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Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 45.2%

  • No

    Votes: 34 54.8%
  • Total voters
    62
code1211 said:
That would be interesting to see how this separation would impact Benedictine Nuns or Franciscan Priests teaching classes.
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Yes, I suppose it would.

But, we can have religious people (part time pastors and the like) teaching in the public schools now, they just can't indoctrinate their students.
 
Perotista said:
Good for you, when did you retire? I retired in 1986 which seems like eon's ago.
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1998, "retire" being the figurative term. Hard to support a family on a Chief's retirement, but that's not what it is intended to do. I have a new career with a retirement package and now that the kids are out of college** most of my military retirement is going into a 401K/403B account for later years.


**Actually one is still in school, she's first year law at UVA and hopes to make it into the JAG - but that's on her dime. :)


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Gipper said:
I hear you, and I agree. I've always made exceptions to those 3 fields: math, science, and sped. Those do have shortages, and I'm more than willing to raise salaries of teachers for these subjects.

As to whether the union would allow it, I have no idea. A union is the most anti-meritocratic organization possible.
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What you're suggesting is not merit pay, but market pay.
It might be possible to get the unions to compromise on that issue, maybe.
 
Gipper said:
I hear you, and I agree. I've always made exceptions to those 3 fields: math, science, and sped. Those do have shortages, and I'm more than willing to raise salaries of teachers for these subjects.

As to whether the union would allow it, I have no idea. A union is the most anti-meritocratic organization possible.
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We don't have teacher unions here in Virginia that have anything to do with it.


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WorldWatcher said:
1998, "retire" being the figurative term. Hard to support a family on a Chief's retirement, but that's not what it is intended to do. I have a new career with a retirement package and now that the kids are out of college** most of my military retirement is going into a 401K/403B account for later years.


**Actually one is still in school, she's first year law at UVA and hopes to make it into the JAG - but that's on her dime. :)


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I know what you mean about the pay. I retired in 86 and then two weeks later I was right back to work for the Army as a DA Civilian. None of my kids followed me into the army/military but one of my grandson's has.
 
I have a couple of friends I knew in highschool that teach. They are superb teachers and love teaching. They are also getting their masters and angling for administration positions because that's the only way to make decent money.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Yes, I suppose it would.

But, we can have religious people (part time pastors and the like) teaching in the public schools now, they just can't indoctrinate their students.
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Does that mean you would take Sister Mary Margaret's ruler away?

In a cage match, she'd wipe the floor with any wrestler I've ever seen. She was like a samurai with that bugger.
 
iliveonramen said:
I have a couple of friends I knew in highschool that teach. They are superb teachers and love teaching. They are also getting their masters and angling for administration positions because that's the only way to make decent money.
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The main reason for that is because if they ever quit, there are 500 resumes on the superintendent's desk.

When I walked for my MBA, I was stunned at how many in the crowd of caps and gowns were education majors.
 
Gipper said:
The main reason for that is because if they ever quit, there are 500 resumes on the superintendent's desk.

When I walked for my MBA, I was stunned at how many in the crowd of caps and gowns were education majors.
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The supply of teachers is cyclical. When I started out, back in '66, there was a severe shortage, which was a good thing from my point of view. Now, there are more teachers than jobs. There have been several shortages and over supplies over the years.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The supply of teachers is cyclical. When I started out, back in '66, there was a severe shortage, which was a good thing from my point of view. Now, there are more teachers than jobs. There have been several shortages and over supplies over the years.
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Other than the subjects mentioned above, I can't remember the last teacher shortage.

As long as some emotionally stunted 22 year old blonde wants to live vicariously through her alma mater, you'll have a grade school teacher waiting.
 
Gipper said:
Other than the subjects mentioned above, I can't remember the last teacher shortage.

As long as some emotionally stunted 22 year old blonde wants to live vicariously through her alma mater, you'll have a grade school teacher waiting.
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if that's the kind of teacher the school wants to hire, sure.
 
that's cause the pay sucks so bad.Oh yea, one of my favorite bartenders is an elementary teacher with a masters degree.
Gipper said:
Sorry, but the brightest minds don't go into teaching - at least not at the primary level.

