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What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

What should happen for the over 20mph violation example given?

  • Acknowledge the no-traffic and quality of vehicle in consideration.

    Votes: 3 5.6%
  • Severe chastizing but only written warning.

    Votes: 2 3.7%
  • A ticket, but written for under 20 over due to circumstance.

    Votes: 2 3.7%
  • Write a ticket for over 20 mph but under 100 mph

    Votes: 2 3.7%
  • Write a ticket forthe full 170 mph

    Votes: 21 38.9%
  • A huge $$ fine

    Votes: 10 18.5%
  • Permanently seize car and forfeture it.

    Votes: 3 5.6%
  • Jail time

    Votes: 3 5.6%
  • Suspend driver's license for 1 year

    Votes: 7 13.0%
  • Suspend driver's license for years.

    Votes: 1 1.9%

  • Total voters
    54
What does killing someone with drunk driving get you usually in the U.S.?

some states not much, others substantial time. In KY a drunk driver in 1989 or so ran into a school bus coming back from an amusement park about 75 miles away and killed more than a dozen kids who died when the ensuing fire caused cushions in the bus seats to emit toxic fumes. I think he did about a year for each kid he killed.

on the other hand, many years ago a guy tried to kill himself and deliberately drove his station wagon the wrong way on an interstate near my home. Two girls I grew up with were in the back seat of their parents' Porsche-the vehicle the nutcase slammed into. The parents died, the girls survived as did the suicidal whacko. He only got a couple years. vehicular homicide due to DWI is getting more and more time lately
 
The Belgians and Germans have it figured out, we need higher speed limits or none at all.

Exactly. A 70 mph speed limit is simply pitiful. It's completely arbitrary, and only really serves to encourage average citizens to treat the law with contempt.

Basically the only reason most speed limit laws exist in the first place is to placate busybodies who get their panties in a snit whenever someone drives faster than they do, and serve as a covert form of taxation to bring in revenue for state and city governments. It's an archaic set up, and should really be changed.
 
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some states not much, others substantial time. In KY a drunk driver in 1989 or so ran into a school bus coming back from an amusement park about 75 miles away and killed more than a dozen kids who died when the ensuing fire caused cushions in the bus seats to emit toxic fumes. I think he did about a year for each kid he killed.

on the other hand, many years ago a guy tried to kill himself and deliberately drove his station wagon the wrong way on an interstate near my home. Two girls I grew up with were in the back seat of their parents' Porsche-the vehicle the nutcase slammed into. The parents died, the girls survived as did the suicidal whacko. He only got a couple years. vehicular homicide due to DWI is getting more and more time lately

There was a case here last year I think and he ended up killing a teenager and that got him life imprisonment. Drunk driving is taken rather seriously here for the most part, the U.S. seems to be more lax then.
 
Exactly. A 70 mph speed limit is simply pitiful. It's completely arbitrary, and only really serves to encourage average citizens to treat the law with contempt.

Basically the only reason most speed limit laws exist in the first place to placate busybodies who get their panties in a snit whenever someone drives faster than they do, and serve as a covert form of taxation to bring in revenue for state and city governments. It's an archaic set up, and should really be changed.

My cousin was driving me to Amsterdam through Germany and we were going 220km/h (136mp/h) down one of the autobahns well until we hit the Netherlands where it went down to 100kp/h (60mp/h) and everything went well so I don't see the issue. In Belgium the speed limit is usually 130km/h (80mp/h) on highways but even then most people go much faster.
 
There was a case here last year I think and he ended up killing a teenager and that got him life imprisonment. Drunk driving is taken rather seriously here for the most part, the U.S. seems to be more lax then.

its been treated more seriously

same civilly

the local TGIF franchise had a store in KY. The bartender served someone who some say was impaired before he got the last drink. others say it was a gray area but nevertheless TGIF settled a suit for 21 MILLION

as a side note I believe the drunk driver was completely responsible and I have problems with what I call deep pocket
lawsuits


http://www.apnewsarchive.com/2003/T-G-I-Friday-s-OKs-$21M-DUI-Settlement/id-12d326837c8d9f58276280eb6dd6e7c9
 
My cousin was driving me to Amsterdam through Germany and we were going 220km/h (136mp/h) down one of the autobahns well until we hit the Netherlands where it went down to 100kp/h (60mp/h) and everything went well so I don't see the issue. In Belgium the speed limit is usually 130km/h (80mp/h) on highways but even then most people go much faster.

