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Obama vs. Nixon

Who is the more sinister liar?

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the Nixon lies did not deteriorate the middle class, Obama has successfully dismantled it. He is a POS.
 
TurtleDude said:
and what would have happened if HHH had won
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Has nothing to do with the debate in question. The question is "who is the biggest liar between A and B".
They both have huge lies that have cost lives. However, for me, 15,000 men trumps the 4 from Benghazi and however many from the air strikes.

Nixon said he would end the war. Not only did he NOT do that, he escalated the war. No matter if you feel he was right in doing so, he said one thing and did another. The "other" cost many lives.
 
Hatuey said:
There's nothing to deflect - you're so desperate you're try to bring Obama to the lowest level of American politics by comparing him to Republican scum. :shrug:
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Hatuey said:
Sure, because he's a Democrat and you don't like him. Spare me the partisanship. :shrug:
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... and referring to "Republican scum" isn't partisan because why... you're a Democrat?

Spare us indeed.
 
calamity said:
Good lord, BenGHAZEEEE!

What a load of crap.

You don't know your Nixon Nam History. Do ya?
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tell us what would have been different if Humphrey would have won

you want to blame nixon for a war he didn't start.
 
I think Obama would definitely win a fight against Nixon, since Richard Nixon is dead and thus unable to defend himself.
 
Kobie said:
I think Obama would definitely win a fight against Nixon, since Richard Nixon is dead and thus unable to defend himself.
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Well, thus far he's winning in this poll.
 
EdwinWillers said:
... and referring to "Republican scum" isn't partisan because why... you're a Democrat?

Spare us indeed.
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Nixon was Republican scum. Was he not a Republican? Was he not scum? Yep. Can't wait to see you do acrobatics.
 
I was in the military during the Nixon presidency and I have to say he treated us fairly...Although I was not one I thing he did a great job when he invited all the POWS for a huge dinner.....He really pissed off the left wing protestors. I will always respect him...We got more pay raises under him then any other president.......God Bless Him and may he rest in peace.
 
zimmer said:
Nobody died from Nixon's lies.
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Nixon declares Vietnam War is ending — History.com This Day in History — 12/8/1969

Nixon lie that got thousands of Americans killed: said:
At a news conference, President Richard Nixon says that the Vietnam War is coming to a "conclusion as a result of the plan that we have instituted." Nixon had announced at a conference in Midway in June that the United States would be following a new program he termed "Vietnamization."

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Nixon's pronouncements that the war was ending proved premature. In April 1970, he expanded the war by ordering U.S. and South Vietnamese troops to attack communist sanctuaries in Cambodia.
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Nixon didn't lie in order to thieve 6% of the economy for his party's political purposes.
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I don't suppose you have proof of this.

Nixon also did not run guns to Mexico in an attempt to slash the 2nd Amendment... but let's stick to the two Whoppers Obama lied about and even Demokrats have heard about.
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You do know Richard Nixon was staunchly anti-gun. Yes? He even went as far as voicing support for certain handgun bans.

Nixon Supported Gun Control

Richard Nixon said:
I don’t know why any individual should have a right to have a revolver in his house…The kids usually kill themselves with it and so forth…can’t we go after handguns, period?

I know the rifle association will be against it, the gun makers will be against it. [But] people should not have handguns.
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Who is the more sinister liar?
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You are.
 
Perotista said:
Strange isn't, both Vietnam and China moving towards Capitalism and we toward Socialism or more government control of business. Military wise, we are becoming closer and closer and may soon have the rights to use Cam Ranh Bay for our Pacific ships. I agree on the gay rights and don't forget, he did get the Start Treaty, disengaged us from Iraq and is about to, I hope from Afghanistan. So as to his foreign policy, I haven't been too disappointed.

Now the ACA has been a sore spot with me, not so much as to what he was trying to do, but for the way it was pushed through congress. As a leader, he does seem to leave a lot to be desired. The first two years of his administration, he let Pelosi and Reid run his domestic policy. He let Biden negotiate and make the deal with McConnell over the first debt ceiling debate. I have stopped listening to him when he give speeches as they are nothing more than campaign speeches.

I really haven't seen much difference between him and Bush II. Both either left or leaves much to be desired. I go back to Eisenhower as presidents I can personally remember their policies and how it affect us and the nation. I would only rank Nixon, Ford and Carter below Bush II and Obama. So I am not impressed with either.
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Unfortunately, as often, I agree with you. But I suppose thats how it works. Each president makes one contribution and has one failure to be remembered by.

Yes, I'm SICK of campaign speeches.
 
Hatuey said:
You are.
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ROTFLOL...

Well, at least Nixon was honest about his guns policy desires. Obama was not.
Obama wasn't honest about his stance on gays.
Obama wasn't honest about "If you can keep your plan... your Dr."
Obama was not honest about running guns to Mexico.
Obama was not honest about Benghazi.
Obama was not honest about being a Uniter; you know... no red state, no blue state... ROTFLOL...
Obama was not honest about Rev. Wright... as if he never heard his poison... ROTFLOL

Of course, I am sinister for pointing this out and mocking my Old Party at every turn, and coming from you, I take that as a compliment.
It tells me I am doing everything right.

