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When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

  • As soon as possible. There are many people that shouldn't be having kids.

    Votes: 7 63.6%

  • Within 50 years. We're not quite ready but we are almost there.

    Votes: 1 9.1%

  • 51-200 years. Some people are so stupid that they think aborition is wrong.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 201-1000 years. This is the most advanced dream of abortionist. It takes lots of time.

    Votes: 3 27.3%
  • Total voters
    11
  • Poll closed .
The Mark said:
I could just pay the fine instead. Apparently it will be subtracted from my refund.
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Fines are imposed on those who break the law when it is too impractical to imprison people. Breaking the law is breaking the law. A small penalty doesn't mean it's legal.
 
Dittohead not! said:
OMG! They're out to get us! Run for your lives!
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An informed public cannot be enslaved. Murder is wrong. Sure you can make exceptions but we still have to use our brains. A brainless society demands to be controlled by the intellectual class.

Murder is wrong but killing babies isn't murder.

That lack of logic opens a lot of doors for what ifs. Maybe it's ok to kill a bad guy. Maybe it's ok to kill my husband who beats me. Maybe it's ok to kill my daughter when she refuses to eat her vegetables. A society that doesn't know right from wrong demands government control. There are lots of intelligent people that are salivating for that kind of control and they know exactly how to obtain it.

You can't stop your neighbor from being morally confused but you can do your part. Don't preach that murder is ok. Some people might believe it and won't stop at the baby in their womb. You could be their first victim. Don't open more doors.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
Fines are imposed on those who break the law when it is too impractical to imprison people. Breaking the law is breaking the law. A small penalty doesn't mean it's legal.
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What he said ^

I called it a fine, but it's actually a tax - the "he doesn't have health insurance" tax.

I heard/read somewhere that for some reason they cannot actually collect said tax - only deduct it from your refund. Sounds like iffy information though...
 
vasuderatorrent said:
An informed public cannot be enslaved. Murder is wrong. Sure you can make exceptions but we still have to use our brains. A brainless society demands to be controlled by the intellectual class.

Murder is wrong but killing babies isn't murder.

That lack of logic opens a lot of doors for what ifs. Maybe it's ok to kill a bad guy. Maybe it's ok to kill my husband who beats me. Maybe it's ok to kill my daughter when she refuses to eat her vegetables. A society that doesn't know right from wrong demands government control. There are lots of intelligent people that are salivating for that kind of control and they know exactly how to obtain it.

You can't stop your neighbor from being morally confused but you can do your part. Don't preach that murder is ok.
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Abortions have been going on for millennia. They're just safer now, and people are more aware of them.

Take away the option for safe abortions, and unsafe abortions will occur. You can't stop it. No one can stop it.


Well, maybe if some charity teamed up with a few mad scientists and created an artificial womb system, so they could raise all otherwise aborted children...
 
The Mark said:
Take away the option for safe abortions, and unsafe abortions will occur. You can't stop it. No one can stop it...
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I'd rather be disgusted by illegal abortions than be disgusted by legal abortions.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
I'd rather be disgusted by illegal abortions than be disgusted by legal abortions.
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You don't realize what you're saying.

What you're supporting would lead to dead and very sick women all over the country. Far better to have legal abortion.

Not even getting into the whole "rights" bit....

Sure, you could argue the unborn child's rights are being violated.

There's really no one good answer to this whole debate, IMO. Both sides are right, in some ways.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
An informed public cannot be enslaved. Murder is wrong. Sure you can make exceptions but we still have to use our brains. A brainless society demands to be controlled by the intellectual class.

Murder is wrong but killing babies isn't murder.

That lack of logic opens a lot of doors for what ifs. Maybe it's ok to kill a bad guy. Maybe it's ok to kill my husband who beats me. Maybe it's ok to kill my daughter when she refuses to eat her vegetables. A society that doesn't know right from wrong demands government control. There are lots of intelligent people that are salivating for that kind of control and they know exactly how to obtain it.

You can't stop your neighbor from being morally confused but you can do your part. Don't preach that murder is ok. Some people might believe it and won't stop at the baby in their womb. You could be their first victim. Don't open more doors.
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A zygote is not a baby.
 
The Mark said:
You don't realize what you're saying.

What you're supporting would lead to dead and very sick women all over the country. Far better to have legal abortion.

Not even getting into the whole "rights" bit....

Sure, you could argue the unborn child's rights are being violated.

There's really no one good answer to this whole debate, IMO. Both sides are right, in some ways.
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There is no legitimate debate. It has already been decided. Abortion has been legal in the United States for exactly 40 years. It isn't going to change. It's just fun to remind disgusting people just how disgusting they are. Wouldn't you agree?

If the government can't punish a woman for killing her baby. I can at least make her feel like scum for the rest of her life. That's fun. Wouldn't you agree?
 