I drove from Heidelberg to Munich for Oktoberfest back in 2011. I had to have been going at least 110-120 mph the whole way there, and there were still guys in BMWs blowing past me at significantly higher speeds.

I would've gone faster, but unfortunately my crappy rental SUV couldn't handle it. :lol:
 
I drove from Heidelberg to Munich for Oktoberfest back in 2011. I had to have been going at least 120 mph the whole way there, and there were still guys in BMWs blowing past me at significantly higher speeds.

I would've gone faster, but unfortunately my crappy rental SUV couldn't handle it. :lol:

The closer to Munich you get the faster the cars are, I would love to take a top of the line Mercedes and see how fast I could truly go.
 
Say some traffic crime results in death. Do we give everyone a freebie?

Because they got lucky.

The gal who hit us at high speed didn't cause a fatality because I did not slam on the brakes. I told the officer that I think I tried, but the impact moved my foot away from the pedal. He said it was a natural, but harmful response. If I had, my son and I would have been in a major spin into oncoming traffic on a five lane major freeway. Read DEAD.

The officer was scratching his head in awe that there were no fatalities.

I probably should not personalize it, but it is hard not to. It is a privilege to drive, not a right. You give passes for minor infractions, driving over 100 is far from minor.
 
uh yeah, I realize you haven't been around for more than a few days but obviously. and the penalties are very different for different outcomes even if the mens rea is the same.

LOL,,,,I've been around,,,,,just not here. You flatter me with the welcome wagon reception,,,,,where's my basket? lol
 
"I probably should not personalize it, but it is hard not to. It is a privilege to drive, not a right. You give passes for minor infractions, driving over 100 is far from minor."

A Cop will get into trouble giving passes on Property damage T/A's,,,,,especially those with injury.
 
Ticket for the full 170mph, mandatory court appearance, possible suspension of license.

Yep! Lots of points off the DL with that one for sure! Plussssss when the Judge get's done,,,Insurance will be much higher,,bad deal all around for the heavy foot.
 
Yep! Lots of points off the DL with that one for sure! Plussssss when the Judge get's done,,,Insurance will be much higher,,bad deal all around for the heavy foot.


I get a lead foot every once in a while, but 80 in a 70 ain't as bad as 170 anywhere outside of a race track.
 
I've driven over 150mph in my car testing it out, but I knew it was against the law. If I had been pulled over, I'd have take the ticket without complaint just as I'd expect someone else to, though I think jail and/impounding the car is overkill.

I think our speed limits here can be very stupid at times, plenty of long straight-a-ways here in Alabama with 55mph speed limit (which I find ludicrous) and I drove 150+ all the time when I lived in Germany (never had an accident or even a close call) so I think our speed limits are a bit too slow.
 
I frankly don't really believe in speed limits as a general concept. The Germans, for instance, get by mostly without them. There's really no damn reason whatsoever why I shouldn't be able to drive 100 mph on a wide open well paved road in the middle of nowhere if I feel like I can handle it.

Common misconception about Germany. SOME parts of the autobahn have no speed limit. Some parts have a 130 KPH limit. ALL secondary roads have posted speed limits. IIRC the police enforce the speed limits rather harshly, they don't have a '5mph over is ok' cushion.

It is far more accurate to say in Germany parts of their super highway systems allow for whatever speed the driver feels he can handle but most of the road network has enforced speed limits.
 
Massive fine and temporary loss of license. Any other similar violations would be permanent loss of license.

That kind of driving is incredibly reckless and is a real good way to get people killed. If you can't handle the temptation to drive that fast, don't buy a car that can go that fast.
 
There's really no damn reason whatsoever why I shouldn't be able to drive 100 mph on a wide open well paved road in the middle of nowhere if I feel like I can handle it.

Actually, there's a very good reason. Just because you (a general you, not singling you out) think you can handle it doesn't mean you actually can. Most people think they're better drivers than they actually are.

I'm not opposed to higher speed limits (or no speed limits) in some rural areas with not much traffic, but I wouldn't support no speed limits at all.
 