I know comparing Nixon to Obama, and knowing Obama is by miles The Sinister One... pisses true Beliebers like you off. It sticks in your craw because there is no comparing Nixon's coverup to Obama's pathological lying.

I'm simply surprised nobody on the right in the national debate has made the comparison. It's a worthy one, where Nixon would look like a saintly creature; a dumb ass who covered up a 3rd rate burglary he did not plan or know of until after the fact.

It's so transparent now that Obama has serious problems with the truth, that he lies, and lies, and lies... that Team Pravda cannot cover for him, but it doesn't stop The Jackals from trying!

The latest lies are "he's sorry". He will "listen"
ROTFLOL... OK, he's sorry Team Pravda didn't mount a defense for the indefensible.
He's sorry he got caught.
Sorry about the misery he's created? **** no! He's happy to have shoved Obamakare down our throats.

Listen? ROTFLMFAO... Listen... This prick doesn't listen any more than Stalin listened.
 
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TurtleDude said:
tell us what would have been different if Humphrey would have won

you want to blame nixon for a war he didn't start.
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Do you think fewer than four men would have died in Lybia, Iran or Iraq if McWarmongerCain was elected in 08?
 
zimmer said:
ROTFLOL...

Well, at least Nixon was honest about his guns policy desires. Obama was not.
Obama wasn't honest about his stance on gays.
Obama wasn't honest about "If you can keep your plan... your Dr."
Obama was not honest about running guns to Mexico.
Obama was not honest about Benghazi.
Obama was not honest about being a Uniter; you know... no red state, no blue state... ROTFLOL...
Obama was not honest about Rev. Wright... as if he never heard his poison... ROTFLOL

Of course, I am sinister for pointing this out and mocking my Old Party at every turn, and coming from you, I take that as a compliment.
It tells me I am doing everything right.

I know comparing Nixon to Obama, and knowing Obama is by miles The Sinister One... pisses true Beliebers like you off. It sticks in your craw because there is no comparing Nixon's coverup to Obama's pathological lying.

I'm simply surprised nobody on the right in the national debate has made the comparison. It's a worthy one, where Nixon would look like a saintly creature; a dumb ass who covered up a 3rd rate burglary he did not plan or know of until after the fact.

It's so transparent now that Obama has serious problems with the truth, that he lies, and lies, and lies... that Team Pravda cannot cover for him, but it doesn't stop The Jackals from trying!

The latest lies are "he's sorry". He will "listen"
ROTFLOL... OK, he's sorry Team Pravda didn't mount a defense for the indefensible.
He's sorry he got caught.
Sorry about the misery he's created? **** no! He's happy to have shoved Obamakare down our throats.

Listen? ROTFLMFAO... Listen... This prick doesn't listen any more than Stalin listened.
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You forgot the we don't spy on Americans we just collect data on them "lie". But, of course, Nixon did that too. And, Reagan said he never traded arms for hostages.

Just saying.
 
calamity said:
Do you think fewer than four men would have died in Lybia, Iran or Iraq if McWarmongerCain was elected in 08?
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less ambassadors would have been anally raped and murdered
 
Hatuey said:
Nixon was Republican scum. Was he not a Republican? Was he not scum? Yep. Can't wait to see you do acrobatics.
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LOL

But Obama IS Democrat scum. Is he not a Democrat? Is he not scum? Yep.

And thank you so much for demonstrating how that can be said in a non-partisan manner.
 
calamity said:
Do you think fewer than four men would have died in Lybia, Iran or Iraq if McWarmongerCain was elected in 08?
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The issue really is if another individual would have prevented it, they likely would not have prevented it.

But I think most other Presidents would have admitted a mistake happened, and worked to prevent it from happening again.

Look, I am not a huge Clinton fan. And yes, he told his lies as well. But when Blackhawk Down happened and they were dragging the bodies of our Soldiers through the streets, the President got up and took responsibility. And even though I never did vote for him, that one incident won him a lot of respect for me.

I can point at a lot of Presidents I did not like, Carter, Clinton, Johnson, but at least most of them when things in their administration went bad they would stand up and take responsibility. As the sign on Harry Truman's desk said, "THE BUCK STOPS HERE".

President Limp Waffle takes responsibility for nothing, he does nothing, he stands for nothing. I honestly do not think he lies, as much as he never tells the truth. Benghazi (and the subsequent arrest of Nakoula Basseley Nakoula), ACA, Fast & Furious, IRS targeting Conservative groups, closing Gitmo, recording reporter phone calls, recording foreign heads of state, the James Rosen affair, GAO-GSA reports of extravagant "conventions" held by IRS, HHS, VA, and other departments (costing millions of dollars each), Alejandro Mayorkas, firing of IGs who investigate Obama friends, Solyndra (and the dozens of other companies run by Obama supporters that got big checks only to go under).

And in All of these and more, the President says he had nothing to do with it, he is not responsible, etc, etc, etc.

It even makes me wonder if his daughters are really his daughters. Because the way he reacts to anything else, I bet if asked he would say he had nothing to do with them, and they are not his responsibility.
 
