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What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

What should happen for the over 20mph violation example given?

  • Acknowledge the no-traffic and quality of vehicle in consideration.

    Votes: 3 5.6%

  • Severe chastizing but only written warning.

    Votes: 2 3.7%

  • A ticket, but written for under 20 over due to circumstance.

    Votes: 2 3.7%

  • Write a ticket for over 20 mph but under 100 mph

    Votes: 2 3.7%

  • Write a ticket forthe full 170 mph

    Votes: 21 38.9%

  • A huge $$ fine

    Votes: 10 18.5%

  • Permanently seize car and forfeture it.

    Votes: 3 5.6%

  • Jail time

    Votes: 3 5.6%

  • Suspend driver's license for 1 year

    Votes: 7 13.0%

  • Suspend driver's license for years.

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • Total voters
    54
joko104 said:
A highway patrol car on a good condition 4 lane divided highway with a 70 mph speed limit, no other cars on the highway in a remote area picks up a sole car doing 170 mph heading his way on the other side empty and flat open area 2 lanes. A new Corette ZR 1 designed to go 200 mph. When the officer pulls across the center medium, the ZR1 driver (no passenger) pulls over anticipating being stopped.

What should the officer do and what should the penalty be?

Multiple choice, public vote.
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If the driver stops, jail. Felony charge for over 100 miles per hour. The type of car means nothing, its all about the driver.
If the driver drove nothing but a pinto until he could afford his vette. He is not qualified to run those speeds on an open highway.
Even if be pulls out a Salt Lakes comp license or a Super Pro or Pro Mod license from the NHRA it is still not legal and he deserves the harshest penalty the state allows.
 
Mason66 said:
A buddy of mine had a 9 second Barracuda and it takes the smallest of things to put you into the wall with that much power, and he did twice.

I decided 12 seconds is the fastest I want to go in a 1/4 mile.
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I actually just went to englishtown with a busy of mine, and his recently "finished" 88' rustang 5.0. Built motor, from the bottom up, over 8 grand in machine work alone, let alone in components, all said, probably 15 grand sunk in the motor. Rediculously high lift cam, horrible street manners. And a 200 shot of nitrous. On the spray, the car lays down 580 rwhp, which, for some on here, doesn't sound like much...but to have that sort of power to the wheels, he must be making real close to 700hp at the crank. Built tko600 tranny, built ford 9 inch rear end, traction bars, the whole deal. This car took us almost 7 years to build, and a LOT of his money. Car weights 3250 pounds, with him in it. At the track, he ran 275 slicks. Did mid 11 sec passes. Couldn't get traction, with either of us driving. Part of it was body flex, it's just really hard to eliminate in older cars, without going the tube frame rout. We're also going to have to roll the rear fenders so we can safely fit a larger wheel/tire combo, I figure it needs at LEAST 325s. He needs to find a set of 16x10.5 wheels with 4 inch back spacing. He still wants to drive the car on the street, which I won't do (it's a waste of gas, IMO), so he's keeping his 16x8.5s, to run a set of nitto 555s on. Still won't get traction at half throttle with those tires. But whatever.

Last but not least, he needs a good auto tranny, which he is also not going to do, he likes the manual. Will that car ever make a 10 sec pass? Maybe. I don't know.

When I hear kids talking about their 10 second civic or integra, I can't help but laugh. They just have no clue.
 
joko104 said:
A highway patrol car on a good condition 4 lane divided highway with a 70 mph speed limit, no other cars on the highway in a remote area picks up a sole car doing 170 mph heading his way on the other side empty and flat open area 2 lanes. A new Corette ZR 1 designed to go 200 mph. When the officer pulls across the center medium, the ZR1 driver (no passenger) pulls over anticipating being stopped.

What should the officer do and what should the penalty be?
OK, so we have perfect conditions, perfect automobile, perfect driver ( a professional ).
But, in real life, perfection exists not...
A true , adult pro would never do this (170), IMO.
This is a stunt that I would pull , but as a child.....late bloomer....
Punishment ?
One year loss of the "right to drive".
But, its NOT fully a right nor a privilege, its a responsibiliy...IMO

Multiple choice, public vote.
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And a fine of 1% of his annual income ?
 
