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Would You Support Militarizing The Border With Mexico?

Would You Support Militarizing The Mexican Border?

  • Yes

    Votes: 52 45.6%

  • Some Measures

    Votes: 15 13.2%

  • No

    Votes: 47 41.2%
  • Total voters
    114
Phil_Osophy said:
Slight error in my logic there. There's also the factor that one would have to travel several miles to get to a farm everyday. Mcdonalds is usually right down the street.
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Depending, of course, on where you live. Not everyone lives in town.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The family farm went the way of the floppy disk, only a lot longer ago.
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But not the family garden... most people who live in rural areas have one.
 
Bodhisattva said:
But not the family garden... most people who live in rural areas have one.
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I live in a rural area just outside of Austin. I had a gardens. It was a 60 x 30 garden originally. Now it's about the size of the bed of my pickup truck. In fact a wee bit smaller. It's now the size of a grocery sack that hold my vegetables, which sit in bed of my truck as I drive away from the local farmer's market. :)
 
Living in Texas...you'd be surprised how many people here would like to see government install a very long, densely populated landmine field than runs from Texas to Southern California.

I'm not one of those people, by the way.
 
Removable Mind said:
Living in Texas...you'd be surprised how many people here would like to see government install a very long, densely populated landmine field than runs from Texas to Southern California.

I'm not one of those people, by the way.
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That could be a really good reality show... watching the attempt to cross.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Would we also be watching Americans letting crops rot in the fields for lack of labor to harvest them?
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There are millions of legal migrants for that... and Americans used to do that quite nicely. Besides... watching crops rot would not be exciting. Time lapsed? Maybe.
 
Carjosse said:
Why does no one ever propose this? Replace Homeland Security (or whoever guards the Southern border) and ICE with the National Guard or the Army; all new recruits would be required to protect the border for a period of time. Fortify and secure the border and no one would even think of crossing because even if they get over that wall they will have guns pointing at them from the other side. It worked well for Austria until they joined the Schengen area. I'm not just talking about building a taller wall but complete militarization of the border. It solves your illegal immigration issue for sure and will greatly reduce trafficking of all kinds across the border. What do you Americans think especially those who live near the border?
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We had it set up like that for a while here in AZ. The National Guard would set up observation points and call the Border Patrol when they spotted someone. The Guard guys weren't allowed to contact any of the crossers. It worked really well until one of the OP's got shot at and they pulled the plug on the program.

One of the other problems we have is that a lot of the border is private property so you'd need special permission to cover those areas.
 
What if the government simply poisoned the Mexican water supply?

Elegance doesn't cover it.
 
Goshin said:
Be tricky; not sure exactly how Posse Comitatus might apply.
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Posse Comitatus is pretty much irrelevant these days, now that many policing agencies, both federal and local, are damn near their own small militaries.

Might get messy too. Military is for killing people and breaking stuff.
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Not necessarily. When I was stationed in South Korea, the bulk of stuff we did was humanitarian. The National Guard is pretty much just humanitarian aid and disaster relief when they aren't deployed.

To answer the poll question, I think a healthy balance can be achieved, but the agents on the border have to be allowed to do their jobs.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Would we also be watching Americans letting crops rot in the fields for lack of labor to harvest them?
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It's interesting that you bring up labor, because I'm in California right now, and one of the alternative forms of punishment here (Watsonville) is to send light offenders to the orchards and fields run by private owners to do agricultural work as part of a detox/get your **** straight program. They do the same for recovering addicts in private organizations that help people get over their addictions. It's kind of a win/win scenario, where the agricultural side definitely benefits from free labor (or semi-free, since some also provide housing), and it gives addicts and dumb kids an opportunity to evaluate their lives, and stop doing the dumb crap that got them there.
 
Surtr said:
It's interesting that you bring up labor, because I'm in California right now, and one of the alternative forms of punishment here (Watsonville) is to send light offenders to the orchards and fields run by private owners to do agricultural work as part of a detox/get your **** straight program. They do the same for recovering addicts in private organizations that help people get over their addictions. It's kind of a win/win scenario, where the agricultural side definitely benefits from free labor (or semi-free, since some also provide housing), and it gives addicts and dumb kids an opportunity to evaluate their lives, and stop doing the dumb crap that got them there.
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Work therapy is a great idea, one that should be used more often.
 
Bodhisattva said:
There are millions of legal migrants for that... and Americans used to do that quite nicely. Besides... watching crops rot would not be exciting. Time lapsed? Maybe.
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You would think there would be plenty of labor, what with the illegals who are already here, the legitimate immigrants, and the out of work Americans, but the growers insist that they couldn't get the crops in without the illegals.
 
NoC_T said:
Aye. Gotta be tough work crossing that river.
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Was thinking picking vegetables out in the hot sun 12 hours a day.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Would we also be watching Americans letting crops rot in the fields for lack of labor to harvest them?
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not true, I worked in those fields before any Hispanics were scene. If the farmers paid people what they do these people, they would have no trouble finding help in today's economy
 
Dittohead not! said:
You would think there would be plenty of labor, what with the illegals who are already here, the legitimate immigrants, and the out of work Americans, but the growers insist that they couldn't get the crops in without the illegals.
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Agreed. And American citizens used to wash dishes in restaurants, my dad did. A white guy. Can you believe that ****!!

All the pro-illegal crowds would have you believe that Sizzler, the Claim Jumper, California Pizza Kitchen, etc would all shut down if it wasn't for Mexicans saving us.
 
We should arm the Southern Border... Apaches will make short work of coyotes...
 
Carjosse said:
Why does no one ever propose this? Replace Homeland Security (or whoever guards the Southern border) and ICE with the National Guard or the Army; all new recruits would be required to protect the border for a period of time. Fortify and secure the border and no one would even think of crossing because even if they get over that wall they will have guns pointing at them from the other side. It worked well for Austria until they joined the Schengen area. I'm not just talking about building a taller wall but complete militarization of the border. It solves your illegal immigration issue for sure and will greatly reduce trafficking of all kinds across the border. What do you Americans think especially those who live near the border?
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Wouldn't it just be easier to Nuke'em? The Cartel is a little like ISIS. They aren't going away, willingly. They'll figure out ways. They can probably afford stealth technology for planes by now...along with submarines. Soooo?

Here's a real issue for me...as a Texan.

Both Perry and Obama have the authority to deploy National Guard troops, but whoever authorizes it has to pay for it. The deployment at Perry's direction means Texas will have to pick up the price tag of $12 million per month.
 
Goshin said:
Be tricky; not sure exactly how Posse Comitatus might apply.



Might get messy too. Military is for killing people and breaking stuff.
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Not tricky at all. They kill people trying to invade and break their things.
 
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