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transgender love

Could you have sex with a transgender

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opendebate said:
How would that work if you have a penis constructed from a vagina? How could the male ejaculate? I guess the surgery may have advanced, that's possible.
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I think they use that stuff that peter parker invented.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I was actually thinking how I'd like to see a man made ummm, ***** for lack of a better word but now you have me thinking in another direction. I WAS gonna have hot dogs for dinner tonight, not any more!:lol:
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This is my good friend Ashley and she did show me her (new) ***** and it looked like......a *****. I've known her (as a woman) for many years, before and after "the chop".

I doubt it would be an issue for me as long as the M2F were truly feminine. Once in a while, I've seen guys I thought were "hot". Not that I desired them but it was their femininity that made me recognize them.

I'll be with a smooth M2F before I'm with a hairy woman....Thank dog I'm too old to care anymore.
 
opendebate said:
How would that work if you have a penis constructed from a vagina? How could the male ejaculate? I guess the surgery may have advanced, that's possible.
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Orgasm is not tied to ejactulation. The real danger is in the new plumbing not working right, i.e. nerves cut/not firing right then... well not so good.
 
MrVicchio said:
Orgasm is not tied to ejactulation. The real danger is in the new plumbing not working right, i.e. nerves cut/not firing right then... well not so good.
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So I read a little more on this after your response. (I had honestly just talked to a friend before my original post) What I found said that male to female is more successful but that female to male are often left without sensation but not in all cases and the results are improving. That makes me happy for them actually. Glad I was wrong,.
 
opendebate said:
So I read a little more on this after your response. (I had honestly just talked to a friend before my original post) What I found said that male to female is more successful but that female to male are often left without sensation but not in all cases and the results are improving. That makes me happy for them actually. Glad I was wrong,.
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It's not a spur of the moment "I'm tired of wearing suits and ties, blouses and skirts for me!" with a little jaunt down to the old snip'n'tuck ;) It's quite the process.
 
MrVicchio said:
It's not a spur of the moment "I'm tired of wearing suits and ties, blouses and skirts for me!" with a little jaunt down to the old snip'n'tuck ;) It's quite the process.
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I understand that. From what I have read it is a quite a struggle for many to get to a place where they chose surgery. Did I somehow appear unsympathetic to that to you? Or unaware that it is a very complicated procedure regardless of which gender you transition too?
 
opendebate said:
I understand that. From what I have read it is a quite a struggle for many to get to a place where they chose surgery. Did I somehow appear unsympathetic to that to you? Or unaware that it is a very complicated procedure regardless of which gender you transition too?
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Oh no, I apologize if that came off that way, I was just eager to use that line is all! The surgery is a beast, and many don't go that far because A: it's expensive and B: if it fails you're in a bad place.
 
MrVicchio said:
Oh no, I apologize if that came off that way, I was just eager to use that line is all! The surgery is a beast, and many don't go that far because A: it's expensive and B: if it fails you're in a bad place.
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No problem, I just didn't want to appear that way.

I don't know about you but I like sex. I like it alot. It's complicated enough without nature throwing this crap at you. I can't imagine being in that place, feeling like your body contradicts how you see yourself. The emotional and physical hurdles are staggering. I feel for them.

I also have no idea, in general, why other people give a **** about how others conduct their sexual lives. As long as you are not forcing anyone to participate why should anyone judge? Never got that
 
opendebate said:
No problem, I just didn't want to appear that way.

I don't know about you but I like sex. I like it alot. It's complicated enough without nature throwing this crap at you. I can't imagine being in that place, feeling like your body contradicts how you see yourself. The emotional and physical hurdles are staggering. I feel for them.

I also have no idea, in general, why other people give a **** about how others conduct their sexual lives. As long as you are not forcing anyone to participate why should anyone judge? Never got that
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My compassion arose from knowing a transwoman, and having my eyes opened. I don't CARE what you do, it's the political agenda that goes with the LGBT movement that I think causes much of the consternation these days. Are there bigots but wipes out there? Yeah, they will ALWAYS be there. I think most of us on the Right have moved beyond "Sicko's!" to "Just... great you're (insert LGBT label that applies here) here, awesome, wonderful... we really don't care."
 