CRUE CAB said:
And the stock rear would last about 5 passes. Who ever had the idea to put an IRS in those should be shot.
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The new challengers aren't solid axels? Man. I mean, the camaro, I knew about. Just never figured something like that would happen at Chrysler...
 
CRUE CAB said:
Thats called poor suspension set up and or poor driver skills.
Could be bad track prep, but if you can build a 9 second car. You should know the track conditions before running.
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Eh, when you're dealing with the level of power need to get trap speeds in the 150mph range, some pretty knarrly, scary **** can happen...quickly. My friends rustang was well set up by both of us, and another friend who built drag cars for a living. And that thing was a handful, and always will be. I've also driven a ZR1, to be more on topic, and that car is hell on wheels, if you try to go fast in it. It requires complete focus and concentration, 100% of the time, or the rear comes out on you.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Quite

The Nissan GTR with 545 hp, large tires all around, launch control and 4 wheel drive can hit the 1/4 mile in 10.8.

I doubt a Dodge Challenger even with a supercharger is going to be able to hit 10.99 or less
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So the Nissan GTR is over twice the price of the Challenger. With the over 50K difference in price, it would be very easy to spend say 10k for a twin turbo and the nissan will never get near it. A 7 psi supercharger adds over 160 hp, witch pushes it much higher than the GTR. Again, less than 10K.

A fairer comparison cost wise would be a Corvette ZR1, witch, depending on source runs either a 11.0 or a 10.89 1/4 mile and has been tested on skid pad up to 1.13g while a stock GRT is at 1.01 (nissan claims 1.12 but testing elsewhere doesn't get close to that).

The only real advantage of the GTR is all-wheel-drive.

In the end, "there ain't no replacement for displacement"
 
KevinKohler said:
I actually just went to englishtown with a busy of mine, and his recently "finished" 88' rustang 5.0. Built motor, from the bottom up, over 8 grand in machine work alone, let alone in components, all said, probably 15 grand sunk in the motor. Rediculously high lift cam, horrible street manners. And a 200 shot of nitrous. On the spray, the car lays down 580 rwhp, which, for some on here, doesn't sound like much...but to have that sort of power to the wheels, he must be making real close to 700hp at the crank. Built tko600 tranny, built ford 9 inch rear end, traction bars, the whole deal. This car took us almost 7 years to build, and a LOT of his money. Car weights 3250 pounds, with him in it. At the track, he ran 275 slicks. Did mid 11 sec passes. Couldn't get traction, with either of us driving. Part of it was body flex, it's just really hard to eliminate in older cars, without going the tube frame rout. We're also going to have to roll the rear fenders so we can safely fit a larger wheel/tire combo, I figure it needs at LEAST 325s. He needs to find a set of 16x10.5 wheels with 4 inch back spacing. He still wants to drive the car on the street, which I won't do (it's a waste of gas, IMO), so he's keeping his 16x8.5s, to run a set of nitto 555s on. Still won't get traction at half throttle with those tires. But whatever.

Last but not least, he needs a good auto tranny, which he is also not going to do, he likes the manual. Will that car ever make a 10 sec pass? Maybe. I don't know.

When I hear kids talking about their 10 second civic or integra, I can't help but laugh. They just have no clue.
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I think they are using 1/8 mile tracks not 1/4 mile
 
Mason66 said:
We are also afraid of getting sued.
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And a mega jump in insurance premiums... and half a dozen trips to the body shop ... and driving some crappy rent car in the meantime ... and that the paint NEVER really matches so it always LOOKS wrecked .... and the lost value due to CarFax... and... and... and...
 
All factors must be considered...but still a hefty fine and one years loss of the RIGHT to drive.
Perfect conditions exist not...in reality, particularly with the operator...If a professional driver, this would never have happened..
Perhaps 90, for a short stretch, this I have done and I do not feel bad about it..
Driving is both a right and a privilege, primarily a responsibility.
 