Oozlefinch said:
The issue really is if another individual would have prevented it, they likely would not have prevented it.

But I think most other Presidents would have admitted a mistake happened, and worked to prevent it from happening again.

Look, I am not a huge Clinton fan. And yes, he told his lies as well. But when Blackhawk Down happened and they were dragging the bodies of our Soldiers through the streets, the President got up and took responsibility. And even though I never did vote for him, that one incident won him a lot of respect for me.

I can point at a lot of Presidents I did not like, Carter, Clinton, Johnson, but at least most of them when things in their administration went bad they would stand up and take responsibility. As the sign on Harry Truman's desk said, "THE BUCK STOPS HERE".

President Limp Waffle takes responsibility for nothing, he does nothing, he stands for nothing. I honestly do not think he lies, as much as he never tells the truth. Benghazi (and the subsequent arrest of Nakoula Basseley Nakoula), ACA, Fast & Furious, IRS targeting Conservative groups, closing Gitmo, recording reporter phone calls, recording foreign heads of state, the James Rosen affair, GAO-GSA reports of extravagant "conventions" held by IRS, HHS, VA, and other departments (costing millions of dollars each), Alejandro Mayorkas, firing of IGs who investigate Obama friends, Solyndra (and the dozens of other companies run by Obama supporters that got big checks only to go under).

And in All of these and more, the President says he had nothing to do with it, he is not responsible, etc, etc, etc.

It even makes me wonder if his daughters are really his daughters. Because the way he reacts to anything else, I bet if asked he would say he had nothing to do with them, and they are not his responsibility.
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That Obama is not involved with any of the day to day management would not surprise me at all. He's not a leader. He's a salesman.

When it comes to detached leadership, Obama is another W Bush. Totally. The only difference is that instead of Cheney running the show, we have a team of incompetents running it now. We went from Darth Vader being in charge to C-3PO & R2D2 taking over operations.
 
calamity said:
That Obama is not involved with any of the day to day management would not surprise me at all. He's not a leader. He's a salesman.
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What do you not understand about "THE BUCK STOPS HERE"?

He is the CEO of the country. I bet if it was some corporate CEO who also was just leading a company and was not "involved with any of the day to day management", you would be screaming for his head if similar things happened.

It is his total disconnect and denial of any responsibility for himself or anybody else in his administration that bothers me.

Probably the last Democrat President that I really fully respected was President Truman. Because he really did take responsibility, not just shrug and go "not my fault".
 
Oozlefinch said:
What do you not understand about "THE BUCK STOPS HERE"?
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I understand it. So does Hillary. Give it another 18 months and the buck will stop here again.

He is the CEO of the country. I bet if it was some corporate CEO who also was just leading a company and was not "involved with any of the day to day management", you would be screaming for his head if similar things happened.

It is his total disconnect and denial of any responsibility for himself or anybody else in his administration that bothers me.

Probably the last Democrat President that I really fully respected was President Truman. Because he really did take responsibility, not just shrug and go "not my fault".
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Obama is a salesman. Just like Bush. Did you whine about the job he did? That band of merry men never took responsibility for their mistakes either.
 
zimmer said:
Nobody died from Nixon's lies.
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:lamo Nixon and his Secretary of State Henry Kissinger deliberately sabotaged the Paris peace talks by giving a backdoor to Saigon. Half of the Americans on the wall died because of the machinations by this disgusting person, after the collapse of the peace talks. He also illegally extended the war into neutral Cambodia, despite his promises. The bombing of Cambodia resulted in the death of tens of thousands of Cambodians and is partially responsible for the rise of Pol Pot. The US support of Pinochet's coup in Chile resulted in the overthrow of a democratically elected government, the assassination of a general who was committed to republicanism, and the installation of a 15 year-long regime that tortured, disappeared, and murdered untold numbers of Chileans.

So no, people did die from Nixon's lies. Infinitely more people died from Nixon's lies than from Obama's "lies."
 
zimmer said:
I'm simply surprised nobody on the right in the national debate has made the comparison.
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Maybe because they aren't retarded and have a clue about what is actually going on. ;)
 
calamity said:
you sure do seem fixated on anal rape. THat seems odd.

BTW: Do you care that under Rummy, Bush and Cheney our boys in Abu Graib and probably Gitmo were jamming things up the butts of innocent people held as terrorist suspects?
http://boingboing.net/2012/12/14/cia-tortured-sodomized-te.html
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you seem oblivious of what happened to our ambassador. That sort of horrific torture and death is an insult to all of America. Why wasn't USAF fighters deployed to destroy those who attacked OUR NATION? Why do you care more for terrorists than our own diplomats? Do you really despise America so much?
 
TurtleDude said:
you seem oblivious of what happened to our ambassador. That sort of horrific torture and death is an insult to all of America. Why wasn't USAF fighters deployed to destroy those who attacked OUR NATION? Why do you care more for terrorists than our own diplomats? Do you really despise America so much?
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Alleged terrorists who ended up being completely innocent of terrorism. Funny how your sort always leaves that part out.
 
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