There are many, many areas where open, divided highway is common. There are NO "closed courses" that allow a production car as-is to drive at such speeds.

One reason I posted to poll is to explore just how much American culture has changed towards radical control, intense fear, an endless demand for more severe punishments, and endlessly filling more prison cells. Your "OMG!!! Going over 100?!!!!" is an example. A ZR1 can more safely go 120 than most small SUVs can go 70. ZR1s don't roll over if they have a blowout at 120, since they have run-flat tires.

In the situation I gave, the only person endangered was the driver.

Do you think if a person is caught driving while high on pot or drunk the person should never be allowed to drive again, car seized and jail time? That does definitely endangers others.

a car being able to handle certain speeds does not mean the driver can, nor does it excuse that level of reckless disregard. It a public road. People do not expect another driver to be barreling down the road , without emergency lighting, going anywhere near that speed
 
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What should happen is absolutely nothing, the same time anyone is committing the "crime" of speeding.
 
What should happen is absolutely nothing, the same time anyone is committing the "crime" of speeding.
Interesting. There isn't a single scenario in which speeding should be punishable in your eyes? School zones perhaps? Residential neighborhoods?
 
A highway patrol car on a good condition 4 lane divided highway with a 70 mph speed limit, no other cars on the highway in a remote area picks up a sole car doing 170 mph heading his way on the other side empty and flat open area 2 lanes. A new Corette ZR 1 designed to go 200 mph. When the officer pulls across the center medium, the ZR1 driver (no passenger) pulls over anticipating being stopped. What should the officer do and what should the penalty be? Multiple choice, public vote.
Wow, I expected a 20mph story instead it's 100mph over. BIG diff. Throw the book at him, impound his car. If he/she wants to rev it up, and can afford a car like that, they can afford to lease a racetrack for the afternoon or evening. Stay off the f'ing roads, just cuz it appears clear, doesn't mean it'll stay that way. Things have a way of not being controlled except in controlled circumstances, like a racetrack.
 
There are many, many areas where open, divided highway is common. There are NO "closed courses" that allow a production car as-is to drive at such speeds. One reason I posted to poll is to explore just how much American culture has changed towards radical control, intense fear, an endless demand for more severe punishments, and endlessly filling more prison cells. Your "OMG!!! Going over 100?!!!!" is an example. A ZR1 can more safely go 120 than most small SUVs can go 70. ZR1s don't roll over if they have a blowout at 120, since they have run-flat tires. In the situation I gave, the only person endangered was the driver. Do you think if a person is caught driving while high on pot or drunk the person should never be allowed to drive again, car seized and jail time? That does definitely endangers others.
As to that last remark... the only likely to happen with a person smoking pot and only smoking pot, is that they'll be going too slow, not usually an endangering problem. Stoners get light feet not heavy feet. So even though I agree they'll make mistakes, they'll be doing it in slower motion and likely to cause less harm than any sober mistake at 170mph or even 100mph.

If you want a controlled situation, lease a racetrack for an hour or two. That's what they are for, racetracks, not public roads. That's the only way to guarantee the driver is the only one hurt.
 
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Interesting. There isn't a single scenario in which speeding should be punishable in your eyes? School zones perhaps? Residential neighborhoods?

I think most people wouldn't like the criminal and civil liability that comes along with vehicular manslaughter.

On the other hand, I'm unfond of any law that penalizes those who have not harmed others. If you hit someone or something with your car, that's harming others because you couldn't control your vehicle.
 
I think most people wouldn't like the criminal and civil liability that comes along with vehicular manslaughter.

On the other hand, I'm unfond of any law that penalizes those who have not harmed others. If you hit someone or something with your car, that's harming others because you couldn't control your vehicle.
I think most people wouldn't like the criminal and civilly liable death that comes to their loved one during vehicular manslaughter.

And I somewhat agree with the idea that perhaps tickets should be issued when problems arise and not just because of speed, within some limits, because we all know that we all do, and our streets in front of our houses are rife with folks safely going over speed limit, but we also know that at certain speeds, those cars going by the house are way too fast for the possible activities of the neighborhood, so that would have to be determined. Probably more leeway on highways, less in residental, and some where in between for these 7 widers that go past huge industrial districts with limited access and few cross streets, etc. So I do agree with this and have thought about it often before.
 
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