MrVicchio said:
My compassion arose from knowing a transwoman, and having my eyes opened. I don't CARE what you do, it's the political agenda that goes with the LGBT movement that I think causes much of the consternation these days. Are there bigots but wipes out there? Yeah, they will ALWAYS be there. I think most of us on the Right have moved beyond "Sicko's!" to "Just... great you're (insert LGBT label that applies here) here, awesome, wonderful... we really don't care."
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I agree. I think there is a lot of negative labeling that Cons and Libs impose on one another unfairly. I am curious though. What is the political agenda that goes along with it in your opinion and how is that agenda problematic? If you don't mind.
 
opendebate said:
I agree. I think there is a lot of negative labeling that Cons and Libs impose on one another unfairly. I am curious though. What is the political agenda that goes along with it in your opinion and how is that agenda problematic? If you don't mind.
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What we see a "militant gay agenda". Stuff like this:
Nightmare at Franklin
By Tom Mountain - Newton Tab
Wednesday, November 8, 2006

Emer O'Shea knew something was wrong the minute she picked up her daughter from Franklin Elementary School. The third-grader was normally very perky upon seeing her mother and new baby sister, but this time she glanced at her mother without indicating what was wrong, except to say that the school's social worker had visited the class. But Emer soon heard from another parent about what had happened in her daughter's class that day, and she was both stunned and mortified. The next day her young daughter finally opened up with a question that would baffle most parents of an 8-year-old child, "Mommy, is it possible for a man to have an operation to become a woman?"

Transgenders and transvestites. These were the topics that a staff member at Franklin School in West Newton chose to teach to a class of third-grade children. The school's social worker described to the children that some men like to dress up as women, and yes, some men even have operations to change into women.
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Transgenderism in 3rd grade! (please excuse the source, it's a copy froma new site that removed the story).

That bothers the hell out of us. Let kids be kids. Or saying trans is normal. I'm as pro-trans as you'll find, but normal, it ain't.

Gay Marriage. Marriage is between a man and a woman, thus why gay marriage has such a hard time at the ballot box. I've ALWAYS stated a legal civil union with all the bennies of marriage, let that permeate and maybe in a decade or two people will be more accepting but well, we don't have that.

(Granted there are militant religious and conservative pushes that exist and I'm not pleased with those either).
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Some of these transgender women look pretty hot but I just don't think I could ever have sex or fall in love with one. In the end they are still men no matter how the plumbing has been altered, well that's my opinion any way.
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I am not average in that I have known several TV/TS types(or whatever the in vogue terms are now) and have a hard time thinking of them in terms of what they where at one time. I don't think I would have a problem with having a relationship with a post-op, though I have never been tempted to either. I do think I might feel a little uncomfortable at first, but doubt that would last and don't think that would dissuade me.
 
MrVicchio said:
What we see a "militant gay agenda". Stuff like this:

Transgenderism in 3rd grade! (please excuse the source, it's a copy froma new site that removed the story).

That bothers the hell out of us. Let kids be kids. Or saying trans is normal. I'm as pro-trans as you'll find, but normal, it ain't.

Gay Marriage. Marriage is between a man and a woman, thus why gay marriage has such a hard time at the ballot box. I've ALWAYS stated a legal civil union with all the bennies of marriage, let that permeate and maybe in a decade or two people will be more accepting but well, we don't have that.

(Granted there are militant religious and conservative pushes that exist and I'm not pleased with those either).
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I am not going to say your source is wrong as I cannot find confirmation or disproof of it. However, I have looked into a lot of similar stories and there tends to either be more to it, or they are flat out exaggerations/lies. Far more often than not, when something seems too outragious to be true, it probably isn't true. I cannot think of a TV or TS I have met that would think it is a good idea to discuss that aspect of themselves with elementary school kids. Your story, if true, is not representative of TS/TV views I do not think at all.
 
MrVicchio said:
What we see a "militant gay agenda". Stuff like this:

Transgenderism in 3rd grade! (please excuse the source, it's a copy froma new site that removed the story).

That bothers the hell out of us. Let kids be kids. Or saying trans is normal. I'm as pro-trans as you'll find, but normal, it ain't.

Gay Marriage. Marriage is between a man and a woman, thus why gay marriage has such a hard time at the ballot box. I've ALWAYS stated a legal civil union with all the bennies of marriage, let that permeate and maybe in a decade or two people will be more accepting but well, we don't have that.

(Granted there are militant religious and conservative pushes that exist and I'm not pleased with those either).
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I won't argue the legitimacy of the story concerning the 3rd grader and I will say that I am certainly more protective of young children and the complications discussions about such things would no doubt create in their lives. But I think that conflict comes from the mixed messages when their is judgment and disapproval in their homes but support or tolerance being promoted in the classroom.

I also think that our children are better served if they are taught to be tolerant of others. That mentality simply promises a life with less conflict; which is in their best interest. I suppose though that they will encounter opportunities for this lesson when they are older and little better equipped to form their own opinions.

