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And people claim I am incapable of compromise
Did you read my post or just reject it because I didn't say you were right?
And people claim I am incapable of compromise
I offered a compromise, that would lead to acceptance, you demand acceptance. /shrugDid you read my post or just reject it because I didn't say you were right?
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This is my good friend Ashley and she did show me her (new) ***** and it looked like......a *****. I've known her (as a woman) for many years, before and after "the chop".
I doubt it would be an issue for me as long as the M2F were truly feminine. Once in a while, I've seen guys I thought were "hot". Not that I desired them but it was their femininity that made me recognize them.
I'll be with a smooth M2F before I'm with a hairy woman....Thank dog I'm too old to care anymore.
I offered a compromise, that would lead to acceptance, you demand acceptance. /shrug
So I read a little more on this after your response. (I had honestly just talked to a friend before my original post) What I found said that male to female is more successful but that female to male are often left without sensation but not in all cases and the results are improving. That makes me happy for them actually. Glad I was wrong,.
I hear you and I don't mean to dismiss the effort but consider this at least. You are asking them to accept your intolerance and be okay with being denied. So, it kinds of makes sense based on that, that it would be considered unacceptable. What is it that you feel they are asking from you that so offends you?
I'm tyrying to picture the moment.:lol:
Question for you, if you met the girl of your dreams, and found out after words she had been born Bob, but if she stood before you start nakid next to a hot gal and you couldn't tell she'd ever been bob... would you care?
Of course I would........He would have male plumbing
I hear that but how in the world is that a good enough reason. In what other instance do we allow people to be denied access to the any privilege because some people have a hard time accepting it? And why is your acceptance of it necessary? (I am being sincere with these questions, it is hard not to assign it an snotty tone but that is not where I'm coming from)It's not that OD, it's there is a large majority of people that find Gay Marriage just, unacceptable.
But that's you deciding what SHOULD matter. Isn't that their decision?protections that really, in the end matter
Yes the majority position is causing hardship, I get that, I REALLY do. But you get more flies with honey then vinegar. Right now, I'm offering honey, you're all for pouring vinegar.
Navy, with the right surgery, you wouldn't know. With hormones... if she's truly female in mind and takes the time and effort to get her body to match, you'd never know.
It's not that OD, it's there is a large majority of people that find Gay Marriage just, unacceptable. There are gay people that wish to have the legal, financial advantages of a marriage. Instead of forcing the majority to "YOU WILL ACCEPT THIS BECAUSE WE THINK YOU'RE WRONG!" why not start with the important CIVIL LEGAL protections that really, in the end matter instead of trying to shove gay marriage down the throats of the country?
That's the activist gay agenda I'm talking about.
Yes the majority position is causing hardship, I get that, I REALLY do. But you get more flies with honey then vinegar. Right now, I'm offering honey, you're all for pouring vinegar.
I'm not trying to be demeaning, I'm saying that even in California and Oregon, you couldn't get people to vote for Gay Marriage, forcing them to accept it by fiat just causes MORE hate and problems. I'm TRYING to get to gay marriage, without all the bull****.I hear that but how in the world is that a good enough reason. In what other instance do we allow people to be denied access to the any privilege because some people have a hard time accepting it? And why is your acceptance of it necessary? (I am being sincere with these questions, it is hard not to assign it an snotty tone but that is not where I'm coming from)
But that's you deciding what SHOULD matter. Isn't that their decision?
Here is the problem with this stance. I could easily say the same about the position of those who oppose gay marriage but really, is that fair? I am offended frankly by the selfishness of this position, but I am trying to understand what is happening internally for the people who hold it. When you don't do that, when you judge and demean their effort communication ends and understanding becomes impossible. Which puts solutions out of reach.
What you want boils down to separate but equal. Marriage lite because of intolerance. SSM does not tangibly harm straight marriage.
Wow.Yes, that's it. It's intolerance that guides me, how ****ing stupid of me to not see this before. SCREW YOU AMERICA! GAY MARRIAGE FOR ALL, DON'T LIKE TOO ****ING BAD! That's YOU BEING INTOLERANT YOU BOGITS JERKS YOU WILL LIKE WHAT WE SAY!!! Screw trying to ease the issue and helping people see through small steps, screw that, you don't get a say in what we want, Gay Marriage all the way baby,m screw your religion, screw your beliefs, screw you! You are hateful angry bigoted people denying Gay's their rights! Marriage is whatever anyone says it is!
I'm not trying to be demeaning, I'm saying that even in California and Oregon, you couldn't get people to vote for Gay Marriage, forcing them to accept it by fiat just causes MORE hate and problems. I'm TRYING to get to gay marriage, without all the bull****.
Yes, that's it. It's intolerance that guides me, how ****ing stupid of me to not see this before. SCREW YOU AMERICA! GAY MARRIAGE FOR ALL, DON'T LIKE TOO ****ING BAD! That's YOU BEING INTOLERANT YOU BOGITS JERKS YOU WILL LIKE WHAT WE SAY!!! Screw trying to ease the issue and helping people see through small steps, screw that, you don't get a say in what we want, Gay Marriage all the way baby,m screw your religion, screw your beliefs, screw you! You are hateful angry bigoted people denying Gay's their rights! Marriage is whatever anyone says it is!
I am semi happily married
I don't disagree with that. However, I think there is a real difference between bigotry, intolerance and NOT supporting gay marriage. One can have a stance against, say gay marriage and it have very little to nothing to do with hate or intolerance. If you make it harder for those folks to defend their position, say with a civil union process where a gay family is more ubiquitous in everyday life then the more intolerant jerks will lose an ally and the whole thing falls apart for them. Personally I think demanding gay marriage be called a marriage is silly. Embrace the difference! But that's just me.Okay, I understand your point better. I guess though that I have a hard time with the idea because I see it as condoning hate and and judgement and frankly, I struggle with that. It seems inconsistent with things our history should have taught us about prejudice and exclusion.
Gina did not say that it is *you* who is being intolerant.
However, there is no reasonable doubt that the opposition to SSM is motivated by intolerance.
When a compromise requires some people to be denied their constitutional right to equal treatment under the law, then it's not a compromise; it's a surrender of their constitutional right.
That goes double when the "compromise" requires one side to give up nothing.
See, that's the problem with people like, you assume that because people do not support gay marriage, they must be bad intolerant people thuis you attack and condemn them for not believing what you do, you're just as bad as Gina. TOLERANCE FOR ALL! As long as you AGREE WITH US!
I don't disagree with that. However, I think there is a real difference between bigotry, intolerance and NOT supporting gay marriage. One can have a stance against, say gay marriage and it have very little to nothing to do with hate or intolerance. If you make it harder for those folks to defend their position, say with a civil union process where a gay family is more ubiquitous in everyday life then the more intolerant jerks will lose an ally and the whole thing falls apart for them. Personally I think demanding gay marriage be called a marriage is silly. Embrace the difference! But that's just me.