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Would You Support Militarizing The Border With Mexico?

Would You Support Militarizing The Mexican Border?

  • Yes

    Votes: 52 45.6%

  • Some Measures

    Votes: 15 13.2%

  • No

    Votes: 47 41.2%
  • Total voters
    114
Mason66 said:
That is mostly a tourist area.

If you go to the capital, the population is required to buy a new car every three years.

When your car gets to be three years old, they allow you to drive it only 6 days a week.

If you want to get to work every day, you have to have a new car every three years.

There are more new cars sold in the capital, which is D.F., that babies are born.

Anybody that has been to any of Mexico's big cities knows Mexico is not a third world country.
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Then why is it that people desperate to make a living stream across our borders to pick fruit and make motel beds?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Imperialism was tried back in the 19th. century. It didn't work out so well for the imperialists nor for the nations in their empires.
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You don't force the issue. You make an invitation and the reasons why it would be a good idea. It would be a charm offensive.
 
PirateMk1 said:
You don't force the issue. You make an invitation and the reasons why it would be a good idea. It would be a charm offensive.
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I can see where that might work with the Mexicans, as a large percentage of them seem to want to come to the US anyway. Canadians? Why on Earth would the Canadians ever want to join with the USA?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Would we also be watching Americans letting crops rot in the fields for lack of labor to harvest them?
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I call bull****. I live in kern county. In the Farming and AG community. Right now the lack of labor is not the problem. Its lack of water. Even if the farmers had water their crops would get out of the ground just fine, they would have to pay more to do it if there was a labor shortage. They cant get workers AT THIER price in a labor shortage. They want their crops picked then pay more. The only reason their crops would remain in the ground would be because the farmer let them stay there.
 
I say if Mexican's want to come here and work then I say let em through
seems now a days, American's would rather hold out for the fantasy jobs
they aren't qualified for...while south american's are willing to start at
the very bottom and work their way to the top
 
PirateMk1 said:
I call bull****. I live in kern county. In the Farming and AG community. Right now the lack of labor is not the problem. Its lack of water. Even if the farmers had water their crops would get out of the ground just fine, they would have to pay more to do it if there was a labor shortage. They cant get workers AT THIER price in a labor shortage. They want their crops picked then pay more. The only reason their crops would remain in the ground would be because the farmer let them stay there.
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I live in Fresno County. We're practically neighbors.

So, you don't buy the farmers' contention that they can't harvest the crops without illegal labor? I've argued that point before, and said the same thing you just did.

We used to harvest our crops without illegal labor, but then, it wasn't quite so easy to sit back and not work at all at that time.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I can see where that might work with the Mexicans, as a large percentage of them seem to want to come to the US anyway. Canadians? Why on Earth would the Canadians ever want to join with the USA?
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Who cares if they join or not. Maybe they decide to join later if we succeed in having the rest of the western hemisphere join as states of the union. A united hemisphere might be something they desire later.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Who cares if they join or not. Maybe they decide to join later if we succeed in having the rest of the western hemisphere join as states of the union. A united hemisphere might be something they desire later.
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Anything is possible, but some things are highly unlikely. I find that one highly unlikely to the extreme.
 
gdgyva said:
we will still need border control

even if we fix the visa/immigration issues, and more people get to come legally....

there will need to be limits set.....and it still wont be enough for some

so people will still try and cross illegally......

no one wants to wait for anything anymore.....

it is a "give it to me now generation......"

we cant fix the world and all of the problems it has.....

hell, we cant even feed, house, and clothe the ones here already

so yes....we will need border control , and militarization of the border
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None of that requires militarization of the border. In fact, money used to militarize the border could instead be used to "feed, house, and clothe the people already here."
 
What a horrifically bad idea, we might as well go back to the moat idea filled with gators inside and mines on each shore.
 
Carjosse said:
Why does no one ever propose this? Replace Homeland Security (or whoever guards the Southern border) and ICE with the National Guard or the Army; all new recruits would be required to protect the border for a period of time. Fortify and secure the border and no one would even think of crossing because even if they get over that wall they will have guns pointing at them from the other side. It worked well for Austria until they joined the Schengen area. I'm not just talking about building a taller wall but complete militarization of the border. It solves your illegal immigration issue for sure and will greatly reduce trafficking of all kinds across the border. What do you Americans think especially those who live near the border?
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A militarized border has no place in a free country. Period. End of story. Strong no from me.
 
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Mason66 said:
That is mostly a tourist area.

If you go to the capital, the population is required to buy a new car every three years.

When your car gets to be three years old, they allow you to drive it only 6 days a week.

If you want to get to work every day, you have to have a new car every three years.

