. What a joke!
 
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But let's not stop there, Huntsman because he is a billionaire and his wealthy daddy funded 59% his campaign when it got strapped for cash while touting he wouldn't take federal funds like the other candidates. Like everyone is a billionaire! Ha. What a joke!

Oh no, a wealthy Presidential candidate. What ever will we do?
 
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I don't eat baloney. Roast beef, pastrami, thousand island sauce, pickles. Otherwise, hot sauce and bbq sauce rule my world.

Oh we stand for things (at least I do). Some of what I stand for is radical Left, some of it is right-wing authoritarian, some of it is liberal, some of it is socially conservative, much of it is skeptical. Moderates come in all shapes and sizes, but there is probably one thing we can agree on: we need to get more votes. Purity is fantastic at the coffee table, but it makes for stupid politics.

So what you are saying is you are experiencing an identity crisis? :lol:

No one is talking purity except you and another leftist. If we had the potential to be "pure" we would have no need for government at all now would we?

But it is when the individual forgets that government is to be in a limited form for the purpose of protecting your rights is where the whole thing implodes. Too many have forgotten that basic fact.
 
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So what you are saying is you are experiencing an identity crisis? :lol:

Nope, I'm quite comfortable in my orientation.

But it is when the individual forgets that government is to be in a limited form for the purpose of protecting your rights is where the whole thing implodes. Too many have forgotten that basic fact.

That's not a basic fact. We've had individualism compete with communitarianism in this country since it's foundations and both had more than their fair share of reign. For some reason a lot of folks ignore that to make it convenient.
 
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Nope, I'm quite comfortable in my orientation.



That's not a basic fact. We've had individualism compete with communitarianism in this country since it's foundations and both had more than their fair share of reign. For some reason a lot of folks ignore that to make it convenient.

Individualism was a basis for federalists and anti-federalists in all their writings. You see they knew what tyranny looked liked. It was fresh in their minds the sacrifices they endured to break away from it. And the emphasizes for individualism for the most part throughout the first 120 years was ever present...... until Woodrow Wilson, Progressive extraordinaire and closet socialist decided to implement a web of federal government agencies where the elites like himself would tell everyone else what was best for them. And Big F-ing Government was born!
 
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Individualism was a basis for federalists and anti-federalists in all their writings. You see they knew what tyranny looked liked. It was fresh in their minds the sacrifices they endured to break away from it. And the emphasizes for individualism for the most part throughout the first 120 years was ever present...... until Woodrow Wilson, Progressive extraordinaire and closet socialist decided to implement a web of federal government agencies where the elites like himself would tell everyone else what was best for them. And Big F-ing Government was born!

Individualism to the Federalists in the Federalist Party typically meant a great deal differently than it did to the anti-Federalists and the Federalist supporters that joined the Democratic-Republican Party.

And the emphasizes for individualism for the most part throughout the first 120 years was ever present...... until Woodrow Wilson, Progressive extraordinaire and closet socialist decided to implement a web of federal government agencies where the elites like himself would tell everyone else what was best for them.

Well, aside from the fact that the real emphasis on individualism grew to its apex during the Gilded Age.....you have a point in that Jacksonian Democracy continued to influence America long after the man passed. It still nevertheless had to compete with communitarian principles of law and regulation quite frequently.

Strange, since Woodrow Wilson is widely known to have introduced your concept of individualism to a much larger extent than Roosevelt, Taft, or La Follette were ever comfortable doing. All you have to do is start with the man's own writing some years before he was a candidate. Afterward, you get a sense of it with his rather vague definition of New Freedom, as opposed to the New Nationalism. Has someone by chance been influenced by the Beckian revivalism of looking at the Progressive era?
 
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Individualism to the Federalists in the Federalist Party typically meant a great deal differently than it did to the anti-Federalists and the Federalist supporters that joined the Democratic-Republican Party.



Well, aside from the fact that the real emphasis on individualism grew to its apex during the Gilded Age.....you have a point in that Jacksonian Democracy continued to influence America long after the man passed. It still nevertheless had to compete with communitarian principles of law and regulation quite frequently.

Strange, since Woodrow Wilson is widely known to have introduced your concept of individualism to a much larger extent than Roosevelt, Taft, or La Follette were ever comfortable doing. All you have to do is start with the man's own writing some years before he was a candidate. Afterward, you get a sense of it with his rather vague definition of New Freedom, as opposed to the New Nationalism. Has someone by chance been influenced by the Beckian revivalism of looking at the Progressive era?

The basis of Wilson's whole political theology was never based in individualism but collectivism. Has someone not read Wilson's unpublished manuscripts leading up to his election? Has someone not studied the Progressive era where the Socialist Party was very open at that time so much so that the first socialist was elected to Congress from Wisconsin? And a man by the name of Eugene Debs, a socialist, listed on many ballots across this country representing the Socialist party on multiple occasions during the Progressive erA. But oddly (NOT REALLY) after the election of Woodrow Wilson, the Socialist party seem to disappear and the reason...they found a friend in the Democrat party.
 
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