Heck, even my car, which is mild by comparison, can trick you if you're not carefull. And it "only" has about 300hp to the wheels...which is less than a new base model vette, less than a new camaro z28, less than an M3, less than a new mustang boss.

And my vette has an after market suspension, massive weight reduction, modern tires, etc.



170mph anywhere public is just stupid, and this is from a guy who has devoted a decent portion of his life to the pursuit of "faster".

If you had said 120, 130, maybe even 140mph on the interstate in that vette, I'd be a lot more understanding. 140 is pushing it...170 is just not giving a **** about anyone around you. At 170mph, even if you manage to miss another car on that road doing 70-80, the air pressure you are creating will darn near push them off the road.
 
KevinKohler said:
The new challengers aren't solid axels? Man. I mean, the camaro, I knew about. Just never figured something like that would happen at Chrysler...
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Nope, IRS. Hot Rod did a Dana 60 centersection and CV axle up grade to one this month.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Quite

The Nissan GTR with 545 hp, large tires all around, launch control and 4 wheel drive can hit the 1/4 mile in 10.8.

I doubt a Dodge Challenger even with a supercharger is going to be able to hit 10.99 or less
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While I don't like it, the GTR is a very impressive car. Lighter weight. Low gearing. VERY fast.
 
specklebang said:
10% of your last years income. I think this is a European concept but I can't remember which country.
or
12 hours in stocks with no food or water. You'll live but you won't speed again.
or
one lash of a cane (Singapore style). You'll live but you won't speed again.
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Hatred and extremism have no business in justice...
We do need better driver training, and a better people...
In other words, I am only groping as to a fitting and proper punishment.
 
DVSentinel said:
So the Nissan GTR is over twice the price of the Challenger. With the over 50K difference in price, it would be very easy to spend say 10k for a twin turbo and the nissan will never get near it. A 7 psi supercharger adds over 160 hp, witch pushes it much higher than the GTR. Again, less than 10K.

A fairer comparison cost wise would be a Corvette ZR1, witch, depending on source runs either a 11.0 or a 10.89 1/4 mile and has been tested on skid pad up to 1.13g while a stock GRT is at 1.01 (nissan claims 1.12 but testing elsewhere doesn't get close to that).

The only real advantage of the GTR is all-wheel-drive.

In the end, "there ain't no replacement for displacement"
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It is the traction I am mainly discussing.

The GTR has all wheel drive, larger tires, and launch control. It is among the fastest accelerating production cars on earth. I like the challenger, but it I doubt has the traction without some serious drag modifications like the Copo Camaro to be able to hit the 1/4 at less then 11 sec
 
Lutherf said:
I once passed a cop south of Albuquerque going "P". The needle on my speedometer had passed the limit and was facing the bottom where it said MPH. He never moved off the median.
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Maybe this is the best law enforcement response.
 
DVSentinel said:
So the Nissan GTR is over twice the price of the Challenger. With the over 50K difference in price, it would be very easy to spend say 10k for a twin turbo and the nissan will never get near it. A 7 psi supercharger adds over 160 hp, witch pushes it much higher than the GTR. Again, less than 10K.

A fairer comparison cost wise would be a Corvette ZR1, witch, depending on source runs either a 11.0 or a 10.89 1/4 mile and has been tested on skid pad up to 1.13g while a stock GRT is at 1.01 (nissan claims 1.12 but testing elsewhere doesn't get close to that).

The only real advantage of the GTR is all-wheel-drive.

In the end, "there ain't no replacement for displacement"
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The big "con" manufacturers are pulling is always speaking of "horsepower" of their cars, which for new cars just keeps going up, up, up. Sounds impressive. But there are a few things they aren't telling you.
1. That is motor horsepower.
2. That is with the computer set in "dyno mode," not how it is set up to drive. The computer is limiting horsepower and torque.
3. Most significantly, they don't breathe a word about "torque." Horsepower certainly is about all that matters in a 950 pound F1 race car with the aerodynamics of a jet fighter. But for 3000+ pound street cars it is TORQUE.