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Dittohead not! said:
I'd rather not be disgusted by people imposing their moral values on the rest of society by force of law.
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That's completely goofy. If all people were moral there would be no need for a government.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
There is no legitimate debate. It has already been decided. Abortion has been legal in the United States for exactly 40 years. It isn't going to change. It's just fun to remind disgusting people just how disgusting they are. Wouldn't you agree?

If the government can't punish a woman for killing her baby. I can't at least make her feel like scum for the rest of her life. That's fun. Wouldn't you agree?
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My ass there's no debate.

I would bet that on any given day here on DP, not to mention the internet in general, the topic of "should abortions be legal", or "should abortions be as legal as they are" will show up in some form at least 10 times.

It may be legal, but people are still debating it.

I dislike the necessity of abortions, personally. I think all abortions except those early in the pregnancy should be illegal, except in situations wherein the mother's life is in danger. No late-term abortions, IOW.
 
The Mark said:
My ass there's no debate.

I would bet that on any given day here on DP, not to mention the internet in general, the topic of "should abortions be legal", or "should abortions be as legal as they are" will show up in some form at least 10 times.

It may be legal, but people are still debating it.

I dislike the necessity of abortions, personally. I think all abortions except those early in the pregnancy should be illegal, except in situations wherein the mother's life is in danger. No late-term abortions, IOW.
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Key word is legitimate. It's debated for fun. It isn't debated for results. Look at the results of this poll. It's pretty much a shut out. Abortionists win.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
Key word is legitimate. It's debated for fun. It isn't debated for results.
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I would also bet that some of those debating it are extremely serious, and not debating for fun.
 
There's no choice for "When vasudatorrent makes an honest post in this thread (ie never)"
 
The Mark said:
I would also bet that some of those debating it are extremely serious, and not debating for fun.
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They need to see the results of my poll. We are outnumbered by the pro-death/pro-choice crowd. This debate is as dead as an aborted fetus. Some women may be crying over the baby she killed 40 years later. I suppose it's fitting to be crying over the loss of a political debate for 40 years. :confused: :confused:
 
vasuderatorrent said:
That's completely goofy. If all people were moral there would be no need for a government.
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You mean if everyone shared your moral values, which they don't. Imposing your moral values on the rest of society by force of law is what is wrong, morally that is.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
It's unfortunate that you are confused but it isn't necessary to spread the message. My neighbor looks a lot like a zygote. Then what? Is it ok to kill him?
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LOL! I'd like to see that neighbor!

Even if he does look like a zygote, he isn't one, nor is he a baby.
 
Can we please make polls with actual answers and not choices covered in all of the questioners views? I am against abortion but I strongly agree many people should not be parents. This is why the US needs what they have in Finland, a free 8 week mandatory parenting course before the first baby is born.
 
AmazingMeg said:
Can we please make polls with actual answers and not choices covered in all of the questioners views? I am against abortion but I strongly agree many people should not be parents. This is why the US needs what they have in Finland, a free 8 week mandatory parenting course before the first baby is born.
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The winner is, As soon as possible. There are many people that shouldn't be having kids.

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Thank you for your participation.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
Now that the elitist have convinced the American public to accept abortion as a morally reasonable thing to do, the next step is to implement mandatory abortions to those who are unfit to be parents. This was envisioned by Plato as a way to improve the quality of the human species much in the same way that cattle are bred to improve the heard.

The question I have to ask is: When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

vasuderatorrent

Below is a quote from Book V of Plato's Republic
Unsolicited Commentary: Plato’s Republic: Book Five

"The second wave regarded the communal rearing of children, closely linked to the breeding of the females by only the best men. Socrates was intent upon destroying any bond that might develop except the bonds of a person to their community. The greatest evil was that which caused factions (462b). To this end he erased the family from the lives of the guardians and auxiliaries. No marriages were to be allowed. The best warriors would be directed to mate periodically with the women and the children of those unions would be raised collectively. Not even the mother would know who her offspring were. Socrates goes so far as to insist that this is the most natural way for our best men and women to procreate and exist together. It is not unlike the fighting dogs or game cocks which Glaucon raises at his home 459a).

It is hard to imagine how this relates to the soul of a human except that, perhaps, we should look closely at the relationships to which we cling. In this light, the argument that the offspring of unwarranted intercourse should be aborted is not quite so hideous."
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I'm sorry but this is just wrong. you want us to implement a law that says i can murder your child because it think you'll be a bad parent. Who are you to decide who lives and who dies. you got kids? how bout nephews and nieces? how would you feel if some old rich guy whos never met you decided that it was OK to butcher them like animals. its just disgusting. Save the mothers life i can understand. the child will be born in utter and complete pain and live that way for how ever long it would live, that i can understand. But mandatory because we assume you'll be a bad parent. hell no. This happens, im marching on Washington, and not picket signs at my side.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
The winner is, As soon as possible. There are many people that shouldn't be having kids.

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Thank you for your participation.
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The problem with this is, someone has to decide who they are.

And that is why we can never have such a law.
 
Mandatory abortion and making abortion illegal are two sides of the same coin. Both make the decision one of government, and not of the individual.
 
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