I know this rubs some people wrong, but I don't sugar-coat.
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Gipper said:
Sorry, but the brightest minds don't go into teaching - at least not at the primary level.

I know this rubs some people wrong, but I don't sugar-coat.
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That's your unsupported opinion, nothing more.
 
mak2 said:
that's cause the pay sucks so bad.
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1. I'm good with the monetary pay not being great. Teachers get non-monetary pay as well. Discounts, adulation, and a general populace that think they walk on frickin' water.

2. There are so many of them. Sorry if I don't think that their pay should defy market forces.

3. The job is easy. The educational requirements are minimal, they get absurd amounts of time off, and ridiculous other perks that you won't find elsewhere in the professional world.

Pretty soon, lawyers are going to start bitching about low pay because this nation is getting saturated with them. At that point, maybe they'll go do something less...greasy.
 
It does impact the person you can attract and maintain at that job. It does not necessarily, however, immensely influence the output of the students. We have a problem getting intellectually curious educators due to low salaries and less than desirable social expectations, in addition to the frequently difficult attempt to measurably improve the measured outcome of students. Getting highly qualified instructors (and I mean that in a different sense in comparison to current regulations) and paying them a decent wage does not mean you are going to statistically improve our measured examinations. For that matter, I side with those that say there is likely little you can do to systematically raise the entire student body's measured outcomes.
 
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Zariak said:
I'm personally disappointed with how much our educators make. IMO, they should be starting at around 100K salaries, with the due education, of course.

But, there's always the nagging thought in my head that tells me there might not even be any correlation between education quality and teacher pay.

I think we can all agree that our education system needs fixing. What do you think?
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Generally any job where pay scales to performance generates a greater effort on the part of employees, which would make you think that any organization private or public would gladly incorporate this into their business model -- however, an elaborate science exists which aims to structure the business so that performance peaks while wages drop. The method is applied against many stretches of the public sector, education included.
 
Rocketman said:
I voted no, but if teacher unions were broke up and all were paid on a performance scale I might have voted yes
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Please explain how the student's aptitude for learning and/or his or her desire to learn has anything to do with and thereby should be considered the predicate for, compensation of the teacher?
 
Gipper said:
3. The job is easy. The educational requirements are minimal, they get absurd amounts of time off, and ridiculous other perks that you won't find elsewhere in the professional world.
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You obviously have no clue at all, none whatsoever, just what it takes to be a successful teacher.
 
Dittohead not! said:
You obviously have no clue at all, none whatsoever, just what it takes to be a successful teacher.
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I'm not going to dramatically reject the claim about the intellectual rigor of a candidate's background. What I would object to is the notion that pedagogy is somehow easy. It's not. It's something that I respectfully admit is a very difficult subject. Nevertheless, I would suggest that I was not always impressed with what was required to acquire content knowledge per subject.

The rest, yeah, it's usually not worth rebutting because it's more populist mumbo-jumbo.
 
I voted no, though i do support a better pay for teachers overall. But i agree with other posters before, that will not necessarily increase quality of education.
Overall education funding is suffering, with teachers not even having resources for copies etc. available in certain examples.
That lack of funding definitely hurts teachers salary as well, and a lack of competitive pay does not attract enough into this profession, even if they would be good at their job and working with enthusiasm.
 
Fiddytree said:
I'm not going to dramatically reject the claim about the intellectual rigor of a candidate's background. What I would object to is the notion that pedagogy is somehow easy. It's not. It's something that I respectfully admit is a very difficult subject. Nevertheless, I would suggest that I was not always impressed with what was required to acquire content knowledge per subject.

The rest, yeah, it's usually not worth rebutting because it's more populist mumbo-jumbo.
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Populist? If anything, my opinions are anti-populist.

Go up to any average Joe and say the word "teacher". They'll give you a look that suggests you said "warm apple pie".
 
FederalRepublic said:
That's not true at all. I know plenty of people who keep the jobs they have rather than going out to look for something that pays better. In fact, that describes most people I know.
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Really? I don't know anyone like that. :shrug:
 
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