As for Gay marriage. I have to just flat out disagree with you there. The only reason to limit the definition, that I can see anyway, to being between a man and woman is because the staunchly conservative or religious are not comfortable with it; because it conflicts with their beliefs. That's just not a good enough reason to limit gay men and womens (or anyone's) access to have an actual marriage with their partner with all the silly romantic implications and legal benefits it carries with it.
 
 
opendebate said:
I won't argue the legitimacy of the story concerning the 3rd grader and I will say that I am certainly more protective of young children and the complications discussions about such things would no doubt create in their lives. But I think that conflict comes from the mixed messages when their is judgment and disapproval in their homes but support or tolerance being promoted in the classroom.

I also think that our children are better served if they are taught to be tolerant of others. That mentality simply promises a life with less conflict; which is in their best interest. I suppose though that they will encounter opportunities for this lesson when they are older and little better equipped to form their own opinions.

As for Gay marriage. I have to just flat out disagree with you there. The only reason to limit the definition, that I can see anyway, to being between a man and woman is because the staunchly conservative or religious are not comfortable with it; because it conflicts with their beliefs. That's just not a good enough reason to limit gay men and womens (or anyone's) access to have an actual marriage with their partner with all the silly romantic implications and legal benefits it carries with it.
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Well, see, we can agree to disagree. My issue gay marriage is the strife it causes is needless, and can be gotten around in a less... disruptive manner. To be honest, my goal is the same as yours, just a different approach to the same solution. However, I understand the opposition to gay marriage, and how deeply ingrained the idea of "One man, One Woman". There is far more there then silly romantic beliefs.
 
Not just know but hell no!!!! The wrong plumbing........The very thought it wants to make me throw up..........
 
Navy Pride said:
Not just know but hell no!!!! The wrong plumbing........The very thought it wants to make me throw up..........
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Question for you, if you met the girl of your dreams, and found out after words she had been born Bob, but if she stood before you start nakid next to a hot gal and you couldn't tell she'd ever been bob... would you care?
 
MrVicchio said:
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Well, see, we can agree to disagree. My issue gay marriage is the strife it causes is needless, and can be gotten around in a less... disruptive manner
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Really, you are just referring to the strife it causes you and those who share your opinion and it's not "needless". Gay people want to marry their partners for all the same reasons hetero couples do and it just doesn't make sense to deny them that because it makes you uncomfortable. Logically speaking that reasoning is not sound.


To be honest, my goal is the same as yours, just a different approach to the same solution. However, I understand the opposition to gay marriage, and how deeply ingrained the idea of "One man, One Woman".
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I don't think our goal is the same because to me separate but equal is not acceptable.

There is far more there then silly romantic beliefs.
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I didn't mean to dismiss your understanding of marriage as silly or romantic. I was referring specifically to all the stuff that we attach to the concept of marriage that actually IS silly romantic stuff.
 
opendebate said:
Really, you are just referring to the strife it causes you and those who share your opinion and it's not "needless". Gay people want to marry their partners for all the same reasons hetero couples do and it just doesn't make sense to deny them that because it makes you uncomfortable. Logically speaking that reasoning is not sound.




I don't think our goal is the same because to me separate but equal is not acceptable.

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I didn't mean to dismiss your understanding of marriage as silly or romantic. I was referring specifically to all the stuff that we attach to the concept of marriage that actually IS silly romantic stuff.
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Do you care about the name or the rights? I care about the rights
 
opendebate said:
help me understand that
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All things legally being equal, would it.matter if it was called a civil union to appease those that see marriage sacred or must it be called marriage for it to be equal to you?
 
MrVicchio said:
All things legally being equal, would it.matter if it was called a civil union to appease those that see marriage sacred or must it be called marriage for it to be equal to you?
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I hear you but I see it differently. No big surprise there. Something other then marriage is incapable of being equal. You want to preserve the term marriage because it MEANS something to you. It has tradition and sentiment and lots of intangible things attached to it that enhance it's meaning and value. You don't want to marry a woman you love simply because of the tax advantages or the legal access to health decisions. You want to marry that person because of what the institution means to you. Gay people want the same thing and a civil union has none of that. You seek to deny them access to the lovely symbology of that ceremony where as they only ask that you share its wealth of meaning. They take nothing from you, they ask you to be accepting and tolerant, but you take this from them. How is that okay?
 
opendebate said:
I hear you but I see it differently. No big surprise there. Something other then marriage is incapable of being equal. You want to preserve the term marriage because it MEANS something to you. It has tradition and sentiment and lots of intangible things attached to it that enhance it's meaning and value. You don't want to marry a woman you love simply because of the tax advantages or the legal access to health decisions. You want to marry that person because of what the institution means to you. Gay people want the same thing and a civil union has none of that. You seek to deny them access to the lovely symbology of that ceremony where as they only ask that you share its wealth of meaning. They take nothing from you, they ask you to be accepting and tolerant, but you take this from them. How is that okay?
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And people claim I am incapable of compromise
 
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