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What is your favorite argument against higher taxes?

What is your favorite argument against higher taxes?

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Buck Ewer said:
Yes, fewer essential services. What "babies" are you referring to?
I'm beginning to think you may be drunk.
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Drunk? No. Annoyed? Yes. Your arguments are annoying and frankly fallacious. You are considering things as essential that are not.
 
Grand Mal said:
I didn't vote. I'm not against higher taxes. Where I live the 'no taxes' mantra has led to kids selling chocolates in the neighbourhood so they can have band instruments in their school and to hours-long waits in local hospital ER's.
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Ummm, those things have been happening for 30-40 years now.
 
Henrin said:
Makes no difference. The service provided is the same and therefore valued the same across the board. You can't just make up your own rules for government as if it's consistent and meaningful. There is no reason prices should be regressive in the market and not in government. It's services provided and services paid for in both places and therefore warrants the same treatment. The world is regressive and it's actually fair that way.



So the civic responsibilities should be unequal? Do you even realize that is what you just said?

Btw, you do realize profits are taxed, right?
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The government is not the market place. The market place is based on uncivilized greed. The government is not a business.
Government is civilization. Civilization is for the benefit of all ... including the wealthy.
Until you realize that fact, your greed will always make more sense to you.
 
Grand Mal said:
I didn't vote. I'm not against higher taxes. Where I live the 'no taxes' mantra has led to kids selling chocolates in the neighbourhood so they can have band instruments in their school and to hours-long waits in local hospital ER's.
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I see nothing wrong with kids doing some work to pay for their band instruments. All I ask is that they don't try to sell me popcorn like the scouts. Ewww. I'm an eagle scout, so I buy the stuff, but damn, really?
 
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Buck Ewer said:
The government is not the market place. The market place is based on uncivilized greed. The government is not a business.
Government is civilization. Civilization is for the benefit of all ... including the wealthy.
Until you realize that fact, your greed will always make more sense to you.
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The market is not based on uncivilized greed. I thought you understand the basics of economics.

Having the government treat people equally is to the benefit of all citizens.
 
Henrin said:
You are considering things as essential that are not.
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That talks more about your point of view than reality. If you have three cars in your driveway the bus service is always going to be non-essential to you. If you have the ability to buy good health insurance the free clinic or the ACA is non-essential to you . If you have never been hungry or had to make a choice between paying rent and buying food, then food assistance programs are non-essential. If you can afford to send your kids to private school then public education looks pretty non-essential. If you have a great IRA stashed away then social security and medicare will always be non-essential to your retirement.
I guess it comes down to how "civilized" you want the country you live in to be... regardless of your point of view.
 
Buck Ewer said:
That talks more about your point of view than reality. If you have three cars in your driveway the bus service is always going to be non-essential to you. If you have the ability to buy good health insurance the free clinic or the ACA is non-essential to you . If you have never been hungry or had to make a choice between paying rent and buying food, then food assistance programs are non-essential. If you can afford to send your kids to private school then public education looks pretty non-essential. If you have a great IRA stashed away then social security and medicare will always be non-essential to your retirement.
I guess it comes down to how "civilized" you want the country you live in to be... regardless of your point of view.
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None of which are essential to be provided and all of which make the country uncivilized.
 
Henrin said:
The market is not based on uncivilized greed. I thought you understand the basics of economics.
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If the market place is not motivated by greed, then you tell me what does motivate it?
Altruism? Fair play? Love of mankind? Peace love and understanding? Brotherhood?
HA!
 
Buck Ewer said:
If the market place is not motivated by greed, then you tell me what does motivate it?
Altruism? Fair play? Love of mankind? Peace love and understanding? Brotherhood?
HA!
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What people are motivated by and what the market itself is based on are different things.
 
Buck Ewer said:
If the market place is not motivated by greed, then you tell me what does motivate it?
Altruism? Fair play? Love of mankind? Peace love and understanding? Brotherhood?
HA!
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Unbelieveable.

Non-victims understand the market place is motivated by a desire to survive and prosper.
 
Buck Ewer said:
By making more money that the next guy.
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Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Is the plumber greedy? The cobbler? The market place exists to fullfill demand for products and services. That's pretty basic stuff.