There are more new cars sold in the capital, which is D.F., that babies are born.

Anybody that has been to any of Mexico's big cities knows Mexico is not a third world country.
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It was my first time there and I was pretty surprised. As an FYI, we drove 20 minutes into the county away from the touristy areas, resorts and all where the regular people live. Seeing the neighborhoods, shopping centers, kids playing baseball at the park, etc. is what really surprised me.
 
Lakryte said:
None of that requires militarization of the border. In fact, money used to militarize the border could instead be used to "feed, house, and clothe the people already here."
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That would result in the creation of mass dependency and an increase influx of immigrants from abroad.

You can have an open borders immigration policy. And you can have a generous social safety net. But you cannot have both.




More realistically, we just spent the last decade or so painfully learning a lot of counterinsurgency lessons really well. Why don't we employ them south of the border against the Narco's?
 
TeleKat said:
A militarized border has no place in a free country. Period. End of story. Strong no from me.
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Ah. So it is your opinion that South Korea would be freer if they were to allow North Korea to dominate them? Western Germany would have been freer under the Soviets. If India were to just allow China and Pakistan to carve up sections of it's territory - think of all the freedom their citizens could have trading democracy for sclerotic semi-regular military coups and corporatist autocratic socialist tyrants!

Yeah. That makes sense. :)
 
Smeagol said:
It was my first time there and I was pretty surprised. As an FYI, we drove 20 minutes into the county away from the touristy areas, resorts and all where the regular people live. Seeing the neighborhoods, shopping centers, kids playing baseball at the park, etc. is what really surprised me.
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That is not the Mexico you see in the news or in any movie or on TV.

They only show a man in a huge sombrero sitting on his porch taking a nap, and dirt streets.
 
cpwill said:
Ah. So it is your opinion that South Korea would be freer if they were to allow North Korea to dominate them? Western Germany would have been freer under the Soviets. If India were to just allow China and Pakistan to carve up sections of it's territory - think of all the freedom their citizens could have trading democracy for sclerotic semi-regular military coups and corporatist autocratic socialist tyrants!

Yeah. That makes sense. :)
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TeleKat said:
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:) Fallacy Identification Fail. You stated:

TeleKat said:
A militarized border has no place in a free country. Period. End of story.
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Examples of where militarized borders have, in fact, a very important place in free countries (ie: helping them to maintain that status) are rather germane to that claim :) Even if presented sarcastically ;)
 
Mexico is not North Korea, nor is it East Germany, nor is it a modern nation filled with middle class people living the good life. It is a largely poverty ridden place with little opportunity for upward mobility. Therefore, we have desperately poor people willing to risk what little property they have, and their lives as well, to enter "El Norte", where a day's wages can be earned in an hour. Who can blame them? I'd do the same in their position.

So, let's enforce the law against hiring illegals, and make it possible for a limited number of people who have no criminal backgrounds to come here and work legally. Why don't we?

Personally, I believe it is because the large political donors want the illegals to stay illegal and therefore more compliant. My opinion.

Moreover, we have a strong public demand for substances that the federal government has banned. Therefore, we have people working against our laws and those of Mexico to export those substances for high profits. Were those substances to be no longer banned, the profits would no longer be great enough for the cartels to exist. We don't see them killing each other for the privilege of selling tobacco, do we? Were we to ban that substance, there would be a huge criminal enterprise dedicated to producing and distributing tobacco, just as we do cocaine and marijuana.

So, we could reform immigration policies, enforce the laws, and legalize drugs. That should take care of at least 99% of the illegal activity on the border.

Or, we could build a DMZ, just like the one that separates the two Koreas. We'll just pass a surtax to pay for it, or maybe put it on the national MasterCard. yeah, that's the ticket, yeah.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Na. Ill rather not look like the Berlin Wall.
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Bad comparison. The Berlin wall was made for the specific purpose of restricting all movement. A wall on our border wouldn't be meant to restrict all movement as there would certainly be entry points along the wall that people could legitimately pass through. A wall along our border is meant to stop ONLY illegal activity. The Great Wall of China would be a more apt description.
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, let's enforce the law against hiring illegals, and make it possible for a limited number of people who have no criminal backgrounds to come here and work legally. Why don't we?
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We already have a legal way for people to enter the country legally and work. We even have work sponsor programs where business owners can request a work visa on behalf of people they want to employ.
 
Militarize the southern border?

Not yes but HELL YES!!!
 
Kal'Stang said:
We already have a legal way for people to enter the country legally and work. We even have work sponsor programs where business owners can request a work visa on behalf of people they want to employ.
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Really?
If all that works as designed, then there is no need to hire illegals, is there? Let's fine the crap out of people who do, then.
 
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