Back in the muscle car era, sometimes tests were done such as the L68 high torque, lower horsepower GM 427 versus the high rpm L88. For heavier cars, the L68 was faster.

It takes TORQUE to move weight. While maximum dyno horsepower of cars is going up rapidly, that is only if computer limitations are turned off and does not account for the lower torque of smaller motors.

Big displacement motors have one inherent advantage - they make more torque. It is torque that moves weight.

The advantage of "pony cars" (Challenger, Mustang, Camero) is those basic motors have been built for years and years and by the millions. The same for a Vette motor of course. They also are relatively "crude" designs easy to modify with a layout suited for it. Accordingly, there are the most performance modification parts and at the lowest prices for them. American made V8s always win the benefits-for-the-dollar performance upgrading contest.
 
KevinKohler said:
Eh, when you're dealing with the level of power need to get trap speeds in the 150mph range, some pretty knarrly, scary **** can happen...quickly. My friends rustang was well set up by both of us, and another friend who built drag cars for a living. And that thing was a handful, and always will be. I've also driven a ZR1, to be more on topic, and that car is hell on wheels, if you try to go fast in it. It requires complete focus and concentration, 100% of the time, or the rear comes out on you.
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Yeeeaaa, I delt with that kind of power for 20 years in a Pro Street Monte SS and never got close to the wall.
But it was pro built chassis using all Chassis Engineering products. Tuned the suspension for track conditions every night at the track. Never just unloaded and started making passes.
I also know guys that "build race cars" for a living that I wouldnt let change the spark plugs in my mower. In fact the only person I knew up in that area that I would trust was Leo Barnaby. But he died couple years ago. I think his brother is still building cars.
I hear all the time on Yellow Bullet about guys that send their cars to "chassis jail" and a year later get back junk that needs to be all cut out and redone.
Cars that cant pass inspection, welds that dont go all the way around the tubing, sub standard steel, cars that were built on ply wood and cinder blocks.
Mine was built on a frame jig. I was there for every step and because the shop owner is a friend of mine, I was elbow deep in it every inch of the way.
I would never just drop a car off and say call me when its done. Those are the guys that get cars that dont go straight, wont hook and dont know how to adjust their suspensions at the track.
Not bashing your buddy, but wrecking your car twice tells me there is some serious driver error going on in thier driver skill or builder skill.
 
joko104 said:
There are many, many areas where open, divided highway is common. There are NO "closed courses" that allow a production car as-is to drive at such speeds.

One reason I posted to poll is to explore just how much American culture has changed toward radical control, intense fear, an endless demand for more severe punishments, and endlessly filling more prison cells. Your "OMG!!! Going over 100?!!!!" is an example. A ZR1 can more safely go 120 than most small SUVs can go 70. ZR1s don't roll over if they have a blowout at 120, since they have run-flat tires.

In the situation I gave, the only person endangered was the driver.

Do you think if a person is caught driving while high on pot or drunk the person should never be allowed to drive again, car seized and jail time? That does definitely endangers others.
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A study is needed..
Punishment must be effective.
I do not think brutality and extremism are effective.
I have few qualms with stretching the law.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Yeeeaaa, I delt with that kind of power for 20 years in a Pro Street Monte SS and never got close to the wall.
But it was pro built chassis using all Chassis Engineering products. Tuned the suspension for track conditions every night at the track. Never just unloaded and started making passes.
I also know guys that "build race cars" for a living that I wouldnt let change the spark plugs in my mower. In fact the only person I knew up in that area that I would trust was Leo Barnaby. But he died couple years ago. I think his brother is still building cars.
I hear all the time on Yellow Bullet about guys that send their cars to "chassis jail" and a year later get back junk that needs to be all cut out and redone.
Cars that cant pass inspection, welds that dont go all the way around the tubing, sub standard steel, cars that were built on ply wood and cinder blocks.
Mine was built on a frame jig. I was there for every step and because the shop owner is a friend of mine, I was elbow deep in it every inch of the way.
I would never just drop a car off and say call me when its done. Those are the guys that get cars that dont go straight, wont hook and dont know how to adjust their suspensions at the track.
Not bashing your buddy, but wrecking your car twice tells me there is some serious driver error going on in thier driver skill or builder skill.
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I've never wrecked a car at the track. I'm just saying that some weird things can happen once you introduce more power and traction to any given car equation.
 