Do you think the Billionaires behind the Progressive Machine you belong to reinvigorated the movement because of some altruistic desire for mankind?

Do you think George Soros, or Drummond Pike, or Peter Lewis have your best interests in mind when they feed you all the Progressive Propoganda you hang on to?
 
Henrin said:
What people are motivated by and what the market itself is based on are different things.
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The marketplace is an activity. Activities are based on motivations.
Why would I want to sell something if not for self interested financial gain?
 
I think the most important argument against the current tax system is that a tax system that allows politicians to pander to a majority of voters (and thus win elections) by promising the masses more and more spending while only seeking tax increases on the top few percent results in an addiction to spending by both the pimps in office and the voters

when most voters do not get adequate feedback of the cost of government, the masses do not really care about reining in government spending
 
Buck Ewer said:
That is really twisted immoral logic.
I believe you know that, but you are just trying to make a self interested point.
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socialists always want to claim its immoral for those who can provide for themselves to not want to be forced to provide for those who are unable-or in many cases-unwilling-to provide for themselves when the real immorality is for politicians to buy the votes of their supporters with the money taken from others
 
ocean515 said:
The market place exists to fullfill demand for products and services. That's pretty basic stuff.
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That is the function of the market place in society, not the motivation.

ocean515 said:
Do you think the Billionaires behind the Progressive Machine you belong to reinvigorated the movement because of some altruistic desire for mankind?
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Do you think that is what motivates the Walton family or the Koch brothers?
 
Henrin said:
Fewer essential services? What? I think you meant to say "all my babies would no longer get funding".
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progressives never deal with the pandering angle. the left wins elections by promising people goodies paid for by other people. The left has absolutely no incentive to cut spending because that cuts their ability to win elections.
 
TurtleDude said:
socialists always want to claim its immoral for those who can provide for themselves to not want to be forced to provide for those who are unable-or in many cases-unwilling-to provide for themselves when the real immorality is for politicians to buy the votes of their supporters with the money taken from others
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Yeah ... I'm sure Jesus taught us that lesson.
 
Buck Ewer said:
Yeah ... I'm sure Jesus taught us that lesson.
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Jesus has no relevance to this argument. Parasitic politicians basking in phony altruism that others are forced to pay for are a cancer on society. So are the greedy parasites who whine about NEEDING handouts and damn those of us who are net tax payers for not wanting to pay even more.
 
Buck Ewer said:
That is the function of the market place in society, not the motivation.


Do you think that is what motivates the Walton family or the Koch brothers?
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No, that is just what you've been taught to believe. The motivation is is to survive and prosper. Such a basic human quality takes many forms. It's obvious which form it takes in Progressives.

As to the Waltons on the Kochs, I absolutely think this is what motivates them. Why wouldn't it?

What do you think motivates Peter Lewis? How about George Soros? What of Drummond Pike, or Wallis Annnennberg? What do you think motivates these billionaires who live exclusive lives, and whos actions have harmed so many? Do they get a pass because they head your movement?
 
TurtleDude said:
progressives never deal with the pandering angle. the left wins elections by promising people goodies paid for by other people. The left has absolutely no incentive to cut spending because that cuts their ability to win elections.
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republicons never deal with the pandering angle. the right wins elections by promising corporations goodies paid for by other people. The right has absolutely no incentive to cut spending because that cuts their ability to win elections.
 
ocean515 said:
No, that is just what you've been taught to believe. The motivation is is to survive and prosper. Such a basic human quality takes many forms. It's obvious which form it takes in Progressives.

As to the Waltons on the Kochs, I absolutely think this is what motivates them. Why wouldn't it?

What do you think motivates Peter Lewis? How about George Soros? What of Drummond Pike, or Wallis Annnennberg? What do you think motivates these billionaires who live exclusive lives, and whos actions have harmed so many? Do they get a pass because they head your movement?
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Self interested financial gain and altruistic concerns are not necessarily mutually exclusive character attributes. They obviously CAN be exclusive of one another when we examine the actions of the Kochs or the Waltons...But people like Bill and Melinda Gates show us that the motivation of greed and the motivation of altruism can, and do, exist within the same personality. No one in the market place has ever been more ruthless than Bill Gates and very very few have been so giving to mankind.
 
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