KevinKohler said:
Eh, when you're dealing with the level of power need to get trap speeds in the 150mph range, some pretty knarrly, scary **** can happen...quickly. My friends rustang was well set up by both of us, and another friend who built drag cars for a living. And that thing was a handful, and always will be. I've also driven a ZR1, to be more on topic, and that car is hell on wheels, if you try to go fast in it. It requires complete focus and concentration, 100% of the time, or the rear comes out on you.
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The ZR1 is a very fast car. It is "primitive" in terms of suspension, handling compared to state-of-the-art, but for the price (particularly used), they are an exceptionally good deal. And I don't like Vettes. I can't deny their bang-for-the-buck and low cost ease of performance upgrading.

However, for Vettes the real BANG FOR THE BUCK deal is used late model Z06s.
 
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KevinKohler said:
I've never wrecked a car at the track. I'm just saying that some weird things can happen once you introduce more power and traction to any given car equation.
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Nor do you know what may have been dumped down the track by another car when you start getting into the 9 second range. Particularly IF the car is set up solely for drag racing (meaning not road course too). They get in trouble REAL QUICK when there is a sudden"handling demand" where are road course capable car wouldn't. Also, that the g-force of acceleration does affect the mind, plus a lot of weight can be off the front wheels affecting steering.
 
DVSentinel said:
So the Nissan GTR is over twice the price of the Challenger. With the over 50K difference in price, it would be very easy to spend say 10k for a twin turbo and the nissan will never get near it. A 7 psi supercharger adds over 160 hp, witch pushes it much higher than the GTR. Again, less than 10K.

A fairer comparison cost wise would be a Corvette ZR1, witch, depending on source runs either a 11.0 or a 10.89 1/4 mile and has been tested on skid pad up to 1.13g while a stock GRT is at 1.01 (nissan claims 1.12 but testing elsewhere doesn't get close to that).

The only real advantage of the GTR is all-wheel-drive.

In the end, "there ain't no replacement for displacement"
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It would take buckets of money to get a challenger up to GTR speed around road circuits, which is what the GTR is designed for. Even the ZR1, which, technically, in the hands of a PRO driver, is faster than the GTR, is not "real world faster". It's only faster on perfect Tarmac, with a great driver at the helm. Normal guys, even moderately skilled guys, which I consider myself to be, have their hands full with the ZR1. I drove that car 10 laps round Lime Rock, and I was fighting for controlled exit speed. I have no doubt that after 10 laps in the GTR, I would consistently post quicker lap times. Mahican is amazing. The GTR is a whale. And makes less power. On paper, it's not even in the same league as the ZR1. But that's the huge advantage of a great AWD system. Me? I still prefer RWD. Probably always will. But the GTR is a glimpse of the future, and that future is AWD.
 
joko104 said:
The ZR1 is a very fast car. It is "primitive" in terms of suspension, handling compared to state-of-the-art, but for the price (particularly used), they are an exceptionally good deal. And I don't like Vettes. I can't deny their bang-for-the-buck and low cost ease of performance upgrading.

However, for Vettes the real BANG FOR THE BUCK deal is used late model Z06s.
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Primitive or not, I'll take starting at 1.13 g lateral anyday.
 
KevinKohler said:
I've never wrecked a car at the track. I'm just saying that some weird things can happen once you introduce more power and traction to any given car equation.
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You know how most guys end up in the wall?
The car gets loose and they lift, the suspension unloads, but they nail the throttle thinking "hey its straightend up" break the tires loose rear wants to come around, they correct and the front gets pushed into the wall.
Aborting a run must become second nature in drag racing if something goes wrong. I have seen very few guys able to pedal a car just right to keep